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Don't know if this has been posted---but it fits into the Thread Title: Quinn Media Blitz. Associated PressCLEVELAND -- LeBron James' stuffy nose was nothing compared to the congestion New Jersey dealt with. With their superstar slowed by a nasty head cold, the Cleveland Cavaliers turned up their defense to beat the Nets 81-77 on Sunday in Game 1 of their Eastern Conference semifinal series. The Cavaliers clogged up passing lanes, pushed bodies around under the basket and generally made life miserable for the playoff-tested Nets, who rarely got off a shot without a hand waving in their faces. "Our defense was the thing that carried us," coach Mike Brown said proudly. James, who came down with a cold while the Cavs waited around for a second-round opponent, sniffled his way to 21 points and Larry Hughes added 17 as Cleveland remained unbeaten so far this postseason. The Cavs came in well rested after their four-game sweep of Washington in the first round, and they needed every ounce of energy to hold off the Nets, who pulled within 79-77 on Vince Carter's two free throws with 19.5 seconds left. But James scored on a tough drive to put Cleveland up by four, and on New Jersey's final possession, the Cavaliers made a defensive stand that must have given Brown chills from head to toe. As the Nets quickly worked the ball on the perimeter looking for a shot, they encountered a Cavalier at every turn. Up top, nothing there. Down low, nope. Inside, outside, it didn't matter. And when New Jersey's Bostjan Nachbar finally found enough room to get off a shot with 7.9 seconds left, James blocked it. "We understand that if we get stops, we're a tough team to play," Hughes said. It was the type of fundamental, team-oriented defense Brown learned as an assistant under San Antonio coach Gregg Popovich and the kind he has repeatedly preached to his team that it must play in order to win an NBA championship. "We closed the game like we should," Cavs guard Sasha Pavlovic said. "We played defense as a team." Cleveland held New Jersey to 37 percent shooting and forced Carter into taking awkward, off-balance shots. The Cavs also dominated inside, outrebounding the smaller Nets 51-37 and getting 20 offensive boards. Pavlovic scored a playoff career-high 15 points and Drew Gooden 14 points and 14 rebounds for the Cavs, who will host Game 2 on Tuesday night. Carter had 21 points on 7-of-23 shooting to lead New Jersey, but Jason Kidd, who averaged a triple-double in the Nets' opening-round win over Toronto, had just seven points and went only 2-of-11. During a crucial four-minute stretch of the fourth, the Nets went 1-for-6 with a turnover, helping the Cavs open a six-point lead. Carter missed all five field-goal tries in the fourth quarter. "We missed some shots we thought we'd make," said Kidd, who despite the shooting woes just missed a triple-double with 10 rebounds and nine assists. "If we have those chances in Game 2, hopefully it'll bounce our way." Richard Jefferson, the third wheel in New Jersey's offensive machine, added 16 points. "There were some point-blank shots I should have made," Carter said. "If my team's going to trust me and put the ball in my hands, I've got to make them." New Jersey relied too much on 3-pointers and went just 5-of-20 from long range, mostly a result of the Cavs forcing them out of the lane. New Jersey's point total was its lowest in 22 playoff games. "It's one game," Nets coach Lawrence Frank said. "You don't overreact." A year ago, the Cavaliers were overmatched in their semifinal opener at Detroit. It was a tough lesson to learn, but the players swore they would grow from the experience, and one game into this series it looks as if they have. Cleveland's victory was a struggle. The Cavs shot just 40 percent and they couldn't open a comfortable distance from the Nets, who were within 77-73 with 2:03 left on a layup by Jefferson. Kidd then made a steal and was on his way in for an easy layup when Pavlovic, whose poor defense in the past kept him seated on Brown's bench, ran down New Jersey's guard from behind and swatted away his shot at the rim. "I thought he was going to dunk it, he didn't and I just blocked it," Pavlovic said. Kidd took the blame for not finishing stronger. "He made a great hustle play," Kidd said. "It was my fault, but that's what playoffs are all about, making plays at the right time. They made them coming down the stretch." James didn't use his cold as an excuse, but it certainly affected him. At halftime, he sat on the Cavs' bench with his head covered with a towel and spent the final few minutes before play resumed blowing his nose. During his postgame interview, James sniffled, coughed and excused himself for clearing his throat several times. "It's the playoffs, you have to battle through it," he said. "No matter what it took I was going to be out there." Game notes Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn, drafted last week by the Cleveland Browns, received a thunderous ovation when he was introduced at halftime and presented with a Cavs No. 10 jersey. "It's overwhelming," he said. ... Nets minority owner/hip hop mogul/LeBron buddy Jay-Z sat courtside in seats normally reserved for James' entourage. ... Cavs G David Wesley wasn't with the team so he could tend to personal matters. Already elevated to CTown gridiron savior. 
