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Running the same plays and having the same playbook is two different things.

I yi yi yi.

Y'all never cease to amaze.

he said something about emphasizing each guys skill set but that it wouldn'tbe fair to the other guys on offense to have completely different playbooks for the Qbs. I was jotting down tidbits while working. The whole podcast is probably up on the browns website.

Flip interview

5 staples of the Browns offense under John DeFilippo
Posted 6 hours ago

Kevin Jones
Staff Writer
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New offensive coordinator lays out a structure for his unit


Six weeks have passed since coach Mike Pettine introduced John DeFilippo as the new offensive coordinator of the Cleveland Browns.

During that time span, DeFilippo finished hiring his staff, reached out to several players on offense to get to know their personalities and familiarized himself with Cleveland.
But his paramount responsibility has been watching every Browns offensive snap from the 2014 season. The 36-year-old has been putting a plan together and he illustrated the broad strokes of the offense Tuesday as a guest on Cleveland Browns Daily.

1) The Browns will keep a comparable approach in the running game

Why fix it if it’s not broken? Because of a skimpy month of December, offensive production dipped the Browns’ rushing total to 17th in the league. But when Cleveland was sitting with a 7-4 record and atop the AFC North, the running game was one of the main reasons why. DeFilippo will continue to utilize the zone-blocking system, though he added gap-blocking and downhill running will be interspersed.

“We are going to be able to run the football here,” DeFilippo said. “We have a fantastic offensive line. And when you can run the football – I’ll tell our guys this from Day 1 – everything else falls into place. Your play-action game falls into place. Then you can take shots down the field.”

2) Isaiah Crowell and Terrance West will be asked to be pass-catchers

DeFilippo said that Crowell and West were thrown into the fire early in their careers and, at times, “flourished.” But the offensive coordinator thinks they have untapped talents that can help the Browns move the football with more consistency.
Last season, West had 11 receptions for 64 yards while Crowell had nine catches for 87 yards. Just as a comparison, Pittsburgh’s Le’Veon Bell had 83 receptions for 854 yards and three touchdowns.

“Let’s see if they can catch the ball, run a slant, run a hitch, run a go, run a comeback,” DeFilippo said. “I want to see if those guys can do those things because that’s going to be a big part of the offense that I want to incorporate here.”

3) A playmaking tight end will be a necessity
Pettine indicated at the NFL Combine the Browns have been in contact with impending free agent Jordan Cameron, but there’s a chance the tight end doesn’t return. DeFilippo said he’s very comfortable with Jim Dray and Gary Barnidge as his “Y” tight ends, who will primarily be blockers in the run game.

The other tight end in DeFilippo’s offense is called the “F” – who will be lined up all over the field trying to exploit the defense. If Cameron returns, he’s shown the knack for making big plays. If not, the Browns will need to go on a hunt for his replacement. DeFilippo was clear in what his offense will need.
In Oakland, Pro Bowl fullback Marcel Reece was this sort of player.

“A guy that can move around, be a mismatch on a linebacker, can run a choice route, get in and out of breaks on third and fourth down, can win against man-to-man coverage,” DeFilippo said. “That’s what I think we are in the market for. Everybody is looking for that personnel mismatch to be able to go out and do all those things. It just totally broadens the field for you and widens and makes you much more diverse.”

4) There will be more team meetings
When he begins to install the offense at OTAs in April, DeFilippo said almost everything will be done together as an entire unit to avoid misinterpretations. There will be team bonding. There will be pop quizzes. There will be one unit in unison.

“We’re going to meet the majority of the time together, so that players hear one voice as much as possible,” DeFilippo said. “I’m a big believer in that. That way there is no miscommunications from coaches, from coach to player, from player to player. Those expectations will be set from Day 1.
“The one thing I’ve really enjoyed in watching the tape is that with our guys on offense, effort is not going to be a problem. We’re not going to have to coach effort – which at some places I’ve been, you’ve had to lay out expectations for effort. It’s been a very pleasant surprise to watch our players play so hard.”
5) There will not be separate playbooks for Johnny Manziel and Josh McCown
DeFilippo explained there will be 10-15 plays that Manziel might focus on more because they are plays tailored to his scrambling skill set, but the coordinator repeatedly said having two playbooks is a trap for other players on offense to be confused.

“The majority of your game plan needs to be able to be ran by all the quarterbacks on your roster, because that’s what you’ve practiced, and that’s why you have these plays to attack the team that you are playing that week,” DeFilippo said. “It does a disservice if you say, ‘Hey, this is quarterback A’s game plan, this is quarterback B’s game plan. Those other guys on offense will look at you like you have eight heads.”

Just wanted to add, that its a good inteview and well worth the listen.

Did Shanahan use two separate playbooks?

We don't know. We do know that the plays that were used when Manziel was QB were very different than the ones used when Hoyer was QB.

It likely means nothing, but DeFilippo seems much more friendly than Shanahan.

