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But that's only true of half of them.

Yeah, I dig on this post Kelso.

Some more fuel to throw onto it.

Two of those big dogs (Crow and Williams) were undrafted, so not only score but extra score.

We have quality, solid and IMO, beyond excellent competition at #2 corner (this is assuming that K'uan locks up the nickel corner spot which I highly doubt anyone would care to argue about that.). Ignoring the free agent Williams, which I'm not saying won't be a factor in the battle, but since we're talking draft - it'll be quite interesting to see the Gilbert and Desir battle unfold there throughout camp and etc.

I never once supported signing of JF - but even with that and how that has thus far unfolded, I'm going into this draft with just some "faith" that we (Farmer and company) can acquire the needed talent to help upgrade our roster, both starting and depth wise and however in doing so, we will be a better team talent wise than last year. Farmer fails on this draft, with the textgate fiasco, things will get extremely ugly. Especially if he bombs again on the first round picks and even more so if Gilbert becomes yet another forgotten body on the team because someone else is getting the start.

All JMO

That's just some crazy math I'm not prepared for..

But what if it's Desir?

Its easy, 2+2=54.7% of the total number of 1st round draft picks needed to hit the jackpot.

Fourth round selection over a high first round selection - it's still painful and unfortunately, a topic that media would indulge over if bashing Farmer was the goal at hand. IMO I don't think Desir or Gilbert will be playing next year baring no injury to the FA Williams but we'll see.

Your probably right can we put him on special teams and not let him in to the qb meetings.Maybe suffering three injuries this year would keep him out of trouble.

Fair enough............but he said my post was condescending. Please share w/me what I said that was so condescending and then we can compare the two.

If we give up the farm to do this I may end up throwing myself off my balcony......

Lol

Considering where we were when Farmer started, the number of holes all over the roster and all the knuckleheaded knuckleballs and injuries last year, I think we did well in some areas. I expected FO problems, coaching mess-ups, but overall, yes I trust them going forward. No mistake or arguments over last season now count. If all any of us can use is hindsight, perfect and 20/20, to reliably predict the future, or to guarantee doom, well, I won't buy it. Think I will just "fan-up" as best I can. After all, with the new unis and logo stuff, what could go wrong?

Cheer up! Brayin' Edwards will be waiting to catch you!

What could possibly go wrong?

j/c

Mariota just got hyped with all those jersey combos. It'll still be like playing for the Ducks in 2015.

Bwhahahahahaha

Just in case nobody posted this as of yet:


'Cleveland Browns not working out Marcus Mariota privately or hosting him, but they already know him well'

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss..._social_feature

By Mary Kay Cabot, Northeast Ohio Media Group on April 16, 2015 at 1:45 PM, updated April 16, 2015 at 3:01 PM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- If the Browns are planning to try to trade up for Marcus Mariota, they're doing a good job of hiding it.

They haven't lined up a private workout with the Heisman Trophy winner and will not bring him to Cleveland as one of their 30 allotted pre-draft visits, a league source told Northeast Ohio Media Group.

At this point, it would be highly unusual for a team to request a last-minute workout.

But if you think no workout or visit means the Browns won't go after him on draft day April 30, guess again. The Browns have been big on Mariota since last year and will likely make a strong pitch for him on draft day.

Owners of the No. 12 and No. 19 overall picks, the Browns know more about Mariota than most NFL teams because their new quarterbacks coach, Kevin O'Connell, spent several months before the NFL combine in February preparing Mariota for the pre-draft process.

"We're in the fortunate circumstance that our quarterback coach trained him before he became our quarterback coach,'' said Pettine. "We probably have a little bit better information about him than some others do.''

In fact, it was O'Connell who ran Mariota's pro day at Oregon March 12 in front of representatives of all 32 teams. He's a leading authority on Mariota, and Mariota stressed at the combine that he'd love to be reunited in Cleveland with his tutor.

"That would be an awesome opportunity,'' said Mariota. "I'd love to play for the Browns. ... (O'Connell) really helped me adjust to the pro game. I was very blessed to have him as my quarterbacks coach.''

The Browns actually haven't conducted private workouts with many quarterbacks in this draft. They did work out Colorado State's Garrett Grayson, whom some consider the draft's third-best quarterback behind Jameis Winston and Mariota. But they haven't worked out UCLA's Brett Hundley or Baylor's Bryce Petty. Like Mariota, Petty worked with O'Connell in the months leading up to the combine.

