DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2015 NFL Season The NFL Draft 2015 With the 12th and 19th pick in the 2015 draft CLEVELAND selects...

I think dupree is probably gonna be gone before we draft the way teams are swarming him at the moment. I wouldnt take any of these pass rushers top 15 but I am hearing the Bears and Skins really love Dupree, there is always one guy that makes the big jump and I think it is him in this years draft.

Cam Irving could be a legit candidate at 19.

And no, I'm not writing this because Tony Grossi thinks so too. In fact, I'm disgusting by it.

I've been spending some time on Draft Breakdown, looking at DT mostly. I also looked at Maxx Williams. Most TE are blocker/short yardage types, or they are legitimate passing threats who offer token blocks when not the target. Williams is a fierce blocker, especially downfield after a teammate has made the catch, and a legitimate passing threat. If Cooper, White and Parker are gone by 12, I think we should strongly consider taking Williams in the first round, along with one of the top DT.

I would take Maxx at 19 and i would not complain if we took him at 12. I think he is a solid top 10 player in this draft.

One more thing i want to say on Dupree, 270 lbs 4.5 speed and played DE, OLB and i am hearing some think he would be ideal inside at ILB. If pettine has his choice, i think he is a real possibility if there at 12. I would not take him that high but I think we may if he is there.

Williams is an odd blocker... Once he gets locked on he maintains it well but he really stops and gathers himself up to block, like a cat pouncing. It's weird. I think his hesitation on the blocks and lack of initial power is a little bit of a negative. JMObservations.

he also uses that to get himself open at times also, defender really doesnt know if he is going out or is staying in to block. He is a bit different in how he does things. Its like he doesnt look that fast but he is able to separate against guys that are in pretty good position.

Maxx has really soft hands when catching the ball. And he catches everything with his hands. I wouldn't call him a fierce blocker.

Walford is a better blocker but has a tendency to be a body catcher.

Dupree - I think that he is the prototypical combine workout warrior. Looks great on paper not so great on the field. Hoping he if gone before our pick so we don't get tempted.

Give up the 12, 19, Browns 2nd rounder, and Browns 3rd rounder for number 4 overall, take Mariota.

I'll change my mind tomorrow.

One thing that hasn't changed, I don't really care who the Browns take, I don't think the Browns can't have a winning season, and that stinks.

Oh, and. NO DIVISION 2 OFFENSIVE LINEMEN, what a freaking travesty that was! No division 2 players at all.

Way too much compensation, our 12th and 43rd would cover the deal ...

I am of split opinion on Mariota. He could be the next great QB, or he could be another great college QB who never makes it in the NFL. I think he has the size, the intelligence and the personality to be able to make the step from the shotgun/one-read offense of Oregon to the under-center/read progression game of the pros, but he will need to red-shirt. He would also do better studying under a quality starter. We can offer him neither. If we take him, he may never have the chance to develop into his full potential.

That said, if he were to fall to 12, I think we are actually better served by playing the trade offers from NO, SD and Philly against each other to get the best possible deal, say a lower 1, a 2 and a 1 next year.
We can do a lot with 7 picks in the first 4 rounds and 2 1st next year.

Can I laugh that your post said next year, twice.

Of course you can, my name is W8 4 Nxt Yr Again

with the comp picks coming out, we know what spots we'll be drafting now:

I think we can take Randy Gregory off the board. . .

Good, I thought he was tremendously overrated anyway.

'Mel Kiper believes Randy Gregory could fall to Browns, but given failed drug tests should they catch him?'

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/03/mel_kiper_believes_edge_rusher.html

By Tom Reed, Northeast Ohio Media Group on March 26, 2015 at 6:56 PM, updated March 26, 2015 at 7:31 PM

BEREA, Ohio -- The Browns need another edge rusher. Coach Mike Pettine acknowledged as much this week at the annual NFL Meeting in Phoenix.

ESPN draft guru Mel Kiper said Thursday one of the top prospects could fall to the Browns at No. 12 overall. But would they position themselves to catch him, running the risk of being impaled by his red flags?

Nebraska edge rusher Randy Gregory, considered by some a top-10 pick, revealed to NFL.com on Thursday that he failed a drug test for marijuana at the NFL combine last month.

