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11 pages? We all know what the Browns image is and it is definitely not good. They should have put this image on all of our helmets, till the tide turns around: Yes...The Factory of Sadness.
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Good God! You guys are still arguing about whether or not Donovan is employed by the Browns?
LOL.........he may be, he may not be.............One thing is for certain, if the Browns don't want him announcing their games, he won't be.
The rest is mindless nonsense. And who spear-headed it..........none other than the Da-Man-Is-Hot. Are you guys really falling for his crap?
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You've done this quite often.....are you done trying to make a gay insult?
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
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What? Gay insult? LOL.........what are you talking about? Long before you were part of the board, Damanshot told another poster that is what his user name stood for. I am simply repeating what he said. I just find it kinda funny that anyone would regard himself in such a light. It has NOTHING to do w/sexual preference and I really have no idea how you would come up w/such an absurd thought???? Btw------------love the grammar. are you done trying to make a gay insult? Can't quite figure that out other than suspecting illiteracy.
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HAHAHA. Yeah, ok.
My bad. You've never made an innuendo to his name before. Nope, never at all.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
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That isn't what I said. I have spelled that name out multiple times.
I explained why I did in most recent post.
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The Browns "image" is.... they lose. Period. New uniforms, new statement of "playing like a Brown" means NOTHING. WINNING is the goal. And we are less likely to win with a first year OC and yet another new system. I have to thank the front office and Pettine for running off the ONE thing I enjoyed on the team last year. We had a RUNNNING GAME! We had an OC that knew what the hell he was doing. Our defense sucked. Pettine showed ZERO emotion on the sidelines. But Shanahans offense showed real promise. Obviously that had to go. Can't have promise in Cleveland. No sir. Man, I disagree with a lot of this, if not all of it. We went 7-9, and stopped being an "easy win" last year. Winning is always the main goal, but to get to winning from losing, you have to change the way things have been done. Part of that is changing the mindset. I have used my own far less high profile experience at turning businesses around as an example, and the 1st thing I have always done in turning a business around is changing some very visible things. I want visible, mental reminders available every day to let people know that this is not the same business it used to be. This is the same thing that has to happen in the NFL. Bad teams start expecting to lose. They start expecting to make the big mistake at the wrong time. They start expecting the black cloud to follow them. Changing that mindset s vital, and this is done with the coach's emphasis on certain ideals, bringing in veteran leaders to help change the mindset, and so on. We have a new OC, but he is a WCO coordinator, and will use a similar playbook to what Shanahan did. One other thing about Shanahan ..... I liked the guy as a coach last year, but let's face it, he never did anything to help the team overcome the loss of Alex Mack. We still ran the same plays as if the backup was going to block to the 2nd and 3rd levels. Hoyer looked worse and worse last year as the year went along,. I think that the coordinator bears some degree of responsibility. I do like his play design, but let's face it, we were 27th in scoring last year, scoring 18.1 PPG last year. We were also 27th the year before, and scored 19.3 PPG in 2013. Yes, we actually went down in scoring last year from the year before. I know I was shocked. The defense, however, improved dramatically. We were 8th in scoring defense last year. In 2013 we were 25th in scoring defense, at 25.4 PPG. We made a massive improvement on defense. We intercepted the ball 21 times last year, and forced 15 fumbles, recovering 8. In 2013, we intercepted the ball 14 times, and forced 9 fumbles. recovering 7. We improved greatly on defense, and got better as the year went by, even with tons of injuries. The defense improved as players learned the defense. The offense did not. Yes, I am concerned about Shanahan leaving, but let's not make him out to be the savior of Browns football or something. As far as Pettine, the one thing that truly impressed me was that he already knows how to delegate, and can do so without having his ego trip him up. Yes he made mistakes last year. He screwed up timeouts on occasion, and made other "rookie" mistakes. However, I think that he will improve in that regard. He is a very smart man, and understands the game of football. I have every expectation that he will improve. I think that he now has a coordinator he trusts on the offensive side of the ball. It is obvious that something went wrong among the coach groups last year, and I choose to believe that it was Shanahan who was the core of the problem. There were rumors that Pettine had a list of potential OCs before Shanahan made his presentation to beg to leave. I think that it was a mutual separation From what I have read, Fillipo runs a similar offense, and is looking at keeping many of the same calls as we used last year. I think that we will show improvement on that side of the ball. Even if we didn't, we are going to have new players at QB, TE, and WR anyway. They are going to have to learn the new offense regardless what offense we run. So will any rookies we draft. I am not as worried about this aspect