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thanks for the read 3rd...

11. The difference for McCown was the Bears' running attack and a much better offensive line than Tampa Bay. Chicago's offensive philosophy put McCown in formations that fit his skills.


15. The Browns know that McCown will be 36 on July 4. They know he is a stopgap. New offensive coordinator John DeFilippo worked with him in Oakland. The Browns believe they can duplicate the offense they had with Hoyer early in the season and make it work with McCown.



we all mentioned this when he was signed. our run game will be what gives him a chance to succeed this year if he indeed becomes the starter. play action is all he needs to worry about.


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Does anyone really feel better about McCown after reading Pluto's article? superconfused

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Even Terry Pluto is gagging on this move.

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i don't know about feeling better. i won't know until we find out if we brought him in to start or not. if he was that would be a definite HELL NO.

the article did show why he had the good year in chicago. knowing that we will have a good OL and run game also gives me more hope than i had before the article.


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It sure sounds like he could start.

I already knew the stuff about the lines and running game, but I do know both of Tampa Bay's RBs had produced in the past. Could it be that their running game suffered because teams didn't respect McCown?

And why did Chicago let him go in the first place? Why was he out of football for awhile? How is going to be effective throwing to WRs that are far below both the Bucs and Bears' WRs?

Sorry bro, that article seemed like a lot of excuse making and wishful thinking on the part of the Browns. I'm telling you...........I don't think these guys have a clue about QBs.

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wasn't McCown a FA when he left chicago? i think he wanted to go to a place where he had a chance to start.

i don't know what happened to TB's run game. i remember freaking out when rainey was running all of those yds. did they change coaches or something? blocking schemes or whatever? or injuries to the OL? that's all i can think of.


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Yes, they did change coaches.

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Originally Posted By: Dave
Even Terry Pluto is gagging on this move.


I think in a nutshell we pretty much take who we can get. Beggars can't be choosers.

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Meh, McCown and Hoyer are fairly equal, all things considered. When McCown was given a decent offensive line and running game, he proved to be at least somewhat effective.

I have very little hope if the Browns are starting McCown, but I'd feel the same way if they were starting Hoyer too. In short, neither are good options as an NFL starter. Here's to hoping Manziel/Draft Pick/Another Vet is here to start.


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'Cleveland Browns have their reasons for wanting Josh McCown and other weekend notes -- Terry Pluto'

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2015/03/cleveland_browns_have_their_re.html

By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer on March 07, 2015 at 9:35 AM, updated March 07, 2015 at 10:36 AM


CLEVELAND, Ohio -- As you read this, keep in mind that I'm giving you the Browns' perspective. Other than the statements from the public relations department, we've heard very little about why they signed quarterback Josh McCown.

And very few people have been excited about it, including me.

Anyway, I wanted to know what the Browns were thinking, so here we go:

1. They believed Brian Hoyer would probably sign elsewhere once free agency began on March 10. Of course, the Browns weren't willing to make any sort of real commitment, either. In the end, it seemed best for both sides to move on.

2. The free agent QB selections are very limited -- Mark Sanchez, Jake Locker, etc. There will be a lot of competition for mediocre quarterbacks. McCown was available now, whereas Locker and the rest can't sign until March 10. Signing McCown before free agency opened ensured the Browns have at least one veteran in place.

3. The Browns studied every snap taken by McCown in the last two years. In 2013, he threw 13 touchdown passes compared to one interception while starting five games in Chicago. Last season, he had 14 interceptions against 11 TDs in 11 games. What was the difference?

4. Last season, the Browns used play-action fakes on 29 percent of their plays for Hoyer. Tampa did it on only 9 percent for McCown, second fewest in the NFL. The year before in Chicago, it was 21 percent for McCown.

5. In Chicago, McCown had Matt Forte (1,339 yards rushing). Last season, he had Doug Martin (494 yards) and Bobby Rainey (406). The Bears' strong running game helped set up McCown's passing.

6. Tampa often used empty backfields and multiple receiver sets. Chicago's Forte was not only a weapon in the running game, he caught 79 passes in 2013. So he was always on the field, receiving lots of defensive attention.

7. Tampa ranked 29th in rushing. The Bucs scored only seven touchdowns on the ground, and three belonged to McCown.

8. The Browns ranked 17th in rushing with 17 touchdowns. There is no doubt that the Browns have a much better ground game.

9. McCown had good receivers in both places. In Chicago, it was Brandon Marshall, Alshon Jeffries and Martellus Bennett. In Tampa Bay, it was Vincent Jackson and Mike Evans.