Gregory recorded 17.5 sacks over the past two seasons with the Cornhuskers. He also tested positive for pot twice in 2014. Given the Browns' experience with receiver Josh Gordon, who's serving an indefinite ban for violating the league's substance abuse policy for a third time, it seems hard to imagine the club taking this gamble.

But Kiper pointed to players such as Hall of Famer Warren Sapp and current sackmaster Justin Houston as players who excelled in the pros after flunking drug tests before entering the league. Houston plummeted to the third round of the 2011 draft after testing positive for marijuana at the combine. He's registered 48.5 sacks in the past four years, and has yet to sign a nonexclusive franchise tag placed on him by the Chiefs.

Kiper is not predicting a dramatic tumble for Gregory, who said he's smoked pot to relieve anxiety. The league website reported the 6-foot-5, 243 pounder would enter the league already in Stage 1 of the NFL's substance abuse policy.

"I blame myself," Gregory told NFL.com. "And I know it sounds cliche, but there's really no one else I can blame. ... (But) I don't wake up every day saying, I'd really love to go smoke. It's not a struggle for me every day (now), it really isn't. In the past, hell yeah, it's been a struggle. It really has been. Now, I'm focused on my dream."

Many project Florida's Dante Fowler as the top edge rusher with Gregory, Clemson's Vic Beasley and Missouri's Shane Ray also meriting top-15 consideration. The Browns own two first-round picks, including No. 19 overall. Kiper doesn't expect the versatile Gregory to slide that far.

"You separate a tie maybe based on (the failed combine test)," the analyst said. "If you have Gregory and Shane Ray as equal then you go with Ray. Same with Beasley. If you look at teams who would look at him as a bargain if he dropped down to them I think it would be a Cleveland at No. 12 or New Orleans at No. 13. ... (They would be) getting a top-five value in terms of potential and ability."

The Browns ranked 27th in sacks last season with 31 and lost Jabaal Sheard to the Patriots via free agency. The club is likely looking for someone to play opposite Paul Kruger, who registered a career-high 11 sacks.

Barkevious Mingo, who has a slender frame similar to Gregory's, had an improved second season, but was most effective dropping into coverage while playing all year with an injured shoulder. Pettine said defensive end Armonty Bryant, who tore his ACL last season, also could be used in an outside-linebacker rotation.

"From the initial look at this draft, there seems to be some depth at that spot, but we won't reach," Pettine told reporters in Phoenix. "If the value presents itself, I could see us going that route."

Given the character issues involving Gordon and 2014 first-rounders Justin Gilbert and Johnny Manziel, the Browns would have to love Gregory's skill set to make a play for the Cornhusker on April 30. Of course, Bryant is an example of a player who had off-field concerns before arriving in Cleveland and has given the club no trouble. He was a 2013 seventh-round selection.

Gregory told NFL.com he understands the skepticism teams will have in evaluating him.

"I want people to understand I'm not some dumb jock pothead. I'm not," he said. "I'm intelligent. I love the people who help me, I love my family, I love my support group. I love football. I love winning. And I don't want to be labeled as some bust that couldn't make it because he smoked. And I won't be labeled as that.

"So I just want people to understand that. This may be a setback. You may look at me a certain way, but at the end, I'm still going to be on top. I'm still going to do well."



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Outside of Gregory (noooo) or one of the two QB "dropping "..................we need to get better on both lines each and every year. So at #12 we go big with Danny Shelton 6'2 -339lbs to anchor the Defensive line at nose tackle. Then come back at #19 with another big boy in 6'7 - 313lbs Andrés Peat to play right tackle. This moves Schwartz to Right guard. Greco becomes lg-c-rg depth. We have depth at ot with Schwartz and Bowie. SOLID. Then go Receiver, Tight end (I like Huerman), and a kicker like Aguayo before they lose the chance to draft him!

Lol, I understand going after a guy you really want, but ithink using apick in this year's draft on Aguayo might be a bit early.

