This great Nation of ours has had God's blessing from the beginning as we overcame the worlds superpowers and created a great land where we were free to worshiped His name freely. As time went by, our Nation has turned away from God's teachings and has become less moral. Sin is now a right, life and death of our children has become an economic decision and good people are punished for trying to keep our most favored Nation status with our Lord.
Just so I understand you...
At the beginning, when we were enslaving and exterminating races, and people were property, we had God's blessing?
But now as we move into modernity and reason, he's getting angry?
This great Nation of ours has had God's blessing from the beginning as we overcame the worlds superpowers and created a great land where we were free to worshiped His name freely. As time went by, our Nation has turned away from God's teachings and has become less moral. Sin is now a right, life and death of our children has become an economic decision and good people are punished for trying to keep our most favored Nation status with our Lord.
Just so I understand you...
At the beginning, when we were enslaving and exterminating races, and people were property, we had God's blessing?
But now as we move into modernity and reason, he's getting angry?
This great Nation of ours has had God's blessing from the beginning as we overcame the worlds superpowers and created a great land where we were free to worshiped His name freely. As time went by, our Nation has turned away from God's teachings and has become less moral. Sin is now a right, life and death of our children has become an economic decision and good people are punished for trying to keep our most favored Nation status with our Lord.
Just so I understand you...
At the beginning, when we were enslaving and exterminating races, and people were property, we had God's blessing?
But now as we move into modernity and reason, he's getting angry?
God sounds like a hateful moron.
PDR is on a role today... lol
To be fair, a special needs sixth grader who eats paint chips for lunch could've taken the piss out of that one with ease.
That may be the least thought out, poorly constructed argument I've ever seen here.
"We were God's favorite country when we had slaves, and you could beat your wife, and we exterminated races, and blacks couldn't play sports or use drinking fountains. But this gay stuff...starting to tick him off."
The world according to the unbeliever is a far different world from what God concerns Himself with. Their ignorance of our Lord's ways really shows with these comments. They don't even realize the fact that when God lead the Jews to the promised land, there were already people living there, and those people had to go. Battles were fought. Some were killed, some became slaves. God does as he wishes, whether or not we agree with Him does not matter.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
The world according to the unbeliever is a far different world from what God concerns Himself with.
Alright, let's frame this in the view of a believer. Let's pretend for argument's sake that God is real, and Jesus died on the cross and rose.
Why were we God's favorite country when we enslaved people, and black people and women were property, and we committed mass genocide against the Natives...
...but now he's starting to dislike us?
Can you explain the logic of that to me? Why did he give us His blessing to murder slaves if they disobeyed, but he's getting angry because we're not letting store owners refuse to sell two hungry gays pizza?
This isn't a case of a philosophical rift between believers and nonbelievers. This is you making an ignorant argument.
If I were Christian, and I read what you said, I'd palm my forehead and mutter 'stuff like this makes us look like idiots'.
The world according to the unbeliever is a far different world from what God concerns Himself with.
Alright, let's frame this in the view of a believer. Let's pretend for argument's sake that God is real, and Jesus died on the cross and rose.
Why were we God's favorite country when we enslaved people, and black people and women were property, and we committed mass genocide against the Natives...
...but now he's starting to dislike us?
Can you explain the logic of that to me? Why did he give us His blessing to murder slaves if they disobeyed, but he's getting angry because we're not letting store owners refuse to sell two hungry gays pizza?
This isn't a case of a philosophical rift between believers and nonbelievers. This is you making an ignorant argument.
If I were Christian, and I read what you said, I'd palm my forehead and mutter 'stuff like this makes us look like idiots'.
No, what really makes some of us look like idiots is saying let's pretend for argument's sake that God is real....blah...blah...blah. In addition to that, the above post by Swish fits that category as well. Perhaps a perfect example of what weed can do to one's thinking.
