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Bowe, Hartline, Hawkins, and Gabriel is not a bad group of wide receivers. I think this at least means we don't have to force a wide receiver pick.

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well one can only hope he is over his drug problem right?


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Originally Posted By: DIEHARD
0 Touchdowns last year.
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The whole team/offense had no passing touchdowns. Probably more an issue with the offensive unit as solely Bowe, but yeah Ouch...

No throwing tds? Ouch. I didn't pay any attention so I cant/won't speak or speculate what the deal was.

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0 Touchdowns last year.
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The whole team/offense had no passing touchdowns. Probably more an issue with the offensive unit as solely Bowe, but yeah Ouch...

No throwing tds? Ouch. I didn't pay any attention so I cant/won't speak or speculate what the deal was.


Just to clarify, their TDs had no receiving TDs. They had TEs and RBs who had receiving TDs.

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Who's going to throw him the ball?


The Quarterback.


We have one of those....frickin awesome!


We actually have three! tongue Lookout world, Super Bowl here we come!



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With our Top 5 WR's we have 8 TD's between all of them.

Beckham had 12
Bryant had 16
Cobb had 12
Brown had 13

18 WR's in the NFL last year had the same or more TD's than our top 5.


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Wide receiver TDs is a very fungible skill. I don't think it correlates very heavily with being a good wide receiver.

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Originally Posted By: superbowldogg
With our Top 5 WR's we have 8 TD's between all of them.

Beckham had 12
Bryant had 16
Cobb had 12
Brown had 13

18 WR's in the NFL last year had the same or more TD's than our top 5.




We also had the 4th most rushing TD in the NFL. We chose to run the ball in from down close, rather than throwing it in.


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Bowe, Hartline, Hawkins, and Gabriel is not a bad group of wide receivers. I think this at least means we don't have to force a wide receiver pick.


Don't forget Benji. He seemed to improve last year, hanging onto the ball. He's definitely a burner.


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Now we have another target for Phillip Rivers!! Yea!........ nanner

I still would draft DL at 12 and WR at 19!

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Jimmy Haslam, “I think you’ll see us playing less in free agency.”

And so it is.

Just another reason they'll feel there's no need to draft a WR high in the draft.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Jimmy Haslam, “I think you’ll see us playing less in free agency.”

And so it is.

Just another reason they'll feel there's no need to draft a WR high in the draft.


Free agency to fill offensive needs and the draft to fill defensive needs.


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...very wishful thinking should Benjamin make the team.

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Yep, we filled our O needs all right. lol


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could Bowe be worse than Gordon was the last few games last season?

I mean Gordon didn't try one bit, nor did he affect the games. In fact, we seemed to have more offensive chemistry without him


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could Bowe be worse than Gordon was the last few games last season?

I mean Gordon didn't try one bit, nor did he affect the games. In fact, we seemed to have more offensive chemistry without him


even if he did not play at all it would be a improvement on gordon.


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Dewayne Bowe.....nothing to get all that excited about, but he is a big target, which we needed. In the scheme of this a decent signing. Fills a void at this point which is what FA is all about.

I have a feeling we will address the position more during the draft. With 10 picks I would assume we can't keep selecting everything but a wide out.


Not that I am one of those who think you need to draft receivers early to get a good one.


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I do not think that this signing changes the fundamental need to draft a WR or 2 to challenge the other team. Benji is the only one that scares the opponents, but he does not go over the middle.


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Glad they got someone. Maybe a change of scenery will be good for him. I still would like to see the Browns go after a WR in the draft.


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We should still draft a WR in the first round. But I also believe we'll get several wins "Somewhere over Dwayne Bowe".

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All I know about Bowe, is he will fight for the ball, and he don't drop them. If he gives us 700 yards, Ill be happy.


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Originally Posted By: ChargerDawg
I do not think that this signing changes the fundamental need to draft a WR or 2 to challenge the other team. Benji is the only one that scares the opponents, but he does not go over the middle.




I agree, and think most would as well. What it does do is fill a void in the roster as we head in to the draft. That is the ideal position to be as the draft comes around. It isn't a good spot to head in to the draft with a burning need at any one position. No doubt we would like to bolster the position as we do other positions. This way we aren't forced in to having to draft 2-3 receivers hoping to fill a void.

Bowe, while not a long term fix is good enough to plug in right now and at least give us good results.


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So all in all a pretty successful FA signing period for Farmer. Two tall WRs who can play our X & Z we have 2 talented small WRs in Hawkins and Gabriel...Benjamin if he is over the big hit he took can become good. Again nobody won a Championship because of their WRs. You need a good Corp I think we got 5 solid going into the draft.

DT our concern was improving our Run Stopping. Starks a veteran and well respected for his Run D - hopefully has a year or two left.

CB We didn't wish to rely on the development of a young CB so we went out and got one who could start. One who wasn't just on teams one who started for years and made the Pro Bowl. Who still has legs although nearing the end of his career. But was said (before we signed him) to have at least 2 years left in him of quality starts.

We gained 3-4 picks in the 2016 draft. Still TE a possibility although we got 2 who played for us last year on our Roster. The guy we lost hardly did play.

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Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan
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With our Top 5 WR's we have 8 TD's between all of them.

Beckham had 12
Bryant had 16
Cobb had 12
Brown had 13

18 WR's in the NFL last year had the same or more TD's than our top 5.




We also had the 4th most rushing TD in the NFL. We chose to run the ball in from down close, rather than throwing it in.


