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I see a very winnable schedule. The back half looks daunting. But if the team is healthy itll be a fun ride IMO

I hope your joking. We won 7 games last year without a legitimate qaurterback. Sucking for a top pick has always worked out for us in the past right?? I'm sure if we did go 2-14 and somehow we hold things together we will then land our dream QB next year..oh and then of course he'll have to sit the bench for a year and "develop" . So that means we'll suck next year too. So by 2017 we'll no doubt be set up to win right? Brilliant strategy...brilliant!

If given the choice I'd ALWAYS want to start with "easy" teams for three reasons:

1. Perhaps a chance to gain confidence/momentum
2. As a fanbase we get to experience more "important" games later in the year
3. Most importantly, the more games there are, the more of a chance the "good" teams suffer injuries; thus, they may be weaker near the end. I realize we have the same chance of injury, but that's when luck is involved.

You didn't get the memo? The Brown's FO said they wanted to focus on creating an elite defense this off season. Hence my 5-11 prediction. LOL

I'm prepping for another real bad season if we don't add 2 olinemen that can help protect the fragile QB's already on our roster. But yeah the FO stated they are going to focus on creating an elite defense this year due to our P*SS Poor offense.

Honestly the only way I see the team going 2-14 is if we're getting absolutely terrible play at QB. I'm talking turnovers, punts, absolutely nothing from the passing game.

The other way could be injuries.

Injuries hurt this team last year, a lot.

The right couple of guys get injured and that could be our season (*knocks on wood*).

I'm with you EOTAB, I think our roster has too much talent and veteran leadership for a 2-14 season to be possible.

Given our question marks at QB, and how tough this schedule appears to be on paper, I certainly believe a 5-11 season is possible, but 2-14 means this team would have to be REALLY DAMN BAD!

I think our depth is a lot better than in years past. Plus we still have the draft to go through. We have a very good chance to start fast and keep plowing away, and if anybody can keep these guys going it Pettine.

You have your 16-0 and I got my 2-14 you'll be disappointing I won't.

I think its managements plan to tank the season based on their off seasons moves at QB. If they had landed Bradford I would say ASSuming he stays healthy we are a playoff team.

If McCown is the starter I think he will improve and get us 2 wins and if Johnny starts we might not win at all, thus my pre pre season guess is 2-14. But I reserve the right to go up or down based on the draft and pre season. Right now today I see this as a 2-14 team.

If the QBing on this team is as bad as I think it will be its the best possible outcome even though it will be torturous to watch.

watch his games last year. if he is mentor for johnny or the starter.....

never have i saw such bad decisions from a QB that wasnt a rookie. let alone one that is 35 year old. people thought weeden made bad decisions? pffft wait for this guy.

For all the positive posters: Who is our QB again?

not on the roster yet?

Agreed.

as of right now I see two possible starters against the Jets: McCown and Mariota

There is no way I'd feel good about JFF starting the season for us

Maybe, I don't know.

I really am not trying to be negative and things could work out, but let's check out these scenarios:

1. We roll w/Johnny. He is coming off of rehab. He looked like the worst qb I have ever witnessed in his two starts last year. He actually might be our best shot if he can recreate his collegiate magic, but man, it's a scary proposition.

2. We turn to McCown. He was not retained by the worst team in football. He's older. He was out of football for awhile. I have no confidence in him leading us to the playoffs. None!

3. We trade up for Mariota. I wouldn't draft him in the first two rounds. Seriously. I think he is a great guy, but I don't like him as a qb. I could be wrong, but that is just the way I feel about the guy. I have NEVER seen him read coverages. And then we are going to have give up our two first round picks on a guy who is a "maybe." We might even have to give up more.

Sorry man, but I am not seeing it at QB. And if we don't have good QB play, we will not have a good season.

maybe Bradford

Maybe. But, would you really give up draft picks for a guy who has said he would not re-sign w/Cleveland and has an injury history longer than the day is long?

No, I wouldn't personally. I'm just spitballing who else our FO may be considering.

as far as i can tell the eagles did?

What does Bradford saying he would NOT re-sign w/Cleveland have to do w/the Eagles?

Not trying to be a jerk, but I don't get it.

