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I don't believe that you will find one person on this board that disputes that. But where do you find that guy...where???

But where do you find that guy...where???
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Well normally the draft.

We have passed on plenty of guys who have become starters. Not all have been first rounders either. That is what scouting is all about.

This year Bradford "was" available. Nick Foles was available. Are they "the" answer?

That is questionable. But both guys have been at least starters. Bradford was the former first pick in the draft. He did alright when he has played. Yes, he has been injured but he is still young and at least there is some potential. Foles has started. One year really good almost MVP numbers. Second year not so good but got hurt. Still young and with some potential.

The Browns have two first round picks this year. They could possibly land Mariota.

I don't know much about the other guys in this draft besides Winston and Mariota. Bryce Petty might be worth a flyer. Again that is what the GM and his people are payed to find out. Not hard to pick the Andrew Lucks's of the world. But other teams do find players like Russell Wilson. Flacco was a late first rounder.

Really I don't see how the Browns can go into 2015 with the quarterbacks they now have.

^^ I don't think they're done bringing in quarterbacks.

I cannot see a logical scenario where they go into the 2015 season with only McCown and Manziel.

I would be utterly shocked if we don't draft a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round...

Thad was all I was hoping for. My life is complete...

Lol!

I know it isn't what you were hoping for, but when you put it in to the context of building the bottom of your roster, Lewis is a pretty solid pick-up. The guy has lots of starting experience for a QB who always funds himself on the bottom rung in the QB room.

peen - you have many times talked about improving the bottom of the roster, and it is a big part of what we need to do. If we sign a guy who moves a less talented player off the roster, then we have improved with that move.

I would like to hear which FA QB these people think we should have signed.

I am not saying I am comfortable with our QB situation. It is weak. I just do not see the options.

Terry Pluto brought up Matt Moore yesterday in a column as a possibility. Its just the type of tidbit the Browns might throw his way for being a "friend" in the media. I don't mean that to rip on Pluto - Hal Leboviz and Chuck Heaton filled that role in years past, as did Gib Shanley, Nev Chandler, Casey Coleman, and Jim Donovan on the TV side. These media members tended not to fly off the handle, kept their powder dry, would do an occasional rip job, but usually spoke the company line when reporting - in exchange for certain perks like exclusive interviews, inside scoops, and advanced knowledge of pending moves. None of this can be proved or documented, its just my strong opinion from decades of being a Browns fan and media watcher.

Anyway, back to the QB situation ... I'm starting to think there's more to the Manziel rehab than a few weeks of counseling for substance abuse. I won't speculate, but it could be that the Browns now think they can't rely on JM for the 2015 season (or maybe ever), and therefore need to sign another vet QB. Moore would fill the bill, and I'd feel better with him starting than McCown. The only thing I can't figure out under that scenario is why they would over-pay McCown so much when they might have gotten him for half as much.

Its all just conjecture on my part at this point, but that's what a message board is for, right? Just some guys (or gals) sitting at a bar, or in lawn chairs by the grill, or at the proverbial watercooler at work talking about their favorite football team.

You did mean "idle" talk, right? Or was that a Freudian slip...

It was a little more than idle talk.

Rizzo claimed his sources have told him that it is unlikely that Manziel will play this year. Grossi had not heard the same, but as I mentioned yesterday, Grossi does not appear to have any sources at all with the Browns.

Rizzo was pretty definitive on what he had been told. It wasn't speculation or idle chit chat. He was even a little reluctant to bring it up.

Well, I guess that was always a possibility, but certainly unexpected and not good news for the team. Two "lost" years off his career? Not good at all...

Two lost years on a team that needs, and has needed a Qb, increases his chances of being written off and moved on from. Some could speculate that has already happened. Pathetic.

It certainly does, I grant you that. It is too soon however, to write him off yet...

Take off your dancing shoes, mac...

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I'll believe it when I hear it from a person that I trust.

Wait a minute - are you really doubting Cleveland Bad Guy as a credible source?

Johnny Manziel will not play in the 2015

Manziel will be the starter. Believe that

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Because Josh McCown is awesome and is going to win the MVP!

Right, but I don't trust whoever made the original comment either.

While I don't really have any faith in the source, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if JFF doesn't see the field this year.

While people seem to promote the idea he is in rehab for alcohol, six weeks and counting isn't a good sign. We actually have no idea what his issue is or how deep it runs.

I wish him all the best, but when looking at the odds of success concerning rehab, we don't know how deep the issues are, what they are, but we do know that the odds of success are less than 50/50.

I admit I don't know much about re-hab........but, is it normal for a person to miss a year, maybe a year and a half, of work due to re-hab?

At some point in time - say, after 3 or 4 months - can't a person go to work, then to appointments/re-hab in the evenings?

Alcohol or drugs, or both - man, how deep was he into that stuff that he may miss a whole year re-habbing?

There are a couple of trains of thought here. While it's rumored that it involves alcohol, we really don't know. Could it be something worse or far more troublesome? Possibly. Does it involve his mental health? Possibly.

Could it involve multiple drug test failures we are currently unaware of? Possibly. Could the team, after finding out more details of his issues simply have written him off for this season? Possibly. I mean we all saw a glimpse of just how totally ill prepared he was to play near the end of his first season.

What all was involved in that is anyone's guess and I'm certainly not trying to venture a guess either. I'm simply saying his issues and the teams perception of those issues are certainly not known to any of us and every possibility is certainly still on the table.

Yeah.

So, if it's normal for someone to miss a year, year and a half of their life (heck, even 6 months) due to re-hab.........no wonder more common folk don't do it, right?

Oh, wait - common working people do it all the time. See, common people don't have the finances to spend a year, or even 6 months in rehab.

What was Manziel into that he may miss the upcoming season?

We don't know. I believe if you read my post above you'll see that I explained that. It could be as simple as the issues were far more troubling than the team realized and they have made the decision to write Manziel off for the season. It could be that the issue has something to do with his mental state. I certainly don't know and neither do the rest of us.

Soon it will be Manziels 7th week in rehab. That's not entirely common. It would indicate that whatever the issues are, they are certainly serious.

I believe the team would have to believe that he will beat this, be able to mentally work and prepare properly, physically be prepared and learn the system in order to plan with moving forward with him as the starter. I can see why that simply may not happen.

It could happen, but I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't.

Says who?

Did you ever notice that if people "in the know" Won't comment that the media will make a bold statment in the hopes that someone will comment.

this smacks of that

I would say anything is a possibility right now. I'm certainly not taking what Rizzo said as fact, that's for sure. I'm just looking at possible scenarios here.

I don't believe that him coming back as our starter this season as anything written in stone at this point though.

to pit as well.

I think this is a special situation. The minute this kid is out he's going to have reporters in his face all day.

If it was one of us, we get out and go back to work, and work on getting better.

For all we know its more serious than we think. Maybe the bill in the bath-room had more to it. Between that and drinking he's got some work to do.

And i i didn't see the info, but is it saying he won't play, or won't be there. I still think Pettine makes him earn it. I have no problem with a qb sitting and learning. We need to break the cycle that has plagued us for years.

I agree w/Pit in that while we may not trust the source, will ANY of you really be surprised if JM doesn't play this year?

I agree. It's not like it's far fetched.

As a matter of fact, you could probably make an argument that it is expected.