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Yeah, we are so desperate for a change that we automatically annoint saviors as soon as there is any potential for said change to take place. Ironically, this took place at a Cavs game where, in 2003, the city did the same exact thing with hometown boy LeBron James. I just hope the outcome is similar.... PLAYOFFS!!
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Seriously.
Brady Quinn was pathetic in all 3 Big Games his senior year
Peyton Manning was clutch in all 5 of his Big Games his senior year
Tom Brady was clutch in 3 of the 4 Big Games his senior year
Don't tell me you guys are so naive that you think Quinn is going to be as good a pro as Manning and Brady.
Quinn is going to be the next Vinny Testaverde, a 2 time Pro-Bowler that has a solid career but is never considered elite.
Elite QB's come up clutch in the Big Games. You don't just become clutch, so I highly doubt Quinn's going to become clutch now that he's in the NFL.
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Brady Quinn was pathetic in all 3 Big Games his senior year
Peyton Manning was clutch in all 5 of his Big Games his senior year
Tom Brady was clutch in 3 of the 4 Big Games his senior year
So you ARE going to ignore the talent level around them. You ARE going to ignore sacks,hurries,overall WR talent and time they had to deliver. So you ARE saying the TEAM that surrounds a QB has no bearing. Of course you are. Because that would prove your point has little to no validity. I'm not surprised. Of course you know that makes your "point,or lack there of" shows little to no merrit. Because unlike you,most of us comprehend that the game of football IS a team sport.
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Don't tell me you guys are so naive that you think Quinn is going to be as good a pro as Manning and Brady.
Quinn is going to be the next Vinny Testaverde, a 2 time Pro-Bowler that has a solid career but is never considered elite.
Elite QB's come up clutch in the Big Games. You don't just become clutch, so I highly doubt Quinn's going to become clutch now that he's in the NFL.
Don't tell me you've got crystal balls swinging somewhere that makes you able to predict that. That's no "Mensa" talking.
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Nice Sig Pit, Wonder where you got it ?   . Seriously, I still have reservations about Quinn, But While he may turn out out to never be a Brady or Manning, I would would be damn happy with another "Kosar", he will problably never make the Hall-Of-Fame, but he did pretty good for the Browns, don't you think?
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Peyton never beat Florida.
He is 0 for Florida.
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Brady Quinn was pathetic in all 3 Big Games his senior year
Peyton Manning was clutch in all 5 of his Big Games his senior year
Tom Brady was clutch in 3 of the 4 Big Games his senior year
Don't tell me you guys are so naive that you think Quinn is going to be as good a pro as Manning and Brady.
Quinn is going to be the next Vinny Testaverde, a 2 time Pro-Bowler that has a solid career but is never considered elite.
Elite QB's come up clutch in the Big Games. You don't just become clutch, so I highly doubt Quinn's going to become clutch now that he's in the NFL.
ok, well how about Troy Aikman, George Blanda, Terry Bradshaw, Len Dawson, John Elway, Dan Fouts, Otto Graham, Bob Griese, Sonny Jurgensen, Jim Kelly, Bobby Layne, Dan Marino, Joe Montana, Warren Moon, Joe Namath, Bart Starr, Roger Staubach, Fran Tarkenton, Y.A. Tittle, Johnny Unitas, Norm Van Brocklin, Bob Waterfield, and Steve Young? how did they do in "big" games in their college careers?
you keep using Tom Brady, but like i said, Tom Brady is an exception in every sense. not to mention Pit's excellent point about the supporting cast Brady and Manning had around them. what were the scores of those "big" games in which Brady and Manning came up clutch? did they score as many points as ND did in their losses? how about the QBs' INDIVIDUAL stats in those games. you like stats, don't ya? maybe those stats will actually hold some water.