Every year I drink the koolaid and think positive for every season.

Every year I go to the bar to watch them play.

Every year they suck.

This year I will not drink the koolaid. I will just admit they suck now and not waste my money at the bar. I might go a few times to gawk at JFF if he starts but that's it. I definitely won't waste money at the bar to see McCown suck.

well from what i read he wont sign there either. he wants to take the gamble on himselfe this year to get a bigger conract next year.

i think this year his contract is for something like 10 mil and that he wants to roll with that for a bigger long term contract.

just pointing out the eagles did trade draft picks for him with no new contract in place.

LOL..........well, I am not trying to dissuade people from rooting for the Browns. I will always watch them. I get the Ticket just to watch the Browns. For 7 years, I kept my season tickets despite living 600 miles away and attended about 4 of the 8 home games each year. I am a fan.

I am not trying to start some movement to boycott the Browns. LOL. I'm just saying their QB situation sucks at this particular point in time.

No problem. I just wanted to make sure our ideas weren't mixed up by others.

It's easier to admit your team sucks when Josh McCown is the QB.

I guess I'm one of those positive posters to which you refer. The main reason I can be positive is that I don't have high expectations for 2015. I view last year's 7 wins as over achievement, not a true measure of where the team is in comparison to the truly good teams in the league.

I'm not expecting to win the division or make the playoffs, but to improve the team. (I find it amusing that so many here acknowledge that it takes a few years for a GM/HC team to build 'their' team, yet are outraged that they didn't accomplish that in one season.) A second year of this FO/Coaching combo should have the team closer to what they envision. We started last year well, but injuries demonstrated how thin we are. We had enough talent to field a decent team but not enough to overcome injuries. Fill holes and add depth. I would be content (not happy, content) with 6-7 wins as long as the team is closer to truly competing than last year and poised to make a step forward next year.

I would absolutely love to solve the QB deficiency this year. But there are no answers. Hoyer was decent when we were winning, but he never was the answer, just a temporary solution. I understand many think he is better than McGown, and that may be true. But neither are a long term answer, so in the short term McGown is probably a better fit because he is more willing to accept not being the answer. Manziel probably isn't the answer either, but I also think he has a legitimate chance to be better than either Hoyer or McGown...if he can learn to adapt his game to the NFL. If he tries to play here like he did in college, he is more likely to become a mangled mess carried off the field on a stretcher. And given his rehab situation, his chance of becoming even NFL average has serious obstacles.

I don't believe the team is going to make any of the grand plays being bandied about these forums. In the unlikely event that Mariota falls to 12, I'm sure they will take him. Or they may try to trade up if he falls to 6, but I don't think they will trade both 1st rounders (and more) to move up to 2. I think the Bradford ship has sailed, and I don't think Rivers was ever really an option for Cleveland. What I think it's more likely that they will trade down with one or both of the 1st picks for lower 1st(s) and another 2nd or 3rd. They might try to parlay one into another 1st next year for ammo to move on a QB.

So if they can't solve the QB problem this year, they improve the team and plan for next year. Maybe they take a Grayson, Petty, or Mannion and work to develop him. They learn what they have with Manziel, and between them they know if they have a Dalton type QB, or a backup for someone they aquire next year.

I would hope to all that is holy and right that our FO would not consider trading a first round pick for someone who won't sign here.

You guessed wrong if that explanation is correct. I doubt it is correct and I think you are full of crap, but let's just pretend you were being honest.

I am hoping for improvement as well and it may very well happen. I am all on board for that line of thinking. Is that clear?

What I am doubting is when people are talking about 10+ wins and the playoffs. Got that?

The reason why I doubt that is because of the QB situation. Got that?

That's all I said. Don't think you can outsmart me w/rhetoric. Got that?

Yes I would for several reasons.

1-Bradford is better then any QB in this draft, and not getting him means at least 2 more seasons of losing before we get to winning if we ever get to winning.

2-This team is ready to win, we don't have perfect pieces everywhere you look but we stack up against anyone accept at the QB position.

I dismiss the won't sign a long term deal on 2 counts 1st with what we have we can be winners with a player of Bradford's skill set. If we don't win then he wasn't the answer anyway and we just move on. If we do win and we offer him a fair deal he will sign, and we have the money to pay the man.

