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I don't get Bradford having that kind of value. If a team was willing to give up a 1st and a 2nd for Bradford then the Rams would have just traded with them, and not Philly.

For all you fans beating the drum Browns are the wost team in football, go take a look at the Rams. They hired rookie GM Les Snead and HC Jeff Fisher. Rams traded the RG iii pick to Washington. Results of that trade as follows: Greg Robinson, Janoris Jenkins, Michael Brockers, Alec Ogletree, Zac Stacy and Stedman Bailey.

What is St. Louis record? You can say their QB was hurt. Bradford didn't have enough offensive weapons. They made no attempt to improve the OL. Wait, Rams traded Bradford to Philly for Nick Foles. What has this organization done? They built one hell of a DL. They do very little in FA. Their whole philosophy is build through the draft.

Fans crying Browns aren't doing enough. It is dysfunctional. Owner meddles. Rams owner wants to move! How many of you crying fans wanted Jeff Fisher?

Look at what Chip Kelly is doing in Philly. Media telling fans he has gone mad. What he is really doing is putting together players who fit and understand his ideology. It is exactly what Pete Carrol did in Seattle. Browns have a potpourri of personal from several different HCs. It takes time. Best way to get the right mix is through the draft.

What we really should worry about is Haslam losing patience again. Forget worrying about whether we struck it rich in FA. All that does is put Browns in cap hell. See Miami two years ago.

Hypothetically, if that is the plan... why is that sad? Would it have been better to trade away assets such as draft picks for a QB like Foles who may get us to average immediately but probably never get much above average? Is that better than having a long term plan that gets us Conner Cook (or whoever their 2016 target QB is) that might have a chance to make us a winner for a long time?

Has this fan base not screamed for years that there is no long term plan? Has it not screamed that everything is constant change and knee jerk reactions and lack of continuity?

So if the plan is to give JM a season next year to see if he actually gets it, if he doesn't then we suck and move forward, what is the problem with that?

Not signing a bunch of FA's doesn't bother me one bit..

Pettine and Farmer are getting their chanc eto work together and put in place who they fill will fit in the way they want...

Listening to Pets presser he states they want to build the best O-line in the league... And if the run game is going to be a big part of this O then damn that's a good thing to hear..

And Honestly I would rather wait and pick up some younger less body abused O-lineman in the draft.

Haslam has stated he wants to build from the draft.. Seems like what they are saying...they are doing.

Just because FA's don't come here doesn't mean we're dysfunctional... If they don't fit the plan and don't make a good fit for the system.. then it tells me the coaching staff and the GM are doing their job.. Whether the fans agree with it or not.

The problem is certain fans have certain players they love and would love to see on their team... When that player doesn't land there... then the fan becomes upset..

Right or wrong ..fit or not... Theirs nothing we can do but hope the GM and HC get it right.

There is absolutely no problem with that from my point of view.

It takes two sides to agree to a deal.

For all we know, Farmer and Haslam DID try to get something done with Skrine and Revis yesterday.

Free agency didn't just end at midnight last night, their will be good players available today, and a week from now. Everyone relax.

Ray Farmer PROVED he can find us productive players in the draft last year (Bitonio, West, Kirksey, Desir and then Crowell, Williams and Gabriel), and on top of that he even warned us that we wouldn't be big time buyers in free agency. The fact that we were quiet yesterday should shock no one, we're building through the draft.

With that said, I still expect to see another WR and DT at some point in the next few days. We've got to grab a few veterans for depth.

Nothing I guess as long as your good with losing which I assume you are? I personally hate it but hey thats just me.

And there goes dan Williams the one guy we really needed
http://www.profootballrumors.com/raiders-sign-dan-williams-curtis-lofton/

Browns interested in Brandon Browner

Texans trade Ryan Fitzpatrick to Jets for conditional draft pick.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...nal-draft-pick/

Chris Lee @cleeverizon · 25m 25 minutes ago

My source; # # Browns considering trading both first-round picks (12 & 19) to New Orleans for 36-year-old future HOF QB Drew Brees.
Chris Lee @cleeverizon · 21m 21 minutes ago

Per source: The Saints did meet with J.Winston at the combine and with the Browns two 1st rounders they could easily move up to number 1.
Chris Lee @cleeverizon · 21m 21 minutes ago

Per source: It just talks within the organization. Nothing sent or agreed on. It's just being discussed.
Chris Lee @cleeverizon · 12m 12 minutes ago

FYI: b4 I sent the tweet, I did cross-check the info. My source is N.Y based. I cross-checked with N.O media member who tweeted similar info
Chris Lee @cleeverizon · 6m 6 minutes ago

I think it would be insane to trade our 2 #1's to NO for Drew Brees.