10. Both teams have superior receivers when compared to the 2014 Browns.

11. The difference for McCown was the Bears' running attack and a much better offensive line than Tampa Bay. Chicago's offensive philosophy put McCown in formations that fit his skills.

12. Football Outsiders rated Tampa Bay as the NFL's worst offensive line, 29th protecting the passer. The Browns were 24th overall, 15th protecting the passer. The Browns expect a big upgrade with the return of Pro Bowl center Alex Mack and some help in the draft.

13. Profootballfocus ranked the Browns as the No. 6 offensive line in 2014. They had Tampa at No. 25. No matter the ranking, McCown is coming to a much better line.

14. The Bucs were 2-14. McCown certainly had a hand in the problems, but they were widespread. A week before the season, offensive coordinator Jeff Tedford became ill and had to resign. It was just a mess with the lousy blocking and running game.

15. The Browns know that McCown will be 36 on July 4. They know he is a stopgap. New offensive coordinator John DeFilippo worked with him in Oakland. The Browns believe they can duplicate the offense they had with Hoyer early in the season and make it work with McCown.

16. McCown also is willing to work with Johnny Manziel, Connor Shaw or a Quarterback To Be Named Later. At this stage of his career, he wants to start -- but knows he has real value as a backup.

17. I could not get a sense if the Browns plan to draft a quarterback -- or sign another one. Their salary cap room gives them options for another quarterback.

ABOUT MONEY AND QUARTERBACKS

Some fans were shocked by McCown's three-year, $14 million contract.

First of all, that $14 million means nothing. The key to any NFL contract is the guaranteed money. For McCown, it's $6.2 million. That's right, $6.2 million for a guy who had a 1-10 record as a starter with Tampa Bay last year. McCown made $4.75 million with the Bucs.

Veteran backups make good money, and it will keep rising. Buffalo paid $5.4 million to Kyle Orton in 2014. He retired, and the Bills tried to sign McCown. The Browns out-bid them.

Then Buffalo traded for Matt Cassel, who signed a two-year, $10.5 million contract with Minnesota in 2014. He was guaranteed $5.6 million. His career record is 23-33.

Before 2014, Chad Henne signed a two-year, $8 million deal with Jacksonville -- $4 million guaranteed. Before 2014, Matt Moore received the same contract from Miami. Matt Schaub signed a two-year, $13 million deal to back up in Oakland -- with $6.5 million guaranteed.

Free agency opens on March 10. Some very mediocre quarterbacks such as Mark Sanchez and Jake Locker will be paid a lot of money.

I'm very curious to see where Hoyer ends up. I thought Buffalo would be a great spot, but the Bills traded for Cassel. They apparently want to see if 2013 first-round pick E.J. Manuel can win the job.

The Browns signed Hoyer to a two-year, $2 million deal in 2013, so they had him at a bargain price because he had played so little in the NFL.

THE RUNNING GAME

The Browns feel very good about their young backs. Terrance West and Isaiah Crowell combined for 1,280 yards, 12 touchdowns and a 4.0 rushing average. Both were rookies, both should improve.

He didn't have a single carry, but the Browns really like Glenn Winston. Look for him to receive a lot of attention in the summer and preseason. They want to find out if he can be in the mix. Depth is needed because running backs do get hurt -- a lot.

If they do add a back, it may be more of a third-down pass catcher. That is what the Browns need to work on. West and Crowell combined for only 20 receptions. No matter the quarterback, the team needs a running back who can help as a receiver.
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jc..this makes me sick to my stomach...really it does.

This is a propaganda article with information from the PR department... trying to sell McCown.

What I get from the article...there will be NO BIG DEAL to bring in another FA QB or a deal to trade for a good back up QB.

The Browns will NOT move up in the 1st round of the draft to get a QB.

Farmer and Haslam's idea for addressing the Browns QB situation is to sign a 35 yr old QB who went 1-10 as a starter for the Bucs.

This is all there is..



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I think it is a good article that explains a lot. Our future is not going to begin and end with Josh. He is just a part of it there will be others involved that probably aren't even here yet. Everyone needs to calm down about Josh. I for one am glad he is here. He is very knowledgeable about the qb position and is willing to help any other qb's we have or may get. What's wrong with that?

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I saw the piece as well Mac and I believe it is akin to polishing a turd.

This group headed most certainly by Haslam is pretty bad. They fail to lock up the talent they do have and when given the opportunity they down grade although one could argue that is a pretty hard thing to do.

The only hope I have is they draft or sign via FA a killer O line and run the ball relentlessly. But that means they also have to upgrade the defensive front 7 while doing it just to give us a snow balls chance in hell.