For the life of me I can't figure out what to do with our 3rd round pick. I think I'm good with a combination of either Malcom Brown and Nelson Agholor or Davante Parker and Carl Davis for the first round. I think I'd even take Brown and Davis. Second round I'm pretty locked in on Clive Walford. Third round, there's no pass rusher to take there unless I'm completely forgetting someone, no corner. Maybe Mitch Morse as a swing tackle? Matias or Miller at guard? A running back like Duke Johnson or Tevin Coleman? Anthony, Kendricks, and McKinney will likely all be gone by now but if one were left I'd take him there. If we lose a draft pick I hope it would be this one or later. Fourth round I like either Gallik or Garcia at center, then probably just look for the best value of any player in the fourth. Fifth... Why the heck not, take Fowler. Sixth I'm thinking a Pirate, take Terry Williams unless I took two DL in the first then take Cam Worthy. For the other pick take a pass rusher... Tull if he's there or Rasco or Wagenmann or Emanuel. There will be options at that positon late, I think. Seventh I take Gunter if he's still around... Bad 40 time and all. He's a good player.

Why do people want to put Greco on the bench?

This is probably a good thing, no? Or are there no players available at that spot to fill our obvious holes? If that's the case just go best player available.

Or draft that giant fullback from Alabama. . .

I wonder about that too. He is an upper level Guard in the NFL, and yet for some reason people think that he is easily replaceable.

Cleve - We are thinking a lot alike. Here are some of my thoughts.

Ideally I would prefer Parker and Brown. Possible but not probably.
If the Parker and Cooper (my #1 Wr) are gone I would go with Brown.

Assuming that we go with Brown, I do like Agholar. I think that he could be had in the 3rd. SO that begs the question: Would you rather go Agholar/Walford or Maxx Williams/Agholar? Comparing Williams to Walford: Catching ability- Williams has amazingly soft hands. I really like how he snatches the ball out of the air with his hands. Walford tends to be a body catcher in the limited amount that I have seen him. Blocking: Williams tries but is just so-so, Walford is a pretty good blocker.

3rd round I would take Gallik. He is by far my #1 OC. It might be a little early but I would rather be a round early and get the guy I want that try to push it a round and miss out on him. If you feel Garcia is that close to Gallik and want to wait then this is the round I would consider Petty if he is still on the board. I don't know where he will go but if he lasts until the 3rd I would have a hard time passing on him here. Walterfootball.com has Nate Orchard, Marcus Golden and Lorenzo Mauldin available. I would expect Orchard and Golden to be gone by then but if still on the board I would give them consideration in the 3rd.

If we take Gallik in the 3rd then that opens up a 4th round pick. In the 4th I would take a 2nd Wr and that would be my top mid round Wr - DeAndre Smelter from GT. Big strong body and he uses it well to position himself to block out the DB and create a big window. He has excellent hands and is a fantastic blocker. Reminds me of Hines Ward but not dirty like Ward.

With the other 4th round pick I would consider Ellis McCarthy NT UCLA. You know I love Terry Williams so a McCarthy/Williams combo would be an option if we decided to go with an O-lineman in the 1st. I like the idea someone like Ereck Flowers. He could start at RT and Swartz could move into RG. This would increase the power blocking for our run game. Allow Greco to be a super sub at OC and both OG positions. Or keep Greco as the starter and move Swartz to backup. I like that we get a backup LT in Flowers should Thomas ever get hurt (which we don't have) and he would be the heir apparent for when Thomas eventually retires.

Late I like Marcus Murphy Rb Missouri. He could be a good change of pace /3rd down back but at minimum he would fix our horrid kick/punt return games. I would also consider taking a flyer on Conner Halliday Qb Washington State. I know you don't particularly care for him but I think I would take a 7th round chance on him. A lot of folks would like to take a K here. I wouldn't have an issue if there was a guy we really liked but I haven't bothered to scout kickers. Actually, not sure I would know how. NFLdraftblitz.com and Draftcountdown.com both have Justin Manton Louisina-Monroe as their top K for what it's worth.

Right. Greco and Schwartz are, at the very least, average starters in the league (with Greco being far better than that). I would prefer we didn't draft a tackle in the first round, but I would understand if we did. Replacing Greco makes no sense.

I agree with you that I would prefer not to take an OT in the 1st but would understand it. While Thomas has been a rock at LT we have not had anyone who could fill in and be respectable for a full series let alone an extended duration. And at some point he is going to retire. How many years does he have left? I would sure like to have a guy who could seamlessly shift over rather than being forced to hope that there is an OT in that years draft who could do it and to have him magically be available at our pick.

I am not worried about Thomas. We are screwed in multiple different ways when he leaves. I could understand drafting a tackle and having that person compete with Schwartz for the starting spot, whoever loses becomes depth. I would not prefer to draft a player, with a first round pick, who might not be able to beat out Mitchell Schwartz.