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There was that Ole Miss OT the year we got Schwartz i think, a lot of people wanted him in the 2nd, if not at 22..
He ended up falling all the way to like the 5th round.. never to be heard from again..
*googles* Bobbie Massie was his name, went in the 4th and has apparently been starting for Arizona.. interesting.. Haha I remember that...I think he struggled in 2013 at RT...he became better last year (not sure if he stayed at RT or what) Yeah every year there's guys who slide far...in 2012 everyone saying TRich is the best back since AP and the surest thing in the draft...I kept mocking Lamar Miller to the Browns in round 2...He went early in round 4...and became a far better back lol odd how it works...and EKKk I wanted Blackmon that year  Funny because I think I'd still take Blackmon and his suspensions over Trich lol You remember a lot of talking about RB Chris Polk from Washington as a round 2 or 3 possibility? And that same draft I think he went round 7 or UDFA to the Eagles...odd how draft day ends I always thought the Browns need a nasty RT...if we can find a tough SOB in the mold of Jon Runyan I'd be happy for the next 10 years 
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And I remember when people talked up Oklahoma State RT Levy Adcock as a round 2-3 pick? I don't even think he got drafted and I don't even think he's on anyone's PS...I remember those board days lol
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Hello again everybody, the Buffalo Pills have Matt Cosell and we don't....... 
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Hello again everybody, the Buffalo Pills have Matt Cosell and we don't....... But can he play QB? http://noisetrade.com/mattcossel/a-lonely-road 
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I was going to ask if that was Howard's grandkid or something?
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I was going to ask if that was Howard's grandkid or something? That's hilarious Y. I was thinking of old Howard when I posted that, but there really is a Matt Cosell...
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We need someone to pick for us that can accurately gauge how a player will actually perform over his career.
We need to be able to forsee whether a player will get seriously injured and for how long.
We need to look ahead and know if he will be a team player who works with players around him.
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If God were our GM, we wouldn't need players. 
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If God were our GM, we wouldn't need players. Yes we would, God worked through the people. And if the Bible is any indicator, God would select a bunch of 140 pound weaklings and use them to beat everybody by 40 points. 
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#12 - Danny Shelton NT/Washington.
(If he's gone I'm taking DeVante Parker WR/Louisville).
#19 - Ereck Flowers OT/Miami
(If he's gone, I'm taking Bud Dupree OLB/Kentucky).
2nd Round - Jaelen Strong WR/Arizona State
(If he's gone, I'm taking Danny Goldman DT/Florida State).
3rd Round - Clive Warford TE/Miami
(If he's gone, I'm taking Nick O'Leary TE/Florida State).
4th Round - Shane Carden QB/ECU
4th Round - Stefan Diggs KR/Maryland
5th Round - Jaleston Fowler FB/Maryland
6th Round - Michael Dyer RB/Louisville
6th Round - Austin Hill WR/Arizona
7th Round - Sam Ficken K/Penn State
In my own opinion, the absolute only way we're going to be competitive in 2015 is if we can be a force running the football, and if we can stop the run on defense. That's why I think we should go OT and DT in the first round. Not sexy picks by any means, but make no mistake, they're both NEEDS.
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I like it, with a few tweeks. I prefer Grayson/Petty over Carden and would use the 3rd to get one of them. O'Leary should be there in the 4th. I also think the 5th is 1 round too early for Fowler.
If you got Shelton and don't get Strong, I recommend Green-Beckham.
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I like it, with a few tweeks. I prefer Grayson/Petty over Carden and would use the 3rd to get one of them. O'Leary should be there in the 4th. I also think the 5th is 1 round too early for Fowler.
If you got Shelton and don't get Strong, I recommend Green-Beckham. Very highly doubt we roll the dice on another WR with lots of baggage such as Green-Beckham. Gordon has burned this franchise one to many times for that to happen again....just my two cents.
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I only take Green-Beckham if he agrees to literally live at the facility in Berea.
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Haven't done one yet so I'll take a kick. Disclaimers in brackets
1A- Whoever is left of WRs Parker, White or Cooper. One will be there.
1B- Eddie Goldman, Florida State DT.Legit nose tackle to make the defence work. I think this is a tough spot to draft in but I figure taking a NT prospect here is likely the safest prospect. If someone drops to make it value here, I'd take it or, if I get an offer to trade up, I also take it.
2- Eric Kendricks UCLA ILB- Tough call on going ILB or Guard here. Love the Robertson hustle but we can improve here. Kendrinks and Kirksey become ILB pairing for future.
