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The big difference between us this year, and Washington in 2012 that a lot of people forget..

Cap room.

We have a boat load of it still.. So if we trade multiple picks, we aren't dead in the water when it comes to being able to add new players year to year..

Mike Shanahan has said if he knew the NFL was going to fine them 36 million on their cap, he probably wouldn't have made the trade for Griffin..

If they choose to give up 12, 19, and future picks for Mariota.. It's not like we won't be able to add anyone else in the future..

Ron Jaworski thinks the Bucs are taking Marcus Mariota first

Posted by Darin Gantt on April 13, 2015, 9:18 AM EDT
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ESPN analyst Ron Jaworski was already on the record saying he wouldn’t pick Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston first overall.

Now, he’s saying he doesn’t think the Buccaneers will, either.

During an interview with CSN Philly Sports Talk, Jaworski said he thinks the Bucs are going to surprise everyone and take Oregon’s Marcus Mariota.

“The latest I’m hearing now from my sources around the league, who are pretty wired in, is that he’s going to go number one now to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,” Jaworski said, via PhillyMag.com. “Mariota’s stock, remember it was quiet for a while? And there’s a reason for that. There’s a lull every year until about 30 days before the draft. Now the coaches get involved. Prior to that, it’s the scouts, it’s the roadies that are filling out the paper work. Now the coaches get involved. Now team owners get involved. Now General Managers get involved. So you’re starting to see, in my opinion, Winston’s stock starting to slide a little bit and Mariota’s stock starting to go up a little bit.”

Perhaps that rise is on the recommendation of Eagles coach Chip Kelly, who is apparently talking up his former quarterback to others in the league.

“I’ll give you a little bit of information on how much Chip Kelly loves Marcus Mariota,” Jaworski said. “This is the time of year when everyone talks, and I talk to General Managers, I’ve talked to player personnel directors, and I’ve heard it from a couple or three people that have had conversations with Chip Kelly, and Chip Kelly said, ‘Marcus Mariota will win multiple Super Bowls in the National Football League.’

“Now, he didn’t say it was going to be in Philadelphia, but that’s how much he loves this guy, and a lot of people feel the same way, that Marcus Mariota is that good that you can win multiple Super Bowls with him as your quarterback.”

Of course, Jaworski is no stranger to taking a contrarian position, and he’s also not paid to be a reporter. But coupled with Mike Mayock’s about-face last week — and the fact the Bucs put it on their own website — it might be smoke that indicates a fire is about to be made with a bunch of mock drafts. PFT

I would ask what your definition of THE GUY is?

What if Mariota is Ryan Tannehill? Ok for a few years, and steadily improves, but that's it?

Because right now I'd love to have Tannehill, because he's a guy that I think you know you're going to win at least 7-9 games with every year, and maybe more..

If you told me that that's what we get with Mariota? Sign me up.. regardless if he ever becomes a "Top 5" QB in the league.. You can still win a SB with him.. (aka 2013-14 Russel Wilson)

Do you consider Ryan Tannehill a Frnchise QB?

Colin Kaepernick?

Andy "Fricken" Dalton?

Because they have won consistently over a 3-4 year period.. From 7-9/9-7.. To making the playoffs every year.. To Conference championships and SB appearances..

But I don't consider them "Franchise QBs" really..

Which is my point, if Mariota at first just gets to that level, is that a terrible thing? Contending for the playoffs every year? All you need is one year, and bam.. You're in the Super Bowl..

And that's not even assuming a guy like Mariota can't get to, and then maybe surpass that level..

Mariota is not Andrew Luck. No one is. You can't sit around waiting for the next Andrew Luck..

I agree with all of that, eotab. I saw plenty of Ducks Games, I'm still not sure about Mariota. There are other QBs that interest me as well.

As a fan, I've become patient. I'm okay with the blockbuster trade. I'd probably prefer waiting to see if he falls and looking for a cheaper deal. If we don't get him or another standout prospect, I'd actually prefer to trade either #12 or #19 for 2016 1st rounder and keep the leverage for that 99% GUY. That's me as a fan, thinking long-term.