So you think you are on a thinking level with God? One can only understand how God sees things through what he has revealed to us through scripture. It is a waste of time to try to teach you scripture now. Read and learn if you want to know God, or just run your mouth about things you have no clue about. Your choice.
The world according to the unbeliever is a far different world from what God concerns Himself with.
Alright, let's frame this in the view of a believer. Let's pretend for argument's sake that God is real, and Jesus died on the cross and rose.
Why were we God's favorite country when we enslaved people, and black people and women were property, and we committed mass genocide against the Natives...
...but now he's starting to dislike us?
Can you explain the logic of that to me? Why did he give us His blessing to murder slaves if they disobeyed, but he's getting angry because we're not letting store owners refuse to sell two hungry gays pizza?
This isn't a case of a philosophical rift between believers and nonbelievers. This is you making an ignorant argument.
If I were Christian, and I read what you said, I'd palm my forehead and mutter 'stuff like this makes us look like idiots'.
No, what really makes some of us look like idiots is saying let's pretend for argument's sake that God is real....blah...blah...blah. In addition to that, the above post by Swish fits that category as well. Perhaps a perfect example of what weed can do to one's thinking.
crazy to think i still maintain a top secret clearance, right?
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
So you think you are on a thinking level with God? One can only understand how God sees things through what he has revealed to us through scripture. It is a waste of time to try to teach you scripture now. Read and learn if you want to know God, or just run your mouth about things you have no clue about. Your choice.
You're deflecting from the fact that you tried to make a ridiculously ignorant argument.
I will re-post the text.
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This great Nation of ours has had God's blessing from the beginning as we overcame the worlds superpowers and created a great land where we were free to worshiped His name freely. As time went by, our Nation has turned away from God's teachings and has become less moral. Sin is now a right, life and death of our children has become an economic decision and good people are punished for trying to keep our most favored Nation status with our Lord.
Why were we God's favorites when we kept slaves, but now he's getting angry because we let gays marry or eat food in public venues?
So you think you are on a thinking level with God? One can only understand how God sees things through what he has revealed to us through scripture. It is a waste of time to try to teach you scripture now. Read and learn if you want to know God, or just run your mouth about things you have no clue about. Your choice.
i'm sure a lot of people believe they aren't on the same thinking level as God, as they might believe there's no such thing as God in the first place.
When you're arguing a religious perspective to somebody who isn't religious, you're wasting your time.
So in this instance, when religious people tell gays they can't marry because "bible", and some gays aren't religious.....then that nonsense doesn't apply to them, and thus you need to find another reason to support your reasoning as to why.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Excellent points. So does this mean Christians feel slavery is or was exceptable?
"exceptable"? Yes, I think most would say that - if it is a word.
"Acceptable"? No, I don't think people would say it was acceptable.
Question for you though, or anyone else: Why is it, when slavery comes up, it seems everyone blames America? Are people not aware that America didn't invent slavery? Are people not aware that most European countries had some sort of slavery? Are people not aware that Africans had slavery? Are people not aware that it was Africans that captured Africans in order to sell them?
Are people not aware that slavery still exists?
And why the special notation of "Christians"? Weird, when muslams did the same thing, and probably still do. Weird how only America, and Christians, come into play over slavery.
Question for you though, or anyone else: Why is it, when slavery comes up, it seems everyone blames America? Are people not aware that America didn't invent slavery? Are people not aware that most European countries had some sort of slavery? Are people not aware that Africans had slavery? Are people not aware that it was Africans that captured Africans in order to sell them?
This is called rationalization.
It's a thought process brilliantly depicted in the character of Walter White on "Breaking Bad". He's a man you root for at first, and he does awful and insane things in the name of being in a jam, and you understand the rationalizations at first, and can identify, but after awhile, you just say 'screw it, evil'.
The question is "Why is it, when slavery comes up, it seems everyone blames America?"...I'm sorry, but that's a laughably stupid question.
People blame America for slavery because we enslaved people for hundreds of years.
Excellent points. So does this mean Christians feel slavery is or was exceptable?