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Don't tell me you guys are so naive that you think Quinn is going to be as good a pro as Manning and Brady.
Mensa, for cryin out loud,, you don't know squat.. you have NO Idea how Quinns career will turn out.. NONE,, ZERO,,, NOTHING.. How in the name of good common sense do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you call us naive about something you can't possbly know for sure either..
GOOD LORD MAN,,, Wake up already!
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Brady Quinn was pathetic in all 3 Big Games his senior year
Peyton Manning was clutch in all 5 of his Big Games his senior year
Tom Brady was clutch in 3 of the 4 Big Games his senior year
So you ARE going to ignore the talent level around them. You ARE going to ignore sacks,hurries,overall WR talent and time they had to deliver. So you ARE saying the TEAM that surrounds a QB has no bearing. Of course you are. Because that would prove your point has little to no validity. I'm not surprised. Of course you know that makes your "point,or lack there of" shows little to no merrit. Because unlike you,most of us comprehend that the game of football IS a team sport.
This is exactly what Frye bashers did. Mensa, you need to back off a bit. LEt Quinn play before he's bashed by you. The reason people say you and I are cut from the same cloth is because I used to do exactly what you are -- of course my rant was about Garcia so I was right from the outset on that one because we had no team. College is over, this is the pros. The rate of success for 4 year college starters is way above and beyond 2 year guys. Quinn has all the tools to succeed mentally and physically, now we just have to hope the line gels and that Chud runs the ball 30 times a game otherwise we will have another QB in the 70s rating area. Di I think we needed Quinn? NOPE. I'd have grabbed Blalock in round 2. Am I mad we got Quinn? Not really. Chud knows the O e's running, Savage knows the O Chud is running they both know what type of QB we need. Time will tell on Frye at the beginning of this year. Anyway you look at it - we have a sem-viable RB, a line that looks good on papaer, a 3rd year #1 WR, the best TE in football. If we run the ball and limit throws to 20-25 a game we can have a successful O. the pieces are in place. Instead of bringing up what Quinn didn't do in college, bring up what the talent we have can help him do.
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See Soup,I feel much like you in regards to Charlie. Nobody would look at the circumstancxes. One obvious one being a third round,small school pick,will most likely need more time to develop than a kid from a big school,pro style O. But I just won't dwell on that.
If they don't see Charlie as *a future franchise QB here* then it's time to move on. But that's the FO,not the fans. I have used the supporting cast when thinking of both Charlie and Brady Quinn. I give both of them the same consideration in that department.
What cracks me up is many of the people who give that consideration to one,and not the other. I find that rather,well I won't say. But to state that it isn't fair play is a gross understatement IMO
But as youi stated,Quinn is by far the better gifted athlete of the two. The potential to go further and be better than Charlie over the long haul is very favorable.
And somebody stated earlier,I would be happy with another Bernie. And they got the kid his blind side protection for his career. That's a better environment to flourish under. So yes,our odds greatly increased and that's all I really wanted coming out of the deal.
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WOW,,, Soup and Pit,, we agree on something,,, is the world coming to an end It's just like I said about 3 or 4 weeks ago in one of my rants... a persons perspective is the only thing that matters.. if you wanted to see Charlie make it, then you were open to looking at MORE than just him as a problem.., if you didn't want Charlie to make it,, then it didn't matter if everyone on the team were high school level talent around him,,, I'll go one further, I didn't care if Charlie was the man or not... didn't matter to me then, still doesn't. I'm all for "may the best man win the job" kinda thinking. But I was open minded enough to think past all the small hands, too slow of a release and all the stat talk and look for all the root causes of our lack of success.. and when I did, low and behold, I found other reasons to think that maybe Charlie ain't so bad..... Thus came the thinking, Give him a line and receivers that can catch, then judge him.... We may still get that chance,,, time will tell,,,, but I'm not ready to say that Charlie is gone and Quinn is in.. or the other way around.. Thier play on the field should and will decide that.
