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I agree about getting a reliable fullback. We seem to want a touch running game but don't have a feature fullback. It's a little counter intuitive if you ask me. Hell, we haven't had a FB since Holmgren got rid of Vickers. And yes, I love me some running game.
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I watched the Alabama Ohio State game again and that FB of Bama's is a bruiser, if we want to draft one he is worth a 4th rounder at least ... JMHO 
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I watched the Alabama Ohio State game again and that FB of Bama's is a bruiser, if we want to draft one he is worth a 4th rounder at least ... JMHO Would love to have a legit FB again! I've been disgusted with all we've had since letting Lawrence Vickers go.
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Yea i have a 3rd round grade on a FB, that doesnt happen often lol
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I'm a big fan of Jalston Fowler. If you go on Draft Breakdown and look at some of the 2012 or 2013 video he was also getting some reps at RB. He performed like a RB too. He was a bit smaller at the time. Anyway this guy should be able to perform straight Fullback as well as H-Back duties. I think he has nice hands to bring that skill to an offense. If the team addresses some more pressing needs in free agency then there's room to use a 4th on him.
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I love Jalston Fowler so much. If I was in charge I might trade up with the Buccaneers and draft him with the first overall pick.
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After the signing of McCown it is my belief that the Browns are preparing to go after Marcus Mariota.
It is difficult to tell at this point whether or not the Titans are willing to trade back. Obviously they have to be committed to Mettenberger.
The signing of McCown provides a backup plan on both fronts. Go after and land Mariota or fail and go with Manziel. Under the second scenario they most likely would sign a quarterback like Petty or get another project later.
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After the signing of McCown it is my belief that the Browns are preparing to go after Marcus Mariota.
It is difficult to tell at this point whether or not the Titans are willing to trade back. Obviously they have to be committed to Mettenberger.
The signing of McCown provides a backup plan on both fronts. Go after and land Mariota or fail and go with Manziel. Under the second scenario they most likely would sign a quarterback like Petty or get another project later.
This is also my line of thinking... Morg. noted on another thread all the things we have done to prepare to mentor a young QB.... I am not convinced that young QB is JM ]
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I don't agree w/that bone. I think they are rolling w/Johnny.
I don't want the Browns to go after Mariotta. I think that Farmer and company are clueless when it comes to QBs, but I still don't think they are going after him.
I think they brought in McCown to back-up and mentor Manziel.
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I agree 100% 
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I agree 100% also and what they are doing is o.k. but we should really be looking for another qb just in case JM is not ready.
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I agree 100% also and what they are doing is o.k. but we should really be looking for another qb just in case JM is not ready.
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Very realistic possibility my friend. Maybe we'll get lucky with a pick like that. We sure haven't been up to this point.
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I think that we have our eye on a young backup somewhere in the league, and are going to make a move on draft day to try and get him.
Counting on Johnny makes no sense. He may not even be ready to go come training camp.
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Johnny would make a good back up to Mariota, They both play a similar style so if one went down it would not be a big change as far as the offense is run and we have plenty of cap space.
Would love to see mariota take off right then pass the ball back over to manziel who then launches it down field. That would be so hard to defend IMHO.
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After the signing of McCown it is my belief that the Browns are preparing to go after Marcus Mariota.
It is difficult to tell at this point whether or not the Titans are willing to trade back. Obviously they have to be committed to Mettenberger.
The signing of McCown provides a backup plan on both fronts. Go after and land Mariota or fail and go with Manziel. Under the second scenario they most likely would sign a quarterback like Petty or get another project later.
I think it all comes down to price and that's how it should be. They will determine how much Mariota is worth and if he drops far enough where he crosses their line of value he will be a brown. No QB PROSPECT is worth the farm that RG3 costed aside from Luck. Where that line is none of us will know until draft day or possibly never. I don't believe in the "if he's your guy go get him" mentality. Everyone has a price.
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Counting on Johnny makes no sense. He may not even be ready to go come training camp. At this point, I don't believe either that Manziel is in the picture to start the season...
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Johnny would make a good back up to Mariota, They both play a similar style so if one went down it would not be a big change as far as the offense is run and we have plenty of cap space.
