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I would not trade anything to move up to draft him. And that is a fact.

I don't believe you can make that determination based off of 7 quarters in a rookie season for a QB. I believe they shown that belief when they drafted him and it will take at least this season to determine of that belief will continue.

If the staff can't believe that JF can get his act together, then what did for 7 quarters don't mean squat and they can, in a legit fashion, choose to not believe in him.

First step is prove what you do off the field. If he can gain trust and votes of confidence, then it becomes a matter of proving what he can do on the field. Two very large uphill battles that Johnny must face.

Can't get right off the field, won't get right on the field either IMO. They must judge faith on his personal life and his football life.

It was a link Lane Adkins from OBR referenced on Twitter. I will find you the link later, but my lunch break is over and I have to get back to work..lol.

Priorities brother priorities

The only problem is, they have two weeks to figure this out. He went to rehab and is hanging out with Haden to this point. Nothing negative in the press.

So unless they are negating his work so far in righting the ship and only basing their decision on last year, then I believe your point is a valid one.

However, if they are also looking at the steps he has taken to turn things around at this point, then unless he makes some major mistake in the next week and a half, they are far from knowing what the future holds in terms of JFF.

To me, this FO made their decision on what they believe in JFF by their decision to draft him in the first round last year. So either they feel with his head on straight he can be a good QB, or they have done a complete 180 in their thinking about him.

So to me, they have to believe that MM is a can't miss franchise QB or they bide their time and give JFF a true chance to prove himself. Personally I don't see MM as a can't miss prospect. I believe they will stick by JFF for one more year.

saw some of the Pettine presser and he sounds pretty confident in Johnny. doesnt mean farmer wont double down on QB but Pettine seemed very pleased and reinterated time for action not words but they are standing with Johnny atleast for now.

Why two weeks? They can move on anytime if they feel the cause as non justifiable or pointless. Isn't it in early August or whatever that teams must have their roster trimmed down to 53?

My only point was, they can separate from JF in a legit fashion, using only his 7 quarters, without giving him anymore reps, based on how his personal, non football life progresses.

Yes on the 53 man roster. But If we get in a Charlie Frye opening week debacle, we won't have a GM to make a move until week 5.

IF we get a McCown/Manziel injury, suspension and/or meltdown Farmer can't do anything but throw his beer bottle at the TV like the rest of us.

Wow bro... you know even after all this time that the suspension and etc was made known - can't say those thoughts crossed my mind until reading your post.

Doubt the situation would occur at QB, but possibly at others. Surely for those weeks of suspension, there will be a guy who can consult with others and make decisions and pull triggers in need be.

In week 1, Haslam will get a facebook friend request from Fay Rarmer, a "farmer" from Timbuktu with no profile picture. Hey, he even sent a private message...

No way that I do a deal to take MM and give up all those picks will get a better shot next year for a top prospect and we won't have to give up picks to get the deal done if what we have now at QB play like I know they will.

We have to wait I would bank the 19 pick for next year to if we can. Get a 3rd this year and next years 1 from someone will be better for it.

I hope the rumors I'm hearing are just that. Just say no Haslam show you got a brain.. Oh forget I asked..............Of course will do the deal......

Hey! Finally! You and I agree on something!

I didn't see this ... though maybe I just missed it.

Mariota answer to Browns' prayers? Pettine says 'Why not?' - CBSSports.com
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-d...ne-says-why-not

Maybe Cleveland Browns head coach Mike Pettine was telling the truth when he said Johnny Manziel is part of the team's blueprint. Or maybe he's serious that the Browns are going up to get Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota.

Clearly, the puzzling trail of tears that is the team's starting quarterback history since 1999 – 22 starters, including Manziel – and the current volatility of the depth chart led by veteran journeyman Josh McCown reveals there could be truth in most anything the Browns suggest as reality in the nine days before the team flexes a pair of top-20 picks in the 2015 NFL Draft.

Back with the team following more than 60 days in a rehab facility, Manziel is trying to put his rookie failures and partying past behind him. He is assured of nothing by Pettine and the Browns, who have a pair of first-round picks – No. 12 and No. 19 – and signed veteran Josh McCown while parting with 2014 starter Brian Hoyer.

Pettine said Tuesday that Manziel is "very much" in the team's plans and called the ESPN report that the organization was "90 percent moved on from" the former Texas A&M quarterback something out of "the ridiculous category."