But if I was the GM, I would be in risk-it-mode. I think that's why we ended up with Richardson/Weeden and Johnny Football. Its the mentality our owners have created: Win Now.

I would also like to point out, in regards to all this Tampa Bay considering Mariota talk..

I think it's bogus.

I think it's correct that they may have soured on the idea of taking Winston..

IMO though, I think they see all this talk about people trading up for Mariota, and want to get in on the action..

If I'm TB and Tenn, I trade out to the highest bidder, because they need a lot, and all they are going to do is probably ruin these QBs...

I'm just annoyed that there seems to be a general idea that you can just sit around and wait for the next prospect that only comes out every 20 years..

You have to find A GUY. That you hope can become THE GUY.

Tampa has always had a hard time with their fan base. Winston being FSU really helps them with tickets and merchandise. Lots of FSU fans in that market. They need the QB, he's the obvious #1.

Plus the backlash if they pass on Winston and he plays well. I think its a no-brainer for them. I'll be shocked if they trade or go for Mariota.

Getting Winston out of Florida might be the best thing for him though..

true, true, true!

I always picture Manziel in the Seattle Russel Wilson offense..

Great running game, play action, roll outs.. Let him see the field outside the pocket, and have the option to run if nothing's there.. All the while working in pocket passes as he gets more comfortable staying in it..

I think he can be successful doing that.

Going into 2015. I think they have McCown tabbed as the starter, unless someone else surprises them.

I think McCown can be successful, to the degree, if not more than, that Hoyer was weeks 1-10 last season.

I would love to grab Bryce Petty if he's there in the 3rd or 4th.

We have options. They are not perfect. But they are not as terrible as some would seem to believe..

That says it all. So if Mariota or Winston is there, you almost have to take either. Although, you have to wonder, what did teams ahead of you see that caused them to pass. Especially since several of those teams are in dire need of a QB.

You say this in your first line:



You end w/this crap:



That wasn't condescending? Pfffttt...

And don't make crap up about my opinion. Where the hell did I say that they don't have more and better information than we do? I have actually said that they do have access to better information than we do and that is one of the reasons I can't believe they drafted JM in the the first place.

Humanism? LOL........you sure didn't come across that way on the Manziel thread in the Pure Football forum.

Look, Farmer and company blew last year's first round. Big time. I would not have blown it, thus.........I don't have blind faith in them. You don't like that, too bad.

I think we should take a vote on this board on whether they thought that quote was condescending.

I suspect if 100 posters responded 99 would say that it wasn't condesecnding.

Great, go ahead and make a thread about it. It should help you w/your self esteem issues.

I think you should stop drinking when you post.

Gee, another insult.

I am not drinking. But, what if I was? Would you make fun of me because I have a substance abuse problem? How gutty is that? How humanistic is that?

And if you really feel the need to take a poll of the posters on this board for the sole purpose of making me look bad.......then the problem is w/you, not me.

Who would even think of such a thing? Seriously? You might want to examine your own intentions. "Hey guys, let's gang up and make Vers look bad." WTH is your issue?

I don't need to do anything to make you look bad. 3 out of every 4 of your posts do that for you...and that's probably being generous.

W8FN I'm sure doesn't need me to stand up for him, but he's been a great addition to the board with an even keel and balanced approach to things.

Your inate desire to read things that don't exist either mean you're purposely trolling everyone for a reaction or you're not very bright. Or maybe both.

Thanks Rish.

You are a swell guy.

Puke! I really hope the Browns don't trade two #1's for a QB. If they are going to get one, I would rather see a QB in the later rounds.

I actually liked Marcus Mariota in last years draft (when we selected Manziel) And I didn't look up his numbers but I do believe he played even better this last year as well...I wouldn't mind if we drafted him as this years QB market was very bleek all around (FA and in the draft)

But then again at what cost to move up to grab him...obviously going to cost a lot...and not going to lie it scares me how heisman trophy QBs translate to the NFL...But I do believe he's a different form than them...We can all agree we need QB help nonetheless

Costs, that's the major issue. I wish JF didn't piss away and flop his first season as we'd have a better idea what type of Qb he is n can be, giving more insight on how crucial it is to replace him.

