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Close to 100% to one degree or another. About the only ones that aren't are the ones that are still so flagrantly racist that they wish blacks were still slaves.

When dealing with you, 100 percent.

My guestimation would be about 15-20 percent of white people fall into that category.

To me that's silly what Swish said.

My wife who is black trusted me enough to marry me.

Matter fact every black woman/woman who I dated trusted me, then again I had very high standards and didn't date hoodrats.

I hope you don't read anger or anything into my response and I understand your point.

My only point is much of the racism that is discussed these days has very little to do with slavery, except for those arguing for reparations and I myself would rather leave that to the courts.

I also think the discussion really doesn't attempt to call any person a racist. When discussing institutional racism it's more about an imbalance in the system that may or may not be intended to be racial.

IMO

So we should assume 15-20% of people who state racism is not that big of an issue should be labeled "racists"?

No. I would say that 100 percent of people who twist what I really am saying like you just did, are playing games with conversation.

Really? Man I keep hearing at excuse. When will it be over. When will it stop being an excuse.

Yet when I say the same thing about Jews and the holocaust, I go too far, right? You remember the reactions I got for that?

Jews, and Israel? Billions of dollars still.

Blacks? Get over it.

Most of the Jews living today didn't go through ghe holocaust, so why do they keep to themselves, and why do we keep paying Israel.

Shouldn't hey get over it too?

Pit, the civil war WASNT about freeing black people. I've already explained that.

Stop.

and just to make it clear. i'm NOT for restitutions. that's not what i'm arguing.

however, its funny that slaves back in the day didn't get a dime for hundreds of years of that.

yet the japanese people got paid for a few years of being in camps.

the jews are STILL getting paid, and that happened in 1940's. yet the civil right's movement happened in the 60's, and it's "get over it" with blacks, right?

so you're telling me, we gotta get over literally some of the worst stuff that has happened to us in american history, but it's cool to pay some foreign country thats not even remotely close to us, thousands of miles of way, billions of dollars?

and i'm suppose to be ok with that?

I somehow missed this post. All I can say is Yep.

Yes you should be ok with that for your people were given more than all the others, you were given Freedom, Citizenship, the Constitution and Laws to make your lives your own. They made you equals, to do with your lives as you wish.

if we was equals, you think this topic would've been made?

are you that blind?

I don't plan on wading into this too deep but where is the whole payments to Israel thing coming into play?

i explained it before.

because of the holocaust, jews got gift-wrapped their own country.

and for decades, we've been giving israel 3 billion dollars, PLUS weapons, a year.

that happened in the 40's. the holocaust.

civil rights happened in the 60's.

I'm not asking why we didn't get paid. i'm not for that. i'm asking why it's ok to treat jews, whose thousands of miles away in a different continent, better than our own citizens HERE.

My guess is he's talking about the foreign aid we give to Israel. As we also give to 20-30-40 - 100? other countries.

Not to speak for you Swish. However, we aren't giving aid to Israel because of the holocaust, but rather because they are an ally in a hot part of the world where America is seen as more enemy than ally.

I understand now.

As I see Arch has already replied, I can just plus 1 what he said- US aid in that direction is essentially propping up an ally in a mostly unfriendly part of the world. Not Holocaust related.

As to the creation of Israel, I don't know too much about it other than it was a direct result of displaced Jews from the Holocaust and WW2. It was politically short sighted obviously as the tensions its created there have just continually grown.

From a quick internet search, there's a growing number of calls for the US to drastically reduce or eliminate aid to Israel which given the size of the US debt, would probably be a pretty damn good idea.

Swish, help me wrap my mind around this. Being a old guy sometimes I don't see the whole picture. You wrote:

"A lot of psychologist have done studies and how slavery STILL effects the black community to this day. There is a massive distrust between black males and black females because of slavery. Why? I told y'all before, but i'm going to say it again.

Black male A.(BM-A)
Black male B.(BM-B)
Black Female A.(BF-A)
Black female B. (BF-B)
Black Male C.(BM-C)
Slave Master.

A and B are married couples. slaves were allowed to be married.

Let's say BMA isn't doing what he's told. Slave master told him about it already, but he feels he needs to teach BM-A a lesson. Guess what he does? He has BM-B RAPE BF-A right in front of BM-A.

if BM-B refuses to rape BF-A, then slave master has BM-B whipped, and then he has BM-C rape BF-C, as well as BF-A. and the cycle goes on and on.

which still affects black women to this DAY. They have a massive distrust of black men. which is why the whole "independent woman" stemmed from, or part of the reason."

My question is this, if black females are still under the influence of actions that did not occur during their, their parents or even perhaps their grandparents life times are you insulating that this is genetic or socially passed on through the generations? I've never heard this argument before and just want to under it.

Its no argument, its hogwash simply his interpretation.

If you have sources please post them.

No I don't remember that. But I don't see the Jews using it as an excuse. Are the Jews filling up our prisons? Draining our social welfare budget? Abandoning their kids into the system or single family homes? Fighting with cops?


About $3 Billion a year in military aid.


Yea that's what the United States is doing, saying get over it. Unless you figure that entitlement spending in the United States is over $2.2 TRILLION a year... that's where the welfare comes from, and the food stamps, the subsidized housing, the reduced lunch programs, the medicare.. it's all in there.

It seems to me that the Jews remember the Holocaust, the Jews fear the Holocaust happening again but the Jews aren't still living in the Holocaust... too many blacks are still living in slavery.

*leans back and grabs popcorn*

Methinks this is going to get interesting.

It certainly wasn't the sole purpose of the civil war, but it was one of the goals established well before the war began within the abolitionist movement.

I also outlined how the civil rights laws came into existance because of a large political movement that when the bill was passed, was predominately white politicians.