Manziel was drafted in the first round last year because of his unique playmaking ability, but in two starts as a rookie appeared shell-shocked and ended 2014 on injured reserve with a hamstring injury. He'll now compete with McCown and Connor Shaw, another member of the Browns' 2014 rookie class, who was praised by Pettine on Tuesday. Shaw started in Week 17 and despite some limitations, Pettine believes he has "the subtle it factor" to be a starter.

Of course, it's still highly feasible that the Browns will draft a quarterback, sensing the potential answers on the present roster are nowhere close to givens. McCown was 1-10 with the Buccaneers last season and was dumped in February.

For all of those reasons, the Browns continue to be linked to Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota, who worked out after the college football season with new Cleveland quarterback coach Kevin O'Connell. O'Connell ran Mariota's pro day workout in Eugene, Ore., on March 12.

Pettine popped a Cheshire cat grin Tuesday when asked if the Browns were open to dealing up to get Mariota.

"Sure," he said, "Why not?"

"My opinion -- and I talked about it last year -- it's all about value. It's making sure that you're getting value for the pick and you're adding value to your roster and players that can help you in the short term and in the long term."

Browns general manager Ray Farmer made three trades in the first round in his debut draft as a primary decision-maker last May, and wound up with Manziel, cornerback Justin Gilbert (eighth overall) and a spare first-round pick, the result of a trade with the Buffalo Bills that bumped the Browns from No. 4 overall to ninth. Farmer jumped back up one spot to acquire Gilbert.

Pro Bowl cornerback Joe Haden, who had a one-on-one conversation with Manziel on Monday, said the Browns are seeing a different person this spring, a positive endorsement on the heels of captain Joe Thomas, the Browns' left tackle, saying Manziel lost trust of teammates in the offseason.

Manziel was one of a group of players who hung around for extra work Monday, the first day of offseason workout. Haden said Manziel was at the facility three hours after the scheduled 8-Noon workday.

My response was in terms of evaluating JFF in any decision regarding the drafting of MM. I thought that was what we were discussing.

"So to me, they have to believe that MM is a can't miss franchise QB or they bide their time and give JFF a true chance to prove himself."
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The Browns have to decide to either believe in Manziel or not.

If they truly believe that Manziel can lead a team and play at a consistently high level then draft the BPA.

If the Browns question Manziel's ability to play at the required level. If they question his commitment. Then they must look at this draft to find an upgrade.

If they see Mariota as a true franchise quarterback then pick 12, 19 and whatever else they are willing to part with to get him is worth it.

If the price gets more than they are willing to spend then they must look at guys after the first round.
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Because of how Manziel's first season played out it puts the Browns in a difficult position. It is not just a matter of him playing 7 quarters. It is the whole situation with him in rehab and his lack of preparation. Basically Manziel threw away his first year and because of rehab it is unknown if he has done a thing football related to improve. Now there is a new OC. So really Manziel is still a rookie.

No rookie quarterback can be judged on his first 7 quarters. But that is not the whole picture here. There are more things in question.

If after their first year of total experience with Manziel the Browns believe that Mariota is a better prospect then they should go after Mariota.

If that happens and Mariota is a Brown so is Manziel. Manziel will still have a chance to prove himself.

No. Too expensive in my opinion.

I really don't disagree with your premise except for one point.

In one place you say "Browns believe that Mariota is a better prospect then they should go after Mariota."

Now that point I disagree with. The price is far to steep to put that much of an investment in someone the simply see as "a better prospect".

However, in another part of you post you say, "If they see Mariota as a true franchise quarterback then pick 12, 19 and whatever else they are willing to part with to get him is worth it."

Now this, I agree with.

To me they would have to be 100% sold on MM as a true franchise QB in order to make such a huge investment. Not simply "a better prospect".

I have a feeling it is Philly. We've been pushing for Bradford, inquiring to both St. Louis and Philly, and the rumor mill certainly has Philly tied to Mariota. If Bradford would commit to a long term deal with Cleveland, I can see up giving up #12 and maybe a little more (one of our 4ths?) to get him. That gives Philly #12 and #20, add in 2016 1st rounder and I think Tennessee takes it.

This being said, the scenario you mention is certainly feasible as well.

the 2 teams i keep hearing that are making a push to trade up with the titans are the Jets and Chargers and the chargers being pretty close in agreement.

I know there is a lot of speculation regarding the Browns and or Eagles but just not hearing it at all.

I would give up the #12 and #19 for Philip Rivers.

I would give up the #19 and a 4th rounder for Sam Bradford (assuming he would sign an extension).

I absolutely would not trade the #12, #19, a 2nd rounder and Terrance West to the Titans for Mariota.

Do that many people honestly believe Mariota is a can't miss prospect that can start from day one? You can't trade those kind of assets for a 50/50 project such as Mariota. Just my two cents.