At the NFL annual meeting last month, coach Mike Pettine said O'Connell told him that Mariota is very advanced mentally and would have no trouble adjusting to a pro scheme.

"This was a guy that I think understood coming in from the system that he was playing in that that's not similar to potentially a lot of systems that he would be playing in, in the league,'' Pettine said. "He understood that and addressed it and that's one of the reasons that he worked with Kevin because Kevin understands more of the offensive structure that he's going to have to play in.

"He attacked a weakness. And I think even though he hasn't played in a system like that, that if you got him on the board with it, everybody that's had him on the board said he's just blown them away just because of how he's essentially turned that weakness into a strength."

Mariota, whom the Browns hoped would come out last year when they had the No. 4 overall pick, could go as high as No. 1 or No. 2 overall. The Rams, who own the No. 10 overall pick, are working him out at Oregon today, and the Chargers, who own the No. 17 overall pick, worked him out Wednesday.

Many teams are rumored to be interesting in trading up for Mariota, including the Browns and Eagles, who's head coach, Chip Kelly, coached Mariota at Oregon.

Although the Bucs seemed poised to draft Winston No. 1 overall, some experts think they will draft Mariota instead. Plenty of others believed he'll go No. 2 to the Titans.

The Browns will begin working again Monday with Johnny Manziel, who's fresh out of in-patient rehab, and they have Josh McCown as their bridge quarterback for 2015.

But you can bet they'll make a concerted effort to land Mariota regardless of which team they have to call.



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I do believe they will pursue all potential avenues for a trade, but not if the cost is prohibitive...

No need to work him out, our Qb coach was with him there for awhile before accepting the position.

j/c

One thing stands out here. As owner and deciding to part with Manziel, do I not want to be a little more thorough getting this right? Relying my QB coach is on the same page seems a bit risky. Trading up getting Mariota is a big investment especially after I missed on Manziel. Thus, I think this is a smokescreen. I also look at who is reporting.

The irony is after the first round, when we get a bad "grade" for a "boring" selection of a DL and OL..

Most of us will be happy..

I wouldn't be.

Make the defense a dominant unit by adding a couple of top players high in this draft. Add weapons on offense if you don't go defense. Adding an OL in the 1st round makes no sense at all, unless you already have a trade worked out for someone. We have excellent players from LT to RG. We have an above average RT.

There was a day where the RT could just maul people, because the pass rush came, predominantly, from the other side of the field. That has changed, as DCs spend every spare moment they have thinking about how to bring pressure from everywhere. The RT today has to be more LT than mauler. There are not enough plus level T to play the left side int he NFL today, so if you have a great LT and an above average RT, then you are doing pretty well.

We are doing pretty well. Our OL was a force to be reckoned with when everyone was healthy. Hopefully we keep everyone healthy this year, but teams cannot invest highly in fear of an injury. That would be alike a team with a good young QB, but nothing in the secondary, saying "Gee, we better invest in another QB in the 1st in case our starter gets hurt".

Further, OL is not a position like almost every other position, (except QB) where a backup player can still have a role on offense or defense in substitution packages. A backup OL will sit on the bench unless there is an injury. (unless they play special teams)

If a team has 5 quality starters on their OL, they are doing pretty well. We are doing extremely well with the 5 we have.

If we go run stuffing DL, and then an outside pass rusher in the 1st, then I will be happy. We can add OL depth later in the draft.

espn stats: Mariota is the Most Accurate QB in This Draft

Before last year’s draft, ESPN Stats & Information highlighted a stat called standardized completion percentage, which is designed to capture a quarterback’s accuracy better than any traditional statistic.

The premise of the stat is that not all passes are created equal: A screen pass is easier to complete than a 20-yard out route, so a player who throws a lot of screens could have an inflated completion percentage.

Standardized completion percentage gives a quarterback credit for completing those short passes, but the credit he receives depends on how often an average quarterback would throw that pass. At its core, standardized completion percentage is similar to effective field goal percentage in basketball because it accounts for the distance of a quarterback’s pass, just as effective field goal percentage accounts for both 2- and 3-pointers. This stat also eliminates dropped passes and throwaways, because drops are not the quarterback’s fault and throwaways are generally a good decision.