3- Josue Mathias, Florida State, G- Improves depth on offensive line (has played tackle as well.) Pushes Greco for starting spot.
4a- Jesse James, Penn State, TE- Physical freak who might not have eye popping stats in college but will create mismatches all over the place. Tore up the combine. Depending on how many tight ends are drafted in the first and second, I might go with him in the third.
(IF Bryce Petty is available here, I grab him for value. But QBs are always overdrafted so I doubt he will be)
4b- Chris Conley, Georgia, WR- Given that its a strong WR class, there will be some mean bargains around this point. I really like Conley....disgusting amount of potential that wasn't showcased in a run first offense.
5- Jermauria Rasco, LSU, OLB (converted)- Former college DE to convert. SEC defense so some pedigree there. Depth with fingers crossed.
6- Jermaine Whitehead, Clemson, S- Good measureables but character concerns. But really, who do we have as safety depth?
6- Trey Williams, Texas AM, RB- Speed back/scat back type. Gives us something a little different and has returner possibilities.
7- Whoever the top ranked kicker on the board is. No more Cundiff.
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I only take Green-Beckham if he agrees to literally live at the facility in Berea. +1 No doubt he's talented, but I heard on ESPN radio a few weeks ago (I think on Mike & Mike) they talked about DGB, apparently an NFL scout spoke with a former coach of his at Missouri and said he had absolutely no football I.Q. and was lost a lot of his time on the field.
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4b- Chris Conley, Georgia, WR- Given that its a strong WR class, there will be some mean bargains around this point. I really like Conley....disgusting amount of potential that wasn't showcased in a run first offense. I keep forgetting about Conley, good call.
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Haven't done one yet so I'll take a kick. Disclaimers in brackets
1A- Whoever is left of WRs Parker, White or Cooper. One will be there.
1B- Eddie Goldman, Florida State DT.Legit nose tackle to make the defence work. I think this is a tough spot to draft in but I figure taking a NT prospect here is likely the safest prospect. If someone drops to make it value here, I'd take it or, if I get an offer to trade up, I also take it.
2- Eric Kendricks UCLA ILB- Tough call on going ILB or Guard here. Love the Robertson hustle but we can improve here. Kendrinks and Kirksey become ILB pairing for future.
3- Josue Mathias, Florida State, G- Improves depth on offensive line (has played tackle as well.) Pushes Greco for starting spot.
4a- Jesse James, Penn State, TE- Physical freak who might not have eye popping stats in college but will create mismatches all over the place. Tore up the combine. Depending on how many tight ends are drafted in the first and second, I might go with him in the third.
(IF Bryce Petty is available here, I grab him for value. But QBs are always overdrafted so I doubt he will be)
4b- Chris Conley, Georgia, WR- Given that its a strong WR class, there will be some mean bargains around this point. I really like Conley....disgusting amount of potential that wasn't showcased in a run first offense.
5- Jermauria Rasco, LSU, OLB (converted)- Former college DE to convert. SEC defense so some pedigree there. Depth with fingers crossed.
6- Jermaine Whitehead, Clemson, S- Good measureables but character concerns. But really, who do we have as safety depth?
6- Trey Williams, Texas AM, RB- Speed back/scat back type. Gives us something a little different and has returner possibilities.
7- Whoever the top ranked kicker on the board is. No more Cundiff. I like thjis draft Really like Kendricks, I believe in this scheme we need to upgrade ILB Only tweak is the at 6 I take the FB from Alabama
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I would not be happy if we took Kendricks in the second round. We basically play one inside linebacker for the majority of the snaps with either Kirksey or Robertson coming out/on for sub packages.
Kendricks, while adequate in coverage, should not play over Dansby, Kirksey, or Robertson in passing situations.
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I would not be happy if we took Kendricks in the second round. We basically play one inside linebacker for the majority of the snaps with either Kirksey or Robertson coming out/on for sub packages.
Kendricks, while adequate in coverage, should not play over Dansby, Kirksey, or Robertson in passing situations. Agreed...We have more pressing needs in round 2 than a ILB that will start the season as #4 ILB
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I understand your logic on the ILB position and Kendricks. I worry that we'll be thin when Dansby can't go anymore or more immediately when we are getting gashed in the run game because guys can't get a blow. Carder is a special teams player the ILB draft options are already weak so I also understand why guys want some depth there and feel it has to be done early to get a decent player. After Kendricks, McKinney, Perryman and Anthony there is a huge talent drop at ILB.
If and that's a mighty big word, our DL is better than many fans think (I've recently come around to that point of view) then the next area to shore up to improve the run stopping and pass rush are the Linebackers.