Never going to happen.

Damn I'd like to have him, but not no two first round picks. That's absurd for Breez. Just absurd.

There were similar rumors about Tom Brady last year too lol

I hope that Drew trade doesnt happen. He just doesnt have that many years left, and our QB's tend to take a beating.

Hoyer sucks, McCown sucks. Both can get hot and look competent at times but they still suck. The difference is there was a large contingent of this fan base that loved Hoyer and he could do no wrong in their eyes. You cant develop your young QB in that type of environment. McCown is the same level of bum but there is no love for him.

Its about getting Johnny ready for opening day and not having people chanting Hoyer. I applaud this regime for making decisions to help their rookie QB. They saw that Hoyer wasnt the answer and could be part of the problem and they replaced him with someone of similar level of talent and no baggage and someone that wants to go into coaching and help the rookie.

We are all in on Manziel. If he fails we get a top 3 pick next year and if he succeeds we have our QB. I dont see the problem with allowing your 1st round QB play himself out of the postion.

Not to pick on you, but posts like this remind me of Interstellar when Matthew McConaughey tells the crew that they need to start looing at time like a finite resource.

That would be a lot of money for a player who wouldn't be on the field full time.

Gilbert insurance.

Browner had the most DPIs in the league last year (I think).

Isn't Fitzpatrick better than Hoyer? Both are bad, but I guess Fitzpatrick is more expensive. Also, Fitzpatrick reunited with his head coach from Buffalo (Chan Gailey is the Jets' offensive coordinator).

I agree with all that and will add that Hoyer wanted to start which complicates the whole issue of wanting to start Manzel. At least McCown is willing to be the back-up so there's no added distraction there.

Wow. Didn't know that. Gilbert insurance, nonetheless...

Our QBs were hit at about a league average rate. Something tells me that would go down with a good QB. Also, Mack wasn't around for much of the season.

Drew Brees would be the ideal player for Manziel to learn from. Just sayin'.

I could care less about Manziel. If Brees is available he would be the ideal player for us to have a chance at winning for the next two to three years.

Brees last year:

4,952 yards (most in the league), 69.2% completion, 33 TDs, 17 INTs, QB rating of 97, and a QBR of 71.56 (50 is average QB play).

Brees would also give immediate credibility to our team on and off the field. The guy is still one of the best. If we can get him, we have to do it.

He is not available.

According to E$PN FA Tracker there were 627 FA'S when this kicked off (Counting teams own FA'S also) and as of now 176 have been signed ... We need to relax there are alot of very good football players still avalable ...

Yes I agree of course.

I would hate giving 2 #1's but having Drew Brees here for 2-3 years while we continue looking for that 1 QB for the future I would do it ...

It's amazing that people complain about not having a QB, but then when asked if they would give up two first rounders for a top five QB they immediately say no.

It makes no sense. There are no two players in the first round this year (besides maybe Winston) that would have the impact that Brees would have over the next few years. It's not even close.

Eagles sign Ryan Mathews

That is a great signing. Only $5M guaranteed. Mathews has trouble staying healthy, but Sproles will take some of the weight off his shoulders.

Giants re-sign Hynoski

Those are the only two good fullbacks that were available.

We better draft the giant fullback from Alabama. . .

I too agree with this.

Great sign will help Eagles greatly for the first 6 weeks.

Maybe this will help ease his carries as well:



Link

I would strongly consider this trade. Brees would instantly fix a lot of our offensive woes.

It would make a huge difference. I do hesitate at the 2 firsts, would prefer to hold on to one somehow (maybe a 1 and a 2? Or get a decent pick back along with Brees).

Then again, what would we do with those picks? We had two firsts last year. This might not be a bad year to move 1st round picks.

Tough call, but having Brees for 2-3 years is intriguing.

So we are going to trade two first rounders for a guy who will only be here 2/3 years, but the team wants to build through the draft and not sign FAs??? Ok that should work..lol.

I love Brees and would have no problem getting him for that price. However, if you do make that trade you have to know you are going "all in" for the short term.......aka you don't sit on 60 million in cap space, but you spend it on guys like Julius Thomas, Suh, etc.

I don't believe the Browns will do this, but if they do make the trade they are more clueless than I thought. Not because Brees isn't awesome, but because they should have been going all in to make this team a SB contender THIS year........not sit on a ton of cap space.

Almost assuredly a twitter rumor with no substance to it.......but with the Browns you never know just how truly incompetent they are.