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well one can only hope he is over his drug problem right?


If you think a Water Pill and a speeding ticket with a passenger that was carrying weed is a problem. I think he can keep all that under control.
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Again another regime is not even going after difference makers
In free agency.
Can anyone say with a straight face that a McCown to Bowe is a dangerous
Threat?
If your looking for a fantasy point producer at WR\QB..I would not look
In Cleveland.
This reminds me of the Delhomme signing. Cause only the Browns were pursuing
Either.
Nobody was getting in line to sign Bowe and his 0 TDS.
The Browns should have went after Kenny Stills who the Saints are dangling.
Naw it's too much to ask Farmer to go after FAS with upside

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If your looking for a fantasy point producer at WR\QB..I would not look In Cleveland.

explains a lot.


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...very wishful thinking should Benjamin make the team.


That's what they said last year. Do you think he won't make the final roster because Kevin Cone, Marion Moore or Phil Bates will beat him out?


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I'm just saying you have to score points and move the chains.
The idea of bringing in a WR who had no TDS in 2014 in a league where the rules favor the WR doesn't inspire me.and this was the go to guy in KC.
meanwhile the Chiefs upgraded with Maclin.
which team improved at WR more..the Browns or Chiefs?

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I'm just saying you have to score points and move the chains.
The idea of bringing in a WR who had no TDS in 2014 in a league where the rules favor the WR doesn't inspire me.and this was the go to guy in KC.
meanwhile the Chiefs upgraded with Maclin.
which team improved at WR more..the Browns or Chiefs?


I would say the browns actually improved more:

Bowe to Maclin - good improvement

no one to Bowe - great improvement ( Austin with his bad kidney appears to be done)

Now Maclin is still better than Bowe but Cleveland actually improved more


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No Josh Gordon for the entire year is addition by subtraction. Josh is a helluva talent for sure. However, last year he was a distraction. In the 6 games he was eligible to play in (yes, I am including the final game), the numbers for the passing game went down. The qbs got worse, Hawkins, Gabriel, etc all saw their numbers dip.

One could say that the qb numbers dropped due to trying to force the ball to Gordon or the league caught on etc. However, the drop in production from the receivers was not due to Gordon picking up the slack so to speak.

Overall I felt that Gordon was a major distraction last year and was not worth it.

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IMO, Gordon gave about as much effort trying to catch and fight for the ball as a cow pissing on a flat rock. I was never really a believer in the Gordon and the no effort gossip that's been written about him until last season. I thought he said he was going to do something "special" when really, as stated, the offense declined even more with him.

My passion and hope for Josh has virtually evaporated.

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Why would you care about fantasy stuff.


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Dwayne Bowe is a good signing. He may not be great but he is good and his presence improves our receiving core.

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I'm just saying why would sign a WR who can no longer be a viable threat in the endzone?
The fact that no other team was interested in him says alot.
This offense is going to yet again average under 20 pts
A game and people are okay with it.
Find me a playoff team and I will show you a offense that can put up 23.0 pts per game.

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Originally Posted By: Iluvmyxstripper
I'm just saying why would sign a WR who can no longer be a viable threat in the endzone?
The fact that no other team was interested in him says alot.
This offense is going to yet again average under 20 pts
A game and people are okay with it.
Find me a playoff team and I will show you a offense that can put up 23.0 pts per game.


Let's exam this a little


We are a run first team if I understand what Flip and Pet want to do. WHy is it important if he is or isn't an End Zone threat? Besides, the two VERY good things about Bowe is that he fights for the ball and he doesn't drop much.

Is it really a fact that no other team wanted him or is that your belief based on what exactly?

Is this offense going to actually average under 20 points a game? Or is that your belief? You haven't seen the finished product yet have you? I haven't so I just wondered how you know this as a fact.

And I don't know anyone that would be ok with that by the way.

I will not research any of the playoff teams. I'll just agree with you that playoff teams score more than 23pts per game..

So tell me again, why I or anyone should worry about fantasy football when discussing real football?


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Originally Posted By: Iluvmyxstripper
I'm just saying why would sign a WR who can no longer be a viable threat in the endzone?
The fact that no other team was interested in him says alot.
This offense is going to yet again average under 20 pts
A game and people are okay with it.
Find me a playoff team and I will show you a offense that can put up 23.0 pts per game.


So he didn't get a touchdown last year so he's no longer a threat to score?

Buh?

In 2006, Randy Moss scored 3 touchdowns- lowest total of his career. The next he scored 23.

In 1982, Steve Largent scored 3 touchdowns- lowest total of his career. Over the next two years, he scored 12 and 13.

In 1988, James Lofton scored no touchdowns. Over the next 4 seasons, he scored over 20.

Last year, Travis Benjamin scored as many touchdowns as Andre Johnson....does this mean Travis Benjamin is an equal red zone threat to Andre Johnson?

The chiefs didn;t have a single WR score a touchdown last year. It's just circumstance. A single year with no touchdowns or less touchdowns than normal doesn't mean he can't score anymore.

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Dwayne Bowe is a good signing. He may not be great but he is good and his presence improves our receiving core.


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Originally Posted By: Iluvmyxstripper
The idea of bringing in a WR who had no TDS in 2014 in a league where the rules favor the WR doesn't inspire me.


The relevant point here would be knowing how many "would be" TD passes he dropped in 2014

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