I did just read something interesting from a Titans fan website...

What if the Browns were to trade the #12 and #19 picks to the Eagles in exchange for Sam Bradford and their 2nd round pick?

The Eagles then in turn trade three 1st-round picks to the Titans for the #2 overall pick taking Mariota.

In this scenario the Browns get an experienced but still young ready-to-start-now quarterback AND they'll still have 9-draft picks to work with, taking a defensive tackle and wide-receiver in the 2nd round.

Didn't post the link as it appears to be a rumor from a low-key fan site with "a few sources".

2 #1's for Bradford ????

I believe he's indicating the talk surrounds trading two 1st round picks for Rivers.

San Diego gets:
#2 Overall pick (Mariota)

Cleveland gets:
#17 Overall pick
QB Phillip Rivers

Tampa Bay gets:
#12 Overall pick
#19 Overall pick
San Diego 2016 2nd Round pick
Cleveland 2016 Conditional 4th Round Pick (Move to 3rd if Cleveland makes playoffs)

Rivers is not signing an extension with us.

1. Oh right, I recall him specifically stating that..........

2. I would honestly consider giving up 12 and 19 for Rivers and 17 even if he didnt guarantee an extension.

We win the division this year, easily.. with a QB like Rivers.

Hell I rather would trade 12 and 19 for one year of Rivers (also see: Franchise Tags) than for MM or Bradford, even if he (Bradford) signed an extension..

1. He won't sign an extension with San Diego, a team he has been with his entire career, because the team is considering a move two hours north. He wants to go to Tennessee because he and his wife are from the area.

2. I am glad you qualified that statement with "consider," because that would be insane. Giving up those type of assets for a player you only have one year (two with the franchise tag) is a horribly short-sighted decision.

I agree with you on Bradford, I would not trade a first for him either. I think that ship has sailed anyway.

100% Dittos.

Me three.

I just don't know if Farmer/Haslam feel the same way as we do.

No way.

Then again, I wouldn't use a 7th to move up one spot in the 1st to get Mariota. If he fell to us, I maybe take him. I still wouldn't feel good about it, but at least it didn't cost anything extra. If he fell to us, I would look to trade the pick.

After looking at and thinking about all the QB's that have come out recently... unless you're absolutely certain that Mariota is going to come in and be the next Andrew Luck, there is NO WAY that you give up that much to go get him.

Quite simply... you're either going to go get a LEGITIMATE top-tier QB, or you're going to have a wanna-be... and we already have a stable full of wanna-be's, so why would we trade up for anything less than top-tier?

Best QB in the Class doesn't mean squat and certainly doesn't guarantee even "decent" at the NFL level.

Just cannot word it any better than that.

+1

I like Charley Casserly but i recently saw an interview with him and he said the Browns have to go get a QB and now I dont know if Mariotta is a franchise QB or not but the Browns must do whatever it takes to get up there and get him.

I am thinking what the hell? You dont know if he is a francise QB but now u are saying we should trade 2 firsts for someone u arent even sold on? No wonder he is doing TV instead of running a franchise.

Its not just Casserly either. It is a general consensus throughout the media that we have to trade up for a QB even if he is a complete bust. I have never seen anything like it.

For the rest of the football world, the Browns need to be a dysfunctional organization, otherwise they have to re-evaluate their 'world order.'

They need to manufacture storylines, to create things for people to talk about and to generate content for later shows; those storylines don't have to make sense. They only need the thinnest of premises and they will spin any conversation they want.
Chewbacca lives on Endor.
Charley Casserly is not an NFL GM.. he's a TV personality... he says what is scripted, not necessarily what is rational or logical.

Farmer wants Mariota.

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Completed 24 passes for 333 yards and two touchdowns, including a 70 yard TD toss, in the inaugural College Football Playoff Championship game versus Ohio State . . . Recorded a season-high 26 completions for 338 yards, scoring two touchdowns through the air and one on the ground in the College Football Playoff Semifinal Rose Bowl Game victory over Florida State . . . Accounted for a minimum of three touchdowns in 13 of 15 games and four scores 10 times, throwing for four touchdowns and running for two others in the regular-season finale at Oregon State before tossing a pair of scores and running for a collegiate-best three TDs in the Pac-12 Championship Game against Arizona . . . Opened the season with a trio of touchdown tosses and a fourth on the ground in the opener vs. South Dakota before duplicating the feats at Utah and against Colorado . . . Also ran for a pair of touchdowns and throwing two into the end zone against Wyoming, UCLA, and Stanford . . . 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