Would love to see mariota take off right then pass the ball back over to manziel who then launches it down field. That would be so hard to defend IMHO. Just my guess....if this team someway/somehow drafts Mariota, Johnny would be on the next flight out of town. If not by the team moving him, then by the Manziel camp absolutely insisting it. To me, that just wouldn't work out.
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Counting on Johnny makes no sense. He may not even be ready to go come training camp. At this point, I don't believe either that Manziel is in the picture to start the season... Why? It seems to me that they are almost handing him the job. What evidence makes you think that Manziel is not in the picture?
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Counting on Johnny makes no sense. He may not even be ready to go come training camp. At this point, I don't believe either that Manziel is in the picture to start the season... Why? It seems to me that they are almost handing him the job. What evidence makes you think that Manziel is not in the picture? I don't have tangible evidence; nobody does at this point for any point of view. However, common sense dictates that Manziel is an unknown at this time, and therefore, how can he be counted on to take the reins at TC? It does seem that the FO is doing what they can to prepare the "way" for him. That is as it should be...
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common sense dictates that Manziel is an unknown at this time, and therefore, how can he be counted on to take the reins at TC?
common sense is all i have. i don't have a football background other than watching my browns and vols every week. i am not well read in football to make me appear knowledgeable on the subject, so all i can use is common sense on the subject.
it is my opinion that we have a fine coaching staff that did a remarkable job their 1st year, knowing that they need to do better this year. which means they have to do better than a 7-9 record. that means they will need to go 9-7 or 10-6 to be mentioned in the wild card next year. i think they fully understand the odds are against that by starting manziel.
now not to derail yet another thread i'm asking anyone ... what positions on the D do we need to draft to stop the run? i don't know why our run D suffered last year and where the week spot was.
this is what i want to address with our 1st few picks.
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The owner loves him. The GM traded up for him and wanted him to start after the bye. The HC sounded like a proud papa and visited him in rehab. Every single move they have made is to prop up Manziel as the starter. E arent giving up on a 1st round pick when he doesnt even have 2 freaking games under his belt.
people dont want him as they considered him threat to Hoyer so we eliminated that threat to Hoyer by replacing Hoyer lol. We will have an open competition between Manziel and McCown and we will probably give Johnny 80 to 90% of the reps. Its a competition but I highly doubt it will be a fair one. Just like last year we were over 2 weeks into camp before we gave Johnny a single first team rep.
Unless Mariotta falls into our lap he wont be drafted by the Browns. I think we are chomping at the bit to move up and get a sliding Williams or Shelton.
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The HC sounded like a proud papa and visited him in rehab.
papa would have visted anyone of the special teamers if they had been in rehab.
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The owner loves him. The GM traded up for him and wanted him to start after the bye. The HC sounded like a proud papa and visited him in rehab. Every single move they have made is to prop up Manziel as the starter. E arent giving up on a 1st round pick when he doesnt even have 2 freaking games under his belt.
people dont want him as they considered him threat to Hoyer so we eliminated that threat to Hoyer by replacing Hoyer lol. We will have an open competition between Manziel and McCown and we will probably give Johnny 80 to 90% of the reps. Its a competition but I highly doubt it will be a fair one. Just like last year we were over 2 weeks into camp before we gave Johnny a single first team rep.
Unless Mariotta falls into our lap he wont be drafted by the Browns. I think we are chomping at the bit to move up and get a sliding Williams or Shelton.
Why do you think it'll be open competition between McCown and Manziel? It is pretty clear to me it's Johnny's to lose. McCown has been in the league for a 100 years. He won't need much prep time in camp to be ready if needed. That is the difference between Hoyer and McCown.
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Totally understand the thought process of rolling with Manziel.
Certainly that could be there thinking. Even before they signed McCown I posted that they would get a guy like him and go with Manziel.
However, the more I thought about it the more I started to think there could well be an alternative plan.
If Manziel had a physical injury that had a predictable return to action time frame and this move was made I say Manziel was their guy.
But under these circumstances I believe that they have to take the approach that Manziel is a non factor. "If" or when he returns they will accept whatever role he can play. Be it first, second, or third string.
If that is their approach (and it should be) then they are going to bring in another guy.