I know their options are limited on what they can do with the QB position, but is this truly all they could or can do?

I'm hopeful they plan to take the defense to the next level get a road grader RT and run the ball endlessly while playing great defense, because the QB position is pretty bad.


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Originally Posted By: Homewood Dog
I think it is a good article that explains a lot. Our future is not going to begin and end with Josh. He is just a part of it there will be others involved that probably aren't even here yet. Everyone needs to calm down about Josh. I for one am glad he is here. He is very knowledgeable about the qb position and is willing to help any other qb's we have or may get. What's wrong with that?



homewood...others involved?

What I'm telling you is ...McCown is it..that is the big news for the Browns concerning the QB position.

I seriously doubt that the Browns sign another free agent or make a trade for good young QB, maybe someone like Nick Foles. I doubt the Browns will attempt to trade up to get one of the top two QBs..they might draft another QB in the late rounds.

Prepare yourself...McCown will be the best QB on our roster.


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Mac I would hope that we keep our options open and look to add someone else for next season. We should always be looking to improve.

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I saw the piece as well Mac and I believe it is akin to polishing a turd.

This group headed most certainly by Haslam is pretty bad.



Bone...Haslam is leading our front office and determined to show everyone how smart he is.

EVERYTHING the Browns are doing concerning the QB position, is to prepare Johnny Football to be the Browns starting QB at some point this season.

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Originally Posted By: Homewood Dog
I think it is a good article that explains a lot. Our future is not going to begin and end with Josh. He is just a part of it there will be others involved that probably aren't even here yet. Everyone needs to calm down about Josh. I for one am glad he is here. He is very knowledgeable about the qb position and is willing to help any other qb's we have or may get. What's wrong with that?



homewood...others involved?

What I'm telling you is ...McCown is it..that is the big news for the Browns concerning the QB position.

I seriously doubt that the Browns sign another free agent or make a trade for good young QB, maybe someone like Nick Foles. I doubt the Browns will attempt to trade up to get one of the top two QBs..they might draft another QB in the late rounds.

Prepare yourself...McCown will be the best QB on our roster.


yea. some one has to replace shaw.


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*Snicker*

Well, if the plan is to have McCown back up Johnny then the "plan" is to have McCown start after the first couple games. Johnny may or may not get his head together in rehab, but he isn't going to GROW in there. He couldn't stay healthy for two whole games last season. Does anyone expect him to stay healthy an entire season as little as he is, given his propensity to run at the first sign of pressure? One thing we all know for certain... whomever starts at QB in Cleveland sure as hell won't be finishing the season there.

So Johnny Rehab to start, with zero weapons at WR or TE and a new system run by a guy that's never called plays in the NFL..... What could possibly go wrong.... lmmfao


The TE could be the biggest asset, if we can get a very good one, to develop with JM. that could help JM keep from scrambling upfield and just roll out if he needs...if any team needed a stud catching TE, the Browns are it.

the worse case would be that Josh beat JM in training camp ... the best case being the JM ends up being the superstar everyone hopes he will be. Maybe we'll find a 4th round QB gem in the draft that blows them all away..


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Originally Posted By: mac

EVERYTHING the Browns are doing concerning the QB position, is to prepare Johnny Football to be the Browns starting QB at some point this season.


And why shouldn't they? I am under no illusion that your statement isn't accurate. I'm sure that this is their preferred plan.


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Here's hoping that McCown will be backing up a legitimate starting QB this year. I can dream can't I?... rofl

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Originally Posted By: SuperBrown
Here's hoping that McCown will be backing up a legitimate starting QB this year. I can dream can't I?... rofl


thats a dream we are all having


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Just who is it that is in their right mind that would hang their franchise on JF??

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Originally Posted By: SuperBrown
Here's hoping that McCown will be backing up a legitimate starting QB this year. I can dream can't I?... rofl

I'm not sure where I saw this but....... grin
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Truly depressing. JMc. . . . . The face of the franchise. I feel we lowered the bar.


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We do seem to be stacking the deck to "help" him. Hope it works. I am asking myself, "Self, what could possibly go wrong."

Not done answering myself yet.


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If the front office and/or coaching staff is relying on Manziel I will lose a lot of faith in both.

I am really holding out hope that we sign another veteran. I don't see it happening though.

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I'm hopeful they plan to take the defense to the next level get a road grader RT and run the ball endlessly while playing great defense, because the QB position is pretty bad.


Sounds like a job for MANGINI! Hopefully Flip will call him up and ask for the scheme that gave us that end of season win streak.. poke thumbsup brownie


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