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Inside linebacker is among the easiest positions to fill. Especially the big run stuffing guys, those guys are easily found at the end of the draft and in free agency. With the way teams sub in and out linebackers guys who can cover are not as valuable as they used to be. Guys like Brandon Spikes are always floating around in free agency for very cheap money.
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I think you and I have an honest difference of opinion. You say ILBs are easy to find. I say if the team has evaluated the position to need more help (I don't know that) and needs aren't pressing elsewhere then address the position by adding the best candidates. You mention Spikes. His reputation is being a two down run stopper. Those are the kind of guys that are easy to find. But they are a liability in a league where defending the pass as well as the run is at a premium. In part, that's why we brought in Dansby to replace Jackson even at Dansby's advanced age his coverage ability was highly valued.
This is why Green Bay moved Mathews into the middle last season because they needed his complete tool set inside. The Packers long-term answer there won't be a Spikes type player. Even a 4-3 team like San Francisco; the loss of their interior Linebaking unit is going to severely damage that defense and they'll have difficulty finding comparable replacements because the good ones are coveted and not easily available.
Understand, I'm not saying that ILB is the premiere position of a modern defense. I am saying the tools necessary to play the position exceptionally won't be found late in the draft or in a street-level free agent.
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Understand, I'm not saying that ILB is the premiere position of a modern defense. I am saying the tools necessary to play the position exceptionally won't be found late in the draft or in a street-level free agent. You're not on average going to find someone "exceptional" in the 2nd round either.. Patrick Willis went in the Top 10. DeMeco Ryans and D'Qwell Jackson went in the 2nd round..
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I agree with you. I just don't think resources should be spent when you could just have three cheap guys do the job of one expensive, by way of sub packages.
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Round 1 Pick 12: Vic Beasley, OLB, Clemson
***TRADED Pick 19 to DAL for Pick 27, 2nd Round pick and 3rd round pick***
Round 1 Pick 27 (DAL): Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona State
Round 2 Pick 11: Jordan Phillips, DT, Oklahoma
Round 2 Pick 28 (DAL): Devin Funchess, WR/TE, Michigan
Round 3 Pick 13: Benardrick McKinney, ILB, Mississippi State
Round 3 Pick 27 (DAL): Gerod Holliman, FS, Louisville
Round 4 Pick 12: B.J. Finney, C, Kansas State
Round 4 Pick 16: Cedric Ogbuehi, OT, Texas A&M
Round 5 Pick 11: Jalston Fowler, FB, Alabama
Round 6 Pick 13: Sean Mannion, QB, Oregon State
Round 6 Pick 26: Chris Conley, WR, Georgia
Round 7 Pick 12: Kyle Brindza, K, Notre Dame
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You won't likely get a 2nd AND a 3rd for dropping from 19 to 27... Unless someone is desperate..
But at least you took The Giant Fullback From Alabama™
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I would not be happy if we took Kendricks in the second round. We basically play one inside linebacker for the majority of the snaps with either Kirksey or Robertson coming out/on for sub packages.
Kendricks, while adequate in coverage, should not play over Dansby, Kirksey, or Robertson in passing situations. Given our porous run defence, especially right up the gut, I disagree. We need someone to make the play on the RB. I like Robertson but think we can do better there and Dansby won't play forever. IF you're not big on going ILB here, where would you go?
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I would not be happy if we took Kendricks in the second round. We basically play one inside linebacker for the majority of the snaps with either Kirksey or Robertson coming out/on for sub packages.
Kendricks, while adequate in coverage, should not play over Dansby, Kirksey, or Robertson in passing situations. Given our porous run defence, especially right up the gut, I disagree. We need someone to make the play on the RB. I like Robertson but think we can do better there and Dansby won't play forever. IF you're not big on going ILB here, where would you go? Our 2nd rounder obviously depends on what happens in the first.. But i would be fine going TE(Williams if he's there) WR, or possibly if a DL falls, or maybe Cameron Erving (OL) if he makes it there would be a solid pick..
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I would not be happy if we took Kendricks in the second round. We basically play one inside linebacker for the majority of the snaps with either Kirksey or Robertson coming out/on for sub packages.
Kendricks, while adequate in coverage, should not play over Dansby, Kirksey, or Robertson in passing situations. Given our porous run defence, especially right up the gut, I disagree. We need someone to make the play on the RB. I like Robertson but think we can do better there and Dansby won't play forever. IF you're not big on going ILB here, where would you go? We could use another inside linebacker, but I prefer a run stopping specialist over overdrafting Kendricks in the second round. With our second round pick I would love Nelson Agholor or Maxx Williams.