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your supporting cast theory is BULLCRAP when it comes to Frye .. before looking at SUPPORTING CAST u need to look at SKILL SET .... and Charlies is that of a BACK UP ... heres how it works with intelligent folks ... 1. look at players SKILL SET ... with QB's .. Arm strength, Accuracy and Brains are the big ones .. with Brains and Accuracy more important than Arm strength ... then u get into things like mobility and other things like that ... Frye is INNACCURATE and that has nothing to do with supporting cast ... ZERO .. he makes BAD DECISIONS ... nothing to do with SUPPORTING CAST ... he just does not have the SKILL SET to be a decent starter in the NFL .. did his supporting cast hurt him?? ABSOLUTELY ... but your way to smart to just make a blanklet statement like u are .. we BOTH KNEW that Wynn, Holcombe and many of the other jokes we've paraded through here as QB's STUNK even theough they had MUCH WORSE SUPPORTING CASTS than Charlie ... we've had one GOOD QB since our return in Garcia ... we put him in a HORRIBLE SYSTEM for him and had no talent around him .. we had another QB in Timid that we'll never know about ... other than that we've had CRAP ... and u know it ... the proof ... NONE OF THEM WENT ANYWHERE AND DID ANYTHING ... but yet u INSIST ON THIS SUPPORTING CAST CRAP with Frye .. ITS A JOKE .. see SKILL SET .. and oh by the way ... if the FOOTBALL PEOPLE u so now adore thought Frye had even a 50/50 chance of being the man .. we dont' MOVE UP TO GET BQ .. and u know that to .. SKILL SET ... SKILL SET ... SKILL SET ... BQ has by far the BEST SKILL SET we've had since our return at QB .. and it isnt EVEN CLOSE ... thats why his CRAP ASS SUPPORTING CAST IS RELEVANT and Frye's ain't ..... we moved up for BQ for a reason .. and it aint; because we have FAITH IN FRYE .. and the reason for that is his SKILL SET .. and u know it .. and thank god we finally have an OL ... BQ is in by far the best position to suceed since we've been back .. and thats a WONDERFUL THING ... since he is the BEST QB WE'VE HAD SINCE OUR RETURN .. works out pretty well dont it .. 
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a persons perspective is the only thing that matters.. if you wanted to see Charlie make it, then you were open to looking at MORE than just him as a problem.., if you didn't want Charlie to make it,, then it didn't matter if everyone on the team were high school level talent around him,,,
thats CRAP TOO ... we all wanted Charlie to suceed ... hes a BROWN ... WTF .. why would we not want him to suceed?? at elast i know i did .. but WHAT I WANT or anyone else wants dont MEAN SQUAT .. it wouldn't make him smarter or more accurate or make his arm any stronger ... THAT WAS THE PROBLEM ..
you'll see ... will he play better with a better supporting cast?? WELL DUH .. anyone would ... i can see that argument coming from the clueless now and its gonna be funny as hell .. i mean WHO WOULD'NT PLAY BETTER with a better supporting cast .. but it wont make his WEAKNESSES GO AWAY ... he wotn all of a sudden be able to thrwo the out ... or stretch the field .. or become more accurate or make better decisions ..
he is not the problem .. HIS SKILL SET IS .. and nothing will change that ... NOTHING will make his SKILL SET good enough to be a legite starter ointhis league .. if he leaves .. he will end up a BACK UP SOMEWHERE ELSE just like all his predeccesors ..
why did we draft BQ??? that oughta tell u enough right there about Frye ... cause we sure have ENOUGH OTHER HOLES that if he was the man we would have looked to fill them ...
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Peyton Manning was clutch in all 5 of his Big Games his senior year
Dude, here are Manning's stats in two of those "clutch" games his senior year. And by the way, he lost both of these.
9/20 @ Florida (10-2) L 20-33
= Manning 56 comp%, 3 TDs, 2 INTs, 1 fumble in a loss.
1/2 vs. Nebraska (13-0) L 17-42 <Orange Bowl>
= Manning 21 for 31, 1 TD, 1 INT & 134 yards in a loss
He layed a freaking egg in the Orange Bowl loss against Nebraska. That didn't stop him from getting drafted number one overall. He lost two big games his senior year and the scouts, the people that actually know talent for a living - not some punks on a message board, knew that even with those "bad" games he was still the best QB in the draft.
And even if Manning played amazing or awful in all five of his games, that doesn't prove anything about Brady Quinn. How well did Ryan Leaf play in big games his final year in college? I'm sure he had to play well with his draft stock being so high....and how did that turn out? Listen, there are tons and tons of examples we all could use to project Quinn's NFL career from bust, to journeyman, to a few pro bowl's or to a HOF career. The games in the NFL are played in NFL stadiums with NFL talent and not with past college box scores.