It may be Mariota. It may be someone else. It all depends on how things turn out. They are not in control of the entire process.
If the Titans put the two pick up for bid? I think the Browns will be involved. If they get outbid they will probably look at someone else later in the draft.
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I agree 100% also and what they are doing is o.k. but we should really be looking for another qb just in case JM is not ready. I like how your thinking, except for the UCLA kid. Now Petty on the other hand if he's there in the 3rd rd you get him fast. I don't think he'll be there though>
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now not to derail yet another thread i'm asking anyone ... what positions on the D do we need to draft to stop the run? i don't know why our run D suffered last year and where the week spot was.
this is what i want to address with our 1st few picks. My opinion only, we need shoring up in the middle of the defense. 3 roles need to be addressed. I think a proven NFL NT, a draftee with versatility to play 0,1 or 3 technique (see Interior DL candidates thread in draft forum). And another ILB, at least a two down thumper who has the discipline to make his run fits. For me those players in the order I describe are: 1 Dan Williams or Terrence Knighton 2. Malcom Brown or Eddie Goldman 2 Benardrick McKinney, Denzel Perryman or Eric Kendricks
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I would like to sign Dan Williams as well. You know what you are getting with him, he will do his job (stuff the run) and nothing else. I also think he will be cheaper than Knighton.
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I would like to sign Dan Williams as well. You know what you are getting with him, he will do his job (stuff the run) and nothing else. I also think he will be cheaper than Knighton. And a couple years younger  ...those fattys knees wear thin lol
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I agree 100% also and what they are doing is o.k. but we should really be looking for another qb just in case JM is not ready. I like how your thinking, except for the UCLA kid. Now Petty on the other hand if he's there in the 3rd rd you get him fast. I don't think he'll be there though> I would be ok with Petty in the third.. He seems like the kind of guy that would come in right away and hit the books, possibly be able to beat out a McCown and unless JM is a completely different person, him too.. I'm not saying Petty is a franchise QB, or super talented.. But i think if you bring him in, give him a basic playbook, and run the offense how we were weeks 1-10 last season, he'd be fine.. I feel thensame about McCown, dunno how I feel about Johnny..
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This QB class is bad. Just because the class is bad, doesn't mean we should reach for the best of the bad guys. In a normal QB year there is no way Petty is better than a 5th round pick. This year he is being dicussed as a 2nd rounder because there is no one else. We shouldn't force things.
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People are talking about trading up for Mariotta if he starts to fall..
I don't see that much of a difference prospect wise between Mariotta and Petty..
So if we can spend Two 1st plus more on Mariotta, then I'm ok with spending a 3rd on Petty..
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So because you don't think Mariota is good, that means it is okay to overvalue other players?
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No, I think Mariott is good. I just don't know why he's seen as so much better than Petty.
They basically did the same thing, but Mariotta had better players than Baylor..
I like Petty a lot.
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Basically did the same thing. . . except for the 2,000 plus rushing yards Mariota had. I am not in love with either guy. We need a guy that can start right away. Both Mariota and Petty will have a huge transition to the NFL. Our new QB coach should have a very good idea of what Petty can do. He was working with him pre-draft. This scares me as well: COMPARES TO: Brandon Weeden, Cowboys -- Petty is reminiscent of a younger, more athletic version of Weeden, coming from a spread offense that relies on a lot of quick, one-read plays that make it easy to identify single match-ups.
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I don't understand that comparison..
Petty doesn't have a Justin Blackmon..
I don't think people realised how much Blackmon made Weeden look at all good..
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It probably is just because of the offense they both were in (Weeden and Petty).
Neither Petty nor Mariota had any big time prospects at the wide receiver position.
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Basically, to me, Winston is the only guy in this draft I'd see coming in right away as a true Starter/Franchise guy.. barring him failing due to other things (being a douche)
Anyone else, you do your homework, you set them up for success, because it's going to take time..
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I would sign Jake Locker. Start him if he is ready, when he gets hurt you have McCown as his backup. Our offense last year to start the season is made for Locker.
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I think i could get behind that..
Put Manziel on the PUP list or something, let him work through his stuff as long as he needs..
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