Evaluating the accuracy of NFL draft prospects using traditional completion percentage is nearly impossible because of the varying offenses run in college. Standardized completion percentage not only is a better measurement of accuracy, but it also has been shown to be a superior predictor of NFL success.

In the last three seasons, the top three players in standardized completion percentage entering the draft were Russell Wilson, Robert Griffin III and Teddy Bridgewater. All three have had above-average Total QBRs since entering the NFL and have a combined 56-39 regular-season record.

Meanwhile, among players drafted in the first three rounds since 2011, the bottom three players in standardized completion percentage were Mike Glennon, Geno Smith and EJ Manuel. Those players all have below-average QBRs in the NFL and have combined for a 22-39 record.

Looking forward to the 2015 draft class, Marcus Mariota is the most accurate quarterback of the group. He completed 68.3 percent of his passes with an average pass distance of 8.8 yards last year at Oregon. That resulted in a standardized completion percentage of 73.6 percent.

Mariota’s accuracy has been pegged as an area of concern as he transitions to the pros. The numbers do not support this notion. He led all Power 5 quarterbacks in completion percentage on passes thrown 15 yards or longer last season and ranked second in completion percentage from inside the pocket. Although standardized completion percentage does not account for Oregon’s offense and how often Mariota was asked to read defenses, it captures his accuracy on the throws he was asked to make.

Overall, the 2015 class is less accurate than the 2012 or 2014 classes. Mariota has the highest standardized completion percentage of the group, but he ranks behind Wilson, Bridgewater and Andrew Luck when they came out of college. Other accurate quarterbacks in the 2015 class include Kansas State’s Jake Waters (72.6 percent), UCLA’s Brett Hundley (71.6 percent) and Colorado State’s Garrett Grayson (71.0 percent).

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_...ion-of-accuracy
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I'm not big on college stats for QBs, this won't change many opinions. I do think turnovers and INTs are important stats, can't knock Mariota there.

I don't think we need an OL in the first round.

I was just accentuating a "boring" first round with two lineman..

How about WR then DT?

All I know is I hope that Farmer isn't clueless enough to trade up for Mariota.

He could have solved the QB problem last year if had taken Teddy. He passed. I don't give a crap what you guys say, but if had drafted Teddy, we would NOT be discussing QBs this year. We would be discussing weapons.

Now, we might trade two first round picks for a guy who has a similar skill set to the guy we drafted last year? Is this freaking science fiction?

Hopefully, Farmer is setting up a diversion. LOL....not sure why he would, but I am still hoping he isn't as stupid as I think he is.

Vers I usually agree with most of what you say. I think teddy will be a good qb....starting material for sure. However I really think garrapolo might end up being amazing.

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Vers I usually agree with most of what you say. I think teddy will be a good qb....starting material for sure. However I really think garrapolo might end up being amazing. [/quote]

I was one of the few that thought Garrapollo would be the man. the thing is i wanted someone like Hoyer but younger. quick release fast thinker. he broke all of Romo's record's and had a better arm than Hoyer. Sorry i haven't posted much lately, but i can only make Vers spit his coffee out once or twice a yr. remember vers..

I haven't studied Mariota whatsoever.

But if they determine he's a franchise QB, sell out and get him.

Browns QB coach Kevin O'Connell runs Marcus Mariota's Pro Day; Ray Farmer and Mike Pettine will wait for private workout

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/03/browns_qb_coach_kevin_oconnell.html

no need to quote the entire article either

Jake is from State Farm.

Teddy could be solid, but so far this best QB from last year's draft is Derek Carr. 21 TDs, 12 picks for a terrible team. He has a rocket arm and is fundamentally sound. He was the guy we should have grabbed.

It is easy to look back ... hindsight is 20-20

True, Pastor Marc, but I was replying to the pro-Teddy talk. And I really, really did like Carr going into the draft. But I have to be honest, I also was on board when they grabbed Johnny. Hoping it might still work. He was humilated, he addressed his problems and now it is a matter of whether he actually has the talent we thought he had.

I understand Big G, wasn't attacking you its just a fact ...

I totally disagree w/you that Carr played better than Teddy. I think even most of the guys who really supported us drafting him last year would agree w/me on this one.

If you took both guys and stuck them in this years draft, Carr would go first, but Teddy and Jimmy would come off right behind him.