If you could really see the future, I doubt you'd be wasting your time predicting Brady Quinn's career. You'd be winning the lotto every week and living on a private island in the south pacific.
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punch,
Manning = 3-2 vs 10+ win teams his senior year
Quinn = 0-3 vs 10+ win teams his senior year
Try again.
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No you're right.
We just forgot that the quarterback was the entire team.
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1. look at players SKILL SET ... with QB's .. Arm strength, Accuracy and Brains are the big ones .. with Brains and Accuracy more important than Arm strength ...
You said it Diam not me, and here's the results
(Brains) Wonderlic scores
38 - Frye
28 - Quinn
Accuracy in College
63.6% - Frye
58.0% - Quinn
Again, I'm not the one that says that's how you judge a QB, Diam says it's how you judge a QB.
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Manning = 3-2 vs 10+ win teams his senior year
Quinn = 0-3 vs 10+ win teams his senior year
Try again.
Sorry dude, that proves NOTHING!
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No you're right.
We just forgot that the quarterback was the entire team.
I never said the QB was the entire team.
People say Manning wasn't a winner in College. That's a lie, because Manning won and showed up in Big Games.
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No you're right.
We just forgot that the quarterback was the entire team.
I never said the QB was the entire team.
People say Manning wasn't a winner in College. That's a lie, because Manning won and showed up in Big Games.
How did he show up big in the Orange Bowl his senior year?
1/2 vs. Nebraska (13-0) L 17-42 <Orange Bowl>
= Manning 21 for 31, 1 TD, 1 INT & 134 yards in a loss
I want to know how you think he played well in that game. Explain that before saying another thing. How did "Manning win and show up in Big Games" his senior year when he lost the Bowl game after throwing only 1 TD, 1 INT and a total of 134 yards in a 42-17 blowout?
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No you're right.
We just forgot that the quarterback was the entire team.
I never said the QB was the entire team.
People say Manning wasn't a winner in College. That's a lie, because Manning won and showed up in Big Games.
How did he show up big in the Orange Bowl his senior year?
1/2 vs. Nebraska (13-0) L 17-42 <Orange Bowl>
= Manning 21 for 31, 1 TD, 1 INT & 134 yards in a loss
Didn't I list 5 games he played his senior year vs 10+ win teams? Seriously, get a clue.
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1. look at players SKILL SET ... with QB's .. Arm strength, Accuracy and Brains are the big ones .. with Brains and Accuracy more important than Arm strength ...
You said it Diam not me, and here's the results
(Brains) Wonderlic scores
38 - Frye
28 - Quinn
And what exactly does a Wonderlic have to do with reading NFL defenses?
All that means is that #9 will have an easy time finding a job after he's out of the league in a couple years!
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You said all. And that was one of the games you listed. But you chose to only list his completion percentage for that game. Not the final score, not his 1 TD, not his 1 INT and not his 134 yards. You get a clue.
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No you're right.
We just forgot that the quarterback was the entire team.
I never said the QB was the entire team.
People say Manning wasn't a winner in College. That's a lie, because Manning won and showed up in Big Games.
I don't believe that's what you were originally saying. You used evidence that Tom Brady and Manning won their big games while Brady didn't.
When confronted about the fact that each of those players had a team around them, you said that you were merely stating accuracy statistics.
Fine, but what I have to say that it's hard to get a completion percentage when a defense knows you're going to pass and what's more is that you have to throw 20+ yards per throw.
Those five and seven yard passes must be a doozy to complete.
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It's rather amazing how many people are on here pretending that Brady Quinn is as good as, or even better than Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. You guys do know that Manning and Brady are two of the greatest QB's to ever play the game. Yet, you guys can't accept the fact that Quinn is not as good as those two. You guys have to be really be naive to believe that Quinn's the 2nd coming of Manning or Brady. Face it, Quinn will be a solid pro at best and nothing more. Quinn's not going to be the greatest thing the NFL has ever seen. The sooner you guys learn that the sooner you guys will not boo him when he doesn't live up to your absurd expectations. If the Cavs select a Center in this upcoming draft named Greg Oden and I say he will never be as good as Bill Russell, will you guys throw hissy fits saying that I'm insane? Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are the best of the best, yet you guys think Quinn's already at their level. I can already see it, Browns fans boo and yelling for Quinn's head because he's not as good as Peyton Manning and is only as good as 2 Time Pro-Bowler Vinny Testaverde.