"exceptable"? Yes, I think most would say that - if it is a word.
"Acceptable"? No, I don't think people would say it was acceptable.
Question for you though, or anyone else: Why is it, when slavery comes up, it seems everyone blames America? Are people not aware that America didn't invent slavery? Are people not aware that most European countries had some sort of slavery? Are people not aware that Africans had slavery? Are people not aware that it was Africans that captured Africans in order to sell them?
Are people not aware that slavery still exists?
And why the special notation of "Christians"? Weird, when muslams did the same thing, and probably still do. Weird how only America, and Christians, come into play over slavery.
1. we aren't talking about muslims, we are talking about Christians. 2. we aren't talking about Africa, we are talking about America.
Wanna talk about how the rest of the world views slavery? then we need to live there, then we can complain about them and compare and contrast.
the simple fact is this: Slavery didn't even start off as slavery. it started off as indentured servitude. this is why the first slave owner in america was a black dude. he owned other blacks and white "slaves". basically, in exchange for labor, it was contract-based, meaning they gave labor in exchange for the owner teaching them a trade. Some contracts lasted 8-10 years, or longer if requirements weren't meant.
overtime, whites started taking over completely, and thus decided they were superior, justifying their reasoning behind enslaving blacks.
wanna know more? no? Imma tell you anyway.
See, even during the swap from indentured servitude to slavery, the common practice was anybody who was christian couldn't become a slave, unless it was a punishment for a crime. Which was why there were free blacks up until 1667, when the assembly in Virginia drafted and passed a bill saying that baptism no longer granted blacks immunity in slavery, sighting passages in the bible saying blacks were descendants of Ham, and thus were brought forth by god to be enslaved by whites.
There's your history lesson. Might wanna learn the history when debating topics like this. I can school you guys for DAYS.
so why do we bring up slavery as an example? because just like NOW, christianity is being used as a tool to justify bigotry and straight up discrimination, like it has over. and over. and over again.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Thank you for correcting my spelling. Yes you are correct. Africans did sell slaves as well as Muslims, but if Christians were so morally evolved, why did they get involved in the slave trade in the first place? Especially after converting blacks to Christianity? If Blacks were truly brothers/Sisters in Christ how could they kill, beat, and rape fellow Christians? Even Jesus is on record advocating slavery. Slaves around the world actually had opportunities to one day be free. That was next to impossible in early America.
Indeed, Europe had slaves also, but eradicated it much sooner than in America. In addition, most countries had nothing that resembled segregation.
Yes, there is also slavery today. You are spot on. Have you ever met a slave?
My time would be better spent teaching an ape to sing.
It's a simple question.
Why were we God's favorites when we kept slaves, but now he's getting angry because we let gays marry or eat food in public venues?
It would take no less than 2-10 minutes to answer. Pretend I'm a second grader. Explain in the simplest terms possible.
Ok, here goes. Slavery back in old testament days was much preferred to being dead. When one group conquered another, the conquered had a choice of death or slavery. Most chose slavery. God had rules on how to treat a slave and to be unjust was a sin. So, God allows for slavery. Bet you judge Him harshly on that one!
Next. You tell me something to show your great wisdom. I will wait while you research it. Why did Moses cover his face after returning from the mountain with God's Ten Commandments?
Ah, so, American slavery was worse than other countries slavery. American slavery was worse than what currently goes on. Got it.
As for Christians possibly being "morally" evolved and "why did they do it"? I don't know. Ask one of them I guess.
No, to my knowledge, I've not met a slave (other than people that are slaves to their job due in large part to the desire to have more and more and more. Hey, I'm a slave to my job. But no, I don't get beaten, I don't have food withheld from me, etc)
Europe hasn't ended slavery to this day. Neither have numerous African countries. And, possibly even the u.s.
See, a perfect example of someone who has no clue what he is talking about. Every Christian knows the answer to that one. You guys crack me up with how ignorant and self assured you are all at the same time.