I wouldn't want to sign him long term to start anyway. After all he is a injury risk I wouldn't want to carry a ton of dead money if he falls again.

But IMO its a risk thing and the question is would you take a shot on him staying healthy to have a shot to make the playoffs now with a team that is ready to win (- a QB), -vs- standing pat or worse yet moving up to get MM?

I take the risk every time and twice on Sunday.

To me him signing a deal NOW is pointless, he will if we win and make a fair offer when the time comes and we could always franchise him.

I think its a simple choice win now (if he stays healthy) or lose now without him. I take the shot.

Besides I Love the idea of giving Chip the rope he needs to hang himself.

I have reread this to see what I said that was so offensive. I don't see it. I simply stated my view of the current state of the team, and my expectations of the coming season.

I agree w/you that you did not say anything offensive. I am not just as dumb as you think most people are.

I'm definitely going to Seattle (tix already secured) and I'm hoping to also get down to San Diego.

Any Browns fans coming to Seattle there will be a decent contingent of Portland Browns Backers there along with the Seattle BB's. I will say, however, the tix for Seahawks games are PRICEY!

Been on the phone w family in SD.. I'm 85% sure I'll be attending the Bolts game.

Yes, we won 7 games last year without a quarterback. Look at who we beat. We did beat the Steelers and Bengals, but then got trounced by the Bengals later on.... Then we beat some really BAD teams. And lost to some bad teams as well. The Jags and Texans were NOT good teams but we managed to lose to them anyway.

And once again we are going in to a season without a quarterback. Unless Farmer pulls one out of his cooloo we have nothing at the position yet again. We are playing a MUCH tougher schedule, and we have an inexperienced first time OC calling the plays. How are we SO much better this year? We have no pass rush. We can't stop the run. But our defense is awesome? Cool! Lets get those sack numbers down to single digits and we'll be in the Super Bowl. Lets give up 300 rushing yards a game and the world will bow to our defensive greatness.... We have ONE asset on defense. Our secondary played very well last year for the most part, despite the Gilbert debacle. They got a lot of interceptions and made some nice plays. Aside from that we need HELP. We NEED an elite pass rusher. Or THREE. Get this defense to the point where we get 50 sacks and can stop the run? With our secondary we WILL be that dominate defense some believe us to be. With no pass rush, guys like Mallet kick our ass.

Absolutely! And when the other option is a very small, run at the first sign of trouble, kid who just got out of rehab? Well, we sure do know we're the Cleveland Browns don't we? Ouch!

Good! I want to play the better teams for that is how you improve. Not much to be gained playing the poorer teams relative to improving yourself...

Your just always sunshine and lollipops aren't you? You guys all did the same belly aching this time last season, we suck, we be lucky to win 2-3 games and look we won seven. Our defense won helped us win alot of games last year and kept us in ones we should have won. What did we lose from defense that will make it worse this year, it will be better. Our running game was good when defenses had to respect our pass somewhat, we didn't lose anything from our run game, it should be as good or better. The only thing lost was a QB that completely fell apart when it mattered most and an OC that couldn't put together a drive, points or even a first down in some cases at the end of the season. Maybe your right partly and this team isn't any better than last year but I don't get how it is so much worse.

We nearly beat the Colts with Hoyer chucking it to the Colts over and over. We sweep the steelers if Shanny commits to the run at the end of the game instead of having hoyer throw at yellow jerseys. We beat the Ravens in the first one if we get one first down.

I like where this team is and they are learning to win. commit to the run. Stick to the run and play solid D and we can beat anyone. Anything we get out of the passing game is a bonus.

But you registered here on 12-16-14; how would you know that? Were you posting previously under a different "name"?

Not True dude not true at all Hoyer threw 2 picks in the game one of which Cameron admitted he ran the wrong route. This is what I mean by making stuff up. To be sure Hoyer played bad that game but your not telling the truth either. If Cameron runs the right route as bad as Hoyer played we would have won. It's one of those things that guys want to lay everything at Hoyers feet and NOT be totally honest in doing so.

I think we all like the truth and not the slanted variety either. I hate having to say something but the truth is the truth, you may want to try it.