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1. look at players SKILL SET ... with QB's .. Arm strength, Accuracy and Brains are the big ones .. with Brains and Accuracy more important than Arm strength ...
You said it Diam not me, and here's the results
(Brains) Wonderlic scores
38 - Frye
28 - Quinn
And what exactly does a Wonderlic have to do with reading NFL defenses?
All that means is that #9 will have an easy time finding a job after he's out of the league in a couple years!
^^^^ Proof of someone that has a difficult time with reading comprehension.
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Dude, you have a serious problem. I'm done with you and your weak points. Consider yourself ignored. So don't bother responding to this, cause I won't see it.
And I accept your apology for being so crazy.
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you still didn't answer my question. how about the QBs' INDIVIDUAL stats in those games? you use biased stats - i just want to prove that point. and as far as Quinn's numbers compared to Frye's numbers in college, how many games did each QB play. i could go 2-3 in tonight's softball game, sprain my ankle on the way home, not play a game for the rest of the season, and say i have a .666 average for the year. not exactly fair now, is it?
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He won't answer you. I showed him Manning's stats in his senior Bowl game against Nebraska (134 yards, TD, INT in a blowout loss) and he won't go back on his "Manning played big in all his senior year games" statement. He only looked at his completion percentages.
And if I looked, I could find a QB that had AWESOME stats in his senior year that didn't do anything in the NFL. Heck, just review the Heisman trophy winners that were QB in the past 15 years.
It's a lost cause man. Mensa is arguing that we think Quinn is God-like and already have a bust ready for the HOF....which I don't think anyone of us said.
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you use biased stats - i just want to prove that point. and as far as Quinn's numbers compared to Frye's numbers in college, how many games did each QB play.
Frye in college
913 Completions
1436 Attempts
Quinn in college
929 Completions
1602 Attempts
Frye = 4 year starter
Quinn = 4 year starter
Now since people keep trying to insinuate that Quinn threw long passes while Manning and Brady threw short passes, here's OverToad's favorite stat, Yards Per Pass Attempt
Tom Brady
8.03 YPA - vs (10-2) Wisconsin
8.02 YPA - vs (10-3) Alabama
7.19 YPA - vs (10-3) Penn State
6.95 YPA - vs (10-2) Michigan State
Peyton Manning
8.67 YPA - vs (10-3) Auburn
8.58 YPA - vs (10-2) Georgia
6.96 YPA - vs (10-2) UCLA
6.92 YPA - vs (10-2) Florida
4.32 YPA - vs (13-0) Nebraska
Brady Quinn
6.09 - vs (11-2) USC
4.86 - vs (11-2) Michigan
4.23 - vs (11-2) LSU
Any more questions for Mensa?
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you still didn't answer my question. how about the QBs' INDIVIDUAL stats in those games? you use biased stats - i just want to prove that point. and as far as Quinn's numbers compared to Frye's numbers in college, how many games did each QB play. i could go 2-3 in tonight's softball game, sprain my ankle on the way home, not play a game for the rest of the season, and say i have a .666 average for the year. not exactly fair now, is it?
Frye went on to break 54 football records during his college career at The University of Akron. After red-shirting in freshman year, Frye quickly won the starting quarterback job for the Zips. In 2001, Frye threw for 2,053 yards with 9 touchdowns and 6 interceptions, and set a school record for completion percentage with a mark of 58.8. The following season he broke his own record by completing 65.8 percent of his passes, on his way to 2,824 yards passing and 22 total touchdowns. He also began to display his legendary toughness by playing the final nine games of the season with a broken bone in his right thumb. In his junior year, Frye broke the 3,000 yard mark, throwing for 3,549 yards and 22 touchdowns while completing 64.8 percent of his passes. He also rushed for 288 yards and 7 touchdowns. Incredibly he missed just one play after suffering a hip pointer that bothered him the final 3 games of the season. Frye returned for his senior season despite the departure of head coach Lee Owens and several key offensive players. He still threw for 2,623 yards and 18 touchdowns with a completion percentage of 63.6 percent in his final college campaign. Frye then became only the third player in Mid-American Conference history to throw for over 2,000 yards four years in a row. He won the MVP award at the 2005 Senior Bowl in Mobile, Alabama.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Frye
He was a four year starter like Quinn. This arguement is weak also.