of things as others are. Anyway, I liked a lot of what Shanahan did last year, and had problems with others., He did a good job when he had all of his pieces, but struggled when he lost Mack. He was good, but the defensive coaches did a better job last year as far as scoring/stopping the other team from scoring is concerned. I think that we'll be god with the new, revised staff. So you think he should have changed the entire offense midseason when Mack went down? To what? A throw every down O? Without a QB worth spit? Alright man. And yeah, our defense was AWESOME. DEAD LAST against the run. 31 sacks. WOW doesn't GET better than that. Yes, our secondary played well and got a lot of turnovers. But that was ALL our defense did. We won 7 games. TWO were against good teams. The Steelers and Bengals. And the Bengals beat our ASS the next time we played. Destroyed that defense. We also lost to JACKSONVILLE! We lost to HOUSTON! With Mallett starting his first game EVER. Great game plan in that one too..... Let him stand in pocket for as long as he wants and PRAY our secondary makes a play. We sure showed them.... All last season if we got a sack in the first quarter I said flat out "well, we are allowed one more, better make it count". When you go in to a game knowing, I mean absolutely SURE, you won't get more than two sacks a game, that ISN'T good defense in my book. 31 sacks is horrific. Pettine was SUPPOSED to be a pass rush guy. Our defense was supposed to KILL quarterbacks. What a laugh. I hope and pray you're right about the new OC. But I remember the last OC that had NEVER called a game before and tried to "invent" a new "Cleveland" offense. That didn't work out too good. And if this new guy tries to run Shanahan's offense mixed with his own, having never been exposed to it? That could be a very bad thing. Pettine and Farmer ran Shanahan out of here, they hired a rookie OC that's never done the job before... so let him DO the damned job and run the offense HE knows best. Don't force him to run someone else's. Or do and take the lumps that result. If our offense sucks this year.... if we can't run the ball and have to rely on McCown for everything.... Next year we will be talking about the new Head Coach and new GM. BET on it.
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11 pages? We all know what the Browns image is and it is definitely not good. They should have put this image on all of our helmets, till the tide turns around: Absolutely! And instead of Cleveland on the front just put "Factory". I'd make that my av but I'd probably get banned for it. Got suspended from the old board for an avatar with similar sentiments. Love the graphic though. It is perfect.
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So you think he should have changed the entire offense midseason when Mack went down? To what? A throw every down O? Without a QB worth spit? Alright man. If what you are doing is not working because of an injury to a key player, then YES, you change what you are doing. If I have Peyton manning as my QB, and he gets hurt, and my back-up is Brandon Weeden, then I am not going to have Weeden run the Manning offense. Believe that I am changing things dramatically. Mack consistently got to the 2nd level in run blocking, and that created huge gashes straight up the gut in the run game. When he went down, that advantage disappeared. Running the same plays, expecting the same results, was insane. It also did not work. And yeah, our defense was AWESOME. DEAD LAST against the run. 31 sacks. WOW doesn't GET better than that. Last against the run, and exceptional against the pass. You cannot turn things around in a single season. You take steps. Last year was the 1st step, and it was a huge 1st step. Now we need to take the next step this year. I honestly believe that we are on a similar path as the Buffalo defense. We still need a few more pieces, but we are on that same kind of path. We need to add another run stuffer, and another pass rusher. We also need health. There are huge pieces to build upon though.
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You contradict yourself. You defend the coach and FO because we won more games than normal and you then criticize the OC because we did not win more games. 
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You contradict yourself. You defend the coach and FO because we won more games than normal and you then criticize the OC because we did not win more games. And the coach and player that were huge in getting us those wins are no longer here..................
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You contradict yourself. You defend the coach and FO because we won more games than normal and you then criticize the OC because we did not win more games. I believe we will win more games because we replaced a good OC with another good OC, the staff will all be on the same page, which evidently they were not last year, and because we will add talent to a very good defense. The defense will have another year in the system, and the team will have a QB they obviously feel fits the team better than Hoyer did. As far as my criticism of Shanahan, I have been more than even handed with him. I have said that I liked many of his play designs and his blocking schemes were effective in protecting the QB. However, he did not seem to adjust to the loss of Mack as far as the run game is concerned. Do you debate that point? It is not a contradiction. It is an observation. There is a difference. If I say that the sky is blue, except for the white clouds, then I have not contradicted myself. I haven't with regard to Shanahan either. Geesh. Not everyone in the world looks at things as 100% all, or nothing. I can like some aspects of a player or coach, while disliking others. That is the way many people look at the world.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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