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TE....I can potentially see it if Williams falls. I'd be fine with that.
DL...If we already grabbed one in the first, why go back? Yeah we rotate but the rotation is already starting to look pretty good if we've already added one of the top DTs.
Not fine with that.
WR...There's so much depth at WR in this draft, why invest another one so early if we've gone WR in the first? Not fine with that.
Would you reverse the 2nd and 3rd as I noted...going OL 2nd round and potentially ILB in 3rd?
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I would not be happy if we took Kendricks in the second round. We basically play one inside linebacker for the majority of the snaps with either Kirksey or Robertson coming out/on for sub packages.
Kendricks, while adequate in coverage, should not play over Dansby, Kirksey, or Robertson in passing situations. Given our porous run defence, especially right up the gut, I disagree. We need someone to make the play on the RB. I like Robertson but think we can do better there and Dansby won't play forever. IF you're not big on going ILB here, where would you go? We could use another inside linebacker, but I prefer a run stopping specialist over overdrafting Kendricks in the second round. With our second round pick I would love Nelson Agholor or Maxx Williams. What's your thoughts on ILB Denzel Perryman? He's a thumper.
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I would not be happy if we took Kendricks in the second round. We basically play one inside linebacker for the majority of the snaps with either Kirksey or Robertson coming out/on for sub packages.
Kendricks, while adequate in coverage, should not play over Dansby, Kirksey, or Robertson in passing situations. Given our porous run defence, especially right up the gut, I disagree. We need someone to make the play on the RB. I like Robertson but think we can do better there and Dansby won't play forever. IF you're not big on going ILB here, where would you go? We could use another inside linebacker, but I prefer a run stopping specialist over overdrafting Kendricks in the second round. With our second round pick I would love Nelson Agholor or Maxx Williams. What's your thoughts on ILB Denzel Perryman? He's a thumper. I don't know much about him. Tell me about him.
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I would not be happy if we took Kendricks in the second round. We basically play one inside linebacker for the majority of the snaps with either Kirksey or Robertson coming out/on for sub packages.
Kendricks, while adequate in coverage, should not play over Dansby, Kirksey, or Robertson in passing situations. Given our porous run defence, especially right up the gut, I disagree. We need someone to make the play on the RB. I like Robertson but think we can do better there and Dansby won't play forever. IF you're not big on going ILB here, where would you go? We could use another inside linebacker, but I prefer a run stopping specialist over overdrafting Kendricks in the second round. With our second round pick I would love Nelson Agholor or Maxx Williams. What's your thoughts on ILB Denzel Perryman? He's a thumper. I don't know much about him. Tell me about him. Plays slow as molasses and doesn't have the recognition skills to make up for it, but when he hits a guy, 50/50 shot either the ball or his helmet is popping out. He's real small, but he's a big time hitter. I'd easily take Anthony over him. JMO.
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You're right, my comments were an exaggeration, but I am concerned about how his speed will translate to the game. I've watched a lot of Miami games over the past couple seasons and the first time I saw him I thought I liked him because he makes those flash plays but most of the time he is wiped out of the play or just a non-impact guy. Then I saw him climbing up the pre-draft ranking boards, and people started talking about him going in the first round? It would be completely unprecedented in the modern NFL for a sub 6', slow linebacker to go in the first. I understand that in the context of your question you were looking at our 2nd rounder, but there I'd rather have the guy who I've seen can cover, can blitz, and can fill the hole (referring to Anthony.)
Personally, you say to me "I'm just going to put one of these two guys on your team. No draft pick involved" and I think I'd take his teammate, Armbrister. At least I know he can contribute on special teams.
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This is not a great OLB/ILB class I understand that. Maybe a better option could be found in FA but I don't see one. Probably would have to be somebody that was released by their former team for us to look at them seriously.
If you accept the fact that our intact DL is close to being settled, as I do, then its not a stretch to add depth to the LB corp. I like Steve's assessment of Anthony. I see him as a compliment to the current ILB corp. The issue is that since the ILB class is so thin he'll be off the board by the fifth or sixth round where he would be taken in many other draft classes.
I think the team is however, inclined to find a pass rusher. Either a DE, OLB or a tweener. I've read they like Eli Harold. This is a position that is likely to get an early round consideration. Personally I've become a fan of Preston Smith. He's not a fast twitch edge bender but he has good hand technique, has skills to affect the run game and can kick insider when needed. He has 3-4 OLB size and his 3-cone drill was in the low 7's suggesting that he has some agility and change of direction characteristics in his game. I'd take him with our 2nd.
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