Where we have come to from slavery until now was championed, fought for and established by many whites.

Yes, there is still racism and bigotry, but if we can at least agree that the goals we achieved to this point was a mutual effort of both races, I believ it's a common ground to establish a conversation on.

It was a mutual effort, and without the sacrifices that were made by both whites and blacks we would not have gotten far. The overwhelming majority of the US population is white so ANY agenda or law will have be supported by whites.

lol I don't have the time I would like to spend to dissect this but that 2.2 Trillion number is hogwash.

If we break down the true number for entitlements by race I bet it will look a lot different



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I will also add that people kill me on this whole blame poor minorities , but yet when i post the numbers on corporate welfare you know the billion dollar companies who are doing everything in their power they to pay less taxes.

So I ask you which is worse all the poor people we give entitlements too, or the big corporations we give money too.



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Hmmmm. I never in my life worked for a poor person.

j/c:

Anyone wanna talk about solutions, yet?

Yes. Fire away.

I think multiple people offered solutions. You're just choosing to ignore them as they go against your own cognitive dissonance.

i've posted this before a while back in other threads.

anyway, here it goes:

Blacks:

- There's a difference between bringing up racism while trying to make it, and bringing up racism while living up to the welfare queen stereotype. somethings got to give.

- pull your pants up

- Stop calling blacks who make it out the hood sell outs, coons, house niggas, and uncle Toms. Just because somebody is able to integrate doesn't mean they are "obeying the white slave masters".

- specifically black women: stop being mad that black men date outside the race. y'all complain, but then not ONE black woman said crap when Eve, a black rapper, married that white european billionaire. Part of being part of society is not limiting yourself to whatever. But this ties into a solution for whites that i'm going to bring up in a minute.

- The names. look.....Sharkeisha might be funny memes, but lets be real here: thats a dumbass name, and stuff like that needs to stop.

- take your parents to court. I think a lot of people on this board don't realize something: a lot of blacks in the hood will use their children's SSN to open utility bills in their names. i dunno how, but it happens, and a lot of kids out the GATE start off with craptastic credit. that needs to stop.

the word nigga. it has to stop. i'm guilty of using it sometimes, even though i go out of my way to make sure i don't use it, but unfortunately it's a force of habit. however, i have let white friends use it around me, because its an unofficial rule that there's a difference between -A and -Er. however, its gotta stop as well. period.

- there's legitimate racism, but some of it is just frabricated. Kayne West saying Bush hates black people? was freaking DUMB and untrue to the fullest. can't be saying stuff like that and expect people to take us seriously when we bring up legitimate racial issues.

Whites:

- stop the double standard. i'm tired of seeing comments on crimes when its a black person, and y'all say "he's a thug" "an animal" etc. yet when a white person shoots something up, its "oh mental illness" or "wheres the parents" or "he was a troubled kid".

- needs to be fairness in the justice system. whites need to be charged and convicted for the same crimes blacks do. if a white person sold weed, he needs the same sentencing as a black person doing the same crime.

- judging off names. I get it, names are crazy, however, thats discrimination. we know for a FACT that's going on.

- interracial dating. man i can't tell you how many times i've dated white/asian girls and they didn't want me to see the parents cause they knew dad wouldn't approve, or white guys/girls don't date outside the race for stereotype reasons.

Theres a difference. if you don't date blacks because you're not psychically attracted to them, thats 100% fine. you like who you like. but if you don't date blacks because of stereotypes and perceptions of behavior, thats completely wrong. if that's the cause, i can say something like "i don't date whites because the woman is gonna go psycho and kill my kids when i go to work. this board would have a WITCH HUNT if i said something like that.

- stop the double standard, specifically cops. i'm tired of blacks getting gunned down in the street, yet these psycho ass white people get trials and crap after shooting up movie theaters and blowing up buildings.

- biased media reporting needs to stop. example? there was TWO reports from the DoJ, one clearing Wilson of any wrong doing, which i agreed with, and the other showing there WAS racial discrimination and targeting of blacks by the cops.

Fox news chose to only report the Wilson clearing, and MSNBC decided to focus on the discrimination. BOTH needs to be equally reported on. stop picking and choosing, because the media has just as much blame for keeping the racial divide going as anybody else, hell, maybe MORE.

Thats what i got for right now.

Another major step backwards. The fragile egos in this place is alarming.

how? i posted exactly what you asked for.

Why not address how the offered solutions, by many in this thread, are a step backwards?

Doesn't a true teacher help redirect or find ways to guide students to critical thinking? I don't think belittling students is something a teacher is supposed to do.

Vers, set us free! Solutions.

Literally every single thing in the United States. Just look at the basic hiring practices in the United States.

Meh. The CIO of my old employer, a fortune 500 global company, was a black woman.

I once knew a man who was homeless... Then he got money and wasn't homeless anymore. Boom. Poverty no longer exists in America.

Say what you want but I will disagree. My old employer hired minorities more frequently than whites. And we had to take diversity classes.

Poverty doesn't exist in America. Just ask someone from Calcutta, most of Africa, Cambodia...

I wasn't replying to you, Swish. It was the guy before you.

I didn't even read your post because Rocket's depressed me. I will go back and read yours. I might PM you rather than reply on here. I have been PMing a couple of guys whose opinions I respect about this thread.

I will admit that I haven't read very many posts in this thread and have probably missed some good ones. I had high expectations for this thread and when things went south, I said Screw it........or words to that effect.

Man, I really want to offer my opinion on this in regards to recognizing history, seeing the present, and creating a plan for the future, but I really think it would be better if y'all came up w/some of those ideas on your own. I would rather just interject a few opinions off to the side.

One clue.......well, maybe it is two: MLK and Booker T.