I love Mariota's work ethic and clear passion for the game. I would rather have him, as of now, than JF. Just hard to justify at least the two first round picks it'll cost to get him.

Sucks being in this situation. Thank you Manziel. If you had played even just somewhat decent, having given the least amount of faith you can play at this level, we'd be talking about what Qb we'd wanna think about in the later rounds, and maybe if at all!

Rumor has it that the Chargers are considering a move up to pick 2 with a trade centered around Phillip Rivers. If he is on the table, we have no chance at trading for Mariota.

Perhaps it is your self-esteem issues that need help, because I cannot see anything condescending in that post at all. If you're seeing something, please share it with us and WHY you think it is condescending to you.

Dawg...I completely agree...Shame what happened with Manziel and we only saw a little peak of his play, which wasn't pretty...Then again I guess Manziel deserves more of a look since Weeden got what 2 years of playing time...I think Manziel should get at least one year as a starter...Idk how good he'll ever be. I thought he reminded me of former Kansas State QB Michael Bishop...I just don't see much in his NFL skills...But considering we spent a first round pick on him, they better take a good look at him...

Just think if we didn't draft Manziel or a QB last year...everyone would be wanting Mariota this year...which I recall a lot here liked Mariota last year as well, just didn't declare. Yeah considering we will be trading a ransoms worth of picks just to move up anywhere...Heck even the Rams will play hard ball with us if he lasts to #10 (doubt he slides) Considering at #12 we could have Danny Shelton DT maybe even at #19 OT Erick Flowers round 2 possibly OLB Eli Harold...is it worth trading all those guys away and possibly more picks? I'm not sure, and I won't blame the Browns for deciding not to turn over all those draft picks to move up...

But watch... The Browns will draft Dupree and Perriman in the first round and I will throw my end table into my TV...again haha

If we give up the farm to do this I may end up throwing my tv off my balcony.

Slick I thought the same...but then realize we will draft busts anyways with those picks...might as well have one bust then 5 busts hahaha

Lol nice......

Still....we just used a first round pick on a QB last year,yes he is a knucklehead. ..but how ridiculous would farmer look wasting multiple 1st round picks on a QB 2 years in a row

If he thinks Manziel can't play or is not trustworthy, how can he not be interested in a QB?

I don't understand why people are giving Farmer such a hard time about drafting "busts".

Justin Gilbert was clearly a Mike Pettine pick, one that could still workout. Gilbert may have been a bone head off the field but his play did slowly improve last season. I still have confidence he can develop and turn into a good corner. Not all rookie CB's flourish from the word go.

Johnny Manziel. I think it's pretty damn clear at this point that he was a 100% Jimmy Haslam pick. He's a bust until he proves other wise.

Ray Farmer actually did a pretty nice job finding us talent last year.

-Joel Bitonio
-Taylor Gabriel
-Isaiah Crowell (spelling?)
-K'Wuan Williams
-Terrance West

Those were five rookies who contributed immediately last year and played very well.

-Chris Kirksey
-Pierre Desire
-Justin Gilbert
-Connor Shaw

Three of those four played a lot (excluding Shaw) and showed a lot of progress AND promise as the year went along.

When your GM finds you that many rookies who contribute to a 7-9 team, you're in a good spot.

I have faith in Ray Farmer.

+1

Ignoring all the logic and stuff in your post.. That just means you're a homer who obviously hated all the other regimes and only likes this one..

Or is it every other regime?

Sorry I forgot how that works..

TG, should that be in purple?

78.3% of things I say are sarcasm.. And when I lay it on thick enough, I don't feel the need for purple.. If someone can't tell, that's their problem..

Also, 57.4% of statistics are made up on the spot..