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And they knew NO QB could be successul without protecting the blindside. The difference here is: you were fighting for BQ to be the NUMBER 3 PICK IN THE DRAFT. Savage saw it the other way. YES, I KNOW YOU ARE HAPPY WOTH THOMAS. I explained a couple above that yes, Chud Savage and RAC like Quinn more for THIS O than they do Frye which is why they picked him. But to claim that he's innacurrate is ignorant, he's been accurate at Akron and in Cleveland - it's one o his pluses. You wanted to see him fail, that's your perogative. The jury is still out, he's started for 1 year. Guys named Aikman, Bradshaw (6 TDs and 24 ints in one year) and Elway started off much worse. Truth is, you can SPECULATE your thoughts on Frye, you CANNOT be 100% sure and call people out on it. His C was on the team 1 week prior to the seaosn, he had a below average LT, a RG playing LG a LG that still hasn't found a team and a psycho for a RT. Time will tell in 4 months whether or not he can be successful with a line. Lord knows looking at last years cast starting with the line, he wasn't given a chance to show what he could do. His final - HEALTHY start was against KC. He had time to throw he was 11-13 for 122yds and a TD. Games we ran he WAS A SUCCESS. Look for yourself. I will not deny Quinn has a bigger upside skillset wise. However, Jeff George had a bigger upside skill-set wise than Peyton Manning.
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Just clicking...
We can;t say for sure how good Frye could have been with a line last year. We also can;t say for sure what it would be like if we all had three arms and crapped diamonds.
The fact is that Frye is done in Cleveland. He didn't have a good grasp on the starting job before Quinn was drafted and he sure as hell doesn't have one on it now.
The most Charlie can hope for is a half year of starting. Maybe a full one if suddenly he turns on a Drew Brees type turnaround.
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j/c...
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Quinn is going to be the next Vinny Testaverde, a 2 time Pro-Bowler that has a solid career but is never considered elite.
Which the vast majority of us would be completely happy with, as that'd make the investment worthwhile.
Let it go.
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It's a lost cause man. Mensa is arguing that we think Quinn is God-like and already have a bust ready for the HOF....which I don't think anyone of us said.
As I'd noted before Punch, Mensa likes to make things black and white so that he can have a soapbox to fight from  He's now twisting the arguement not into whether or not Quinn will be a good pro, but how he won't be God-like..........all to have a platform to throw mud from.
It's sad and unfortunate, and I'm surprised that so many posters have taken the bait.
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This arguement is weak also.
my whole point here is that these are all different quarterbacks playing in all different systems for entirely different coaches on completely different teams in totally different conferences against all-together different competition at different points in time. there is no controlled variable here. the stats are biased. they do not hold the future. they do not mean this guy will be excellent or that guy will fail. you draft a player based on potential. Quinn has a lot of potential. we drafted well.
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Most of your post was about how many games one guy started as opposed to the other. That is what I'm referring to. Frye did play in a weak conference but also played games against big schooks to get Akron some free money. I don't remember how he did and that is no longer relevant. Same goes for Quinn's career. Both are now Browns and will be judged on the same playing field.
I hope Mensa is right and Quinn is a two time pro bowler. That would make me very happy.
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It's sad and unfortunate, and I'm surprised that so many posters have taken the bait.
It is sad but I'm not really surprised because everyone likes to debate and argue until they are blue in the face. But it became quite obvious to me sometime last week, that there's just no reasoning with Mensa. He's either a troll who is just trying to get under people's skin or he is really completely incapable of expanding his mind to allow for intelligent and rational thought processes. I'm leaning toward the latter, but until I know for sure, I'm about done wasting my time on him. Every time I scroll through a thread and see him and about 10 other guys going back and forth on this whole quarterback thing, it drives me crazy!! The intergrity and the things I enjoy about this message board are being compromised by this ridiculous banter and until everyone just completely ignores him or a ref bans him (*cough, cough*), it's just going to keep getting worse until we have something more meaningful to talk about. But training camp is a long way away!!!
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