The read option stuff was only in there for Johnny and it showed when we tried to run it when it hadnt been practiced once since preseason lol That was about as smart as when Chud was trying to run a screen passes with DA lol

there has to be more to him leaving or wanting to leave than we're being told. I'm equally sure there are 2 sides (at least) to the story.

And I'm sure we'll never know the whole story.

so, he's gone,flip is here.

We don't know? Really?

Again............simply amazing!

I repeat...repeat...repeat...

What's a John DeFilippo ??????????????

It's an Italian pancake house lavatory...

LOL bb......I like it...

What's your explanation between in difference in plays called for Hoyer and Manziel?

I know it is hard to understand, but others are allowed to speculate on things as well. Even if they make people negatively view the Golden Child.

Maybe he found it funny because DeFilippo just explained exactly what you saw in the article posted. It is common knowledge how extensive the playbook was. Depending on which QB was on the field, different parts of the playbook were accentuated.



It was right in front of your face all along.

Seems pretty clear to me!

I'm not sure what you're point is. The question is being posed because some people think Shanahan had two different playbooks for Hoyer and Manziel.

Well obviously he didn't have two different play books..

He just called completely different formations and plays for them, from different "sections" of the "playbook"

That Guy sort of made my point. I've never, EVER heard of any OC having two playbooks. It's a predicated myth based on zero evidence or even calculated suspicion.

Everyone has talked about just how extensive Shanahan's playbook was. DeFilippo described perfectly what we all saw. Different parts of the Shanahan playbook were used more and selectively depending on which QB was in the line up.

It's as obvious as it can be and making up some silly unfounded question that makes zero sense in totally unfounded.

My opinion is that Shanahan had one very big playbook. But with the way he called plays so differently for the different Qb's, he turned that one playbook into two from a functional standpoint.

When people say he had "2 playbooks" I don't think anyone means that literally. It is just a figure of speech to describe the vast differences in the playcalling after Manziel came in as compared to when Hoyer was playing.

I understand.

My point------which a couple of other posters have already tried explaining to you---was that we did NOT have two different play books. That is simply ludicrous.

A few posters were trying to act like what Flip said was a big revelation and extended that to mean that Shanny did have two playbooks. That is false and totally preposterous.

My point is that if you have a Peyton Manning as your starter and a Michael Vick as your backup, you better be calling different plays.

Calling different plays for Hoyer and Manziel was smart.......not stupid.

Calling different plays for Manziel and McCown would be smart.......not stupid.

There are never two playbooks.

Does it make sense now? Or, do you wanna continue to argue?

Ahhh..........changing the argument because you know the prior opinion has been proven to be ridiculous.

Let me ask you this..........why would you call the same exact plays for guys w/completely different skill sets?

The only coaches who do that are stupid coaches who think their plays are so great that it does not matter who runs them or who defends them.

The best coaches call plays that suits the talents of their players.

Trust me on that one!!!!!

In DeFillipo's most recent interview, the interviewed asked him if he would have two different playbooks (implying that there were two last year). That is what this whole conversation is based on.

And you bought into that hook, line, and sinker.

I'm telling you that that ASSumption is BS.

You wanna change your mind, or do you wanna continue to argue?

If buying something hook, line, and sinker is saying, "We don't know." Then yes, you're right. Got me.

Okay man............you are right. Shanny was an idiot who had two different playbooks.

Not changing any argument, just giving my opinion. I hadn't weighed in yet.

I agree that plays should be called to maximize the ability of the players on the field. But all of them, not just one. While the "new" plays were called to maximize JM's talents, it sounds like that those plays weren't practiced very often. So while trying to maximize what JM does best the play call made the rest of the players on the offense play not as well because they were trying to execute plays they hadn't practiced enough to become proficient at them.

Not stating facts, just stating one perspective.

Kyle Shanahan still confident Johnny Manziel will be good: 'Johnny is a playmaker'

"That was the fewest amount of plays I think I've ever called in a game,'' said Shanahan. There wasn't anything that we did in that game that Johnny hadn't done before in training camp or practice, every single play in that game I called except for one, Brian (Hoyer) ran throughout the year.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/12/kyle_shanahan_still_confident.html

Yeah, despite what some people said.............I did not think the play calling was all that different. It was more a matter of execution---or lack thereof.

I don't know about the two playbook part (as I have said before), but the idiot part. . .

Yawn

Do not blaspheme against the Golden Child!

Route trees!

(I don't know how I ended up being against Shanahan when I always supported him. (Besides the pistol/read option stuff))

This is the kind of crap that makes this board suck!

You are purposely being antagonistic. There are plenty of guys who act that way. You actually have some intelligence. Can't you rise above that?

This is too perfect.

I have my answer. I guess our conversations are over for at least awhile.

Where you going?

alot like vambo on the old board. just trolls until he gets someone pissed off enough to get banned. lol