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yea. mingo got so many starts that year. and ofcourse that cornerback we took in the 3rd round played so much.....

naw the truth is he got fired for the roster heckert left.

Oh boy, you're throwing blood to the sharks with that statement, won't be long now until the fighting and Shanny comments commence!

*in my best Mortal Combat voice*
FIGHT!!

Where is McFadden now? Anyone know?

last i heard he was with the 49rs

Thanks!

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Pettine is the primary reason I'm not freaking out about how bad our FO allegedly is. When I look at the people he brought in this year for the offense.. I just get this feeling like he's in more control than he was last year. To the point I wouldn't be surprised if a report came out where he had a 'coming to Jesus' with Jimmy and Ray and said "Look, you brought me here to get this team winning again, You need to let me do it. The team was doing fine w/o your meddling. 1) we finished 7-9, better than anyone predicted... 2) if Hoyer had maintained an even keel, we would have been in the playoffs."

at least that's my hope

I agree. As much as I liked the hire at the time, it looks like Chud was Romeo II. I'm really glad it worked out the way it did. I think Jimmy saw the same thing, to much a players coach. And while Coach Pet does look like a players coach, he expects results no matter how much he likes you.

I think the reason I like the guy is that he never wavered throughout the season. Even with Johnny being a jerk-off, a GM sending texts to the staff, and an OC who clearly had other plans, you could never tell that there was anything dysfunctional going on behind the scenes. He was always genuine and honest and still was able to toe the company line and be the voice of the organization.

And, through all of this, he's the only one that didn't come out of the mess looking foolish. The same can't be said for some of the yahoos he is associated with....

Plus, like me, he is taller, bald and has a goatee. That makes him okay in my book.

Well, I'm short, have some hair and my face is as smooth as a babies butt, so what does that make me

Kyle Shanahan???

weak. cannot control the locker room. lets the gm badger the coaching staff both on game day and the after game coaching film review.

this will be his last year i think.

I was gonna say not Mike Pettine.... That was harsh Devil.....

Interesting on a couple of different levels.

I'm just numb about Pet he carries himself very well but on the other hand he has gone along with some real stupidity in his time here.

I think he is a solid coach who did a great job with the defense last year I hope he sticks I really do. I hope he learns how to handle a QB because I thought the entire organization was horrid at it and it continues to present day.

Farmer does nothing for me, he did well last year with the bottom of the draft but the top of the draft was horrible although I'm still hopeful.

Haslam is about as lost as lost gets, I wished he knew what he doesn't know. The guy honestly reminds me of a snake I do NOT trust him.

Well its not like Pet was in a position to just tell Ray and Jimmy to F-off was he? And he still really isn't is he? He's a guy making his rookie debut in a franchise that's been a mess for over a decade. He had to get his feet and credibility in or to have enough leverage to do something like that. Now if we had landed someone like Belechik I would see him having the ability to tell them to F-off as he walked in the door.

As someone mentioned before, in spite of all the stuff this off season, Pet has come out of it pretty much unscathed. He hasn't been the fall guy for anything. And interestingly enough, he's established himself as the kind of person who owns up when he messes up. He hasn't really owned up to anything during all this. I think that Pet is the kind of guy that is willing to let you hang yourself and I think that's what he did with Jimmy and Farmer. They're the ones who look stupid.. not him.

Sadly, yes he can.

I think for pettine this could not have been a better offseason. He gets rid of a few coaches he had some issues with and brought in his guys. I do feel we improved in QB coach and in receiver coach. Flip however is gonna need a heck of a year to show he was an upgrade over Shanny but he also has Shanny's line coaches and rb coach and that is key.

O'connel had johnny throwing the ball better than ever and for whatever reason we made him look very robotic last year. I ripped hoyer for bad throws early but his mechanics just got worse and worse every week and when he was finally benched he was throwing like a bowlegged cowboy going into a gun fight.

i do think Joker is a good receivers coach and fits in with the personality of this tough nosed team that Pettine wants.

I think if anything Pettine probably gained power this offseason.

I think Loggains was a crappy Qb coach. Did he even offer advice to Hoyer when his fundamental game stated to collapse? If JF was so clearly unprepared, why didn't it seem like Dowell didn't even care. Kevin I am much more happy with

I remember when Loggains opened his mouth about the draft text from JF and Pettine made him wear a visor that said "I'm a dummy" or something to that effect, haha

I agree with just about all of this. Only part I don't is that I don't think Flip has to she he was an upgrade. I think that's setting the bar unfairly high. IMO he needs to show that a) he has a plan and b) is able to call a decent game. In this regard he is set up for success (QB issue aside) because he's inheriting a run scheme we've already established and has shown to be pretty damn good. He doesn't have to create an entire scheme from scratch because he's getting some solid building blocks.

I know some people were upset because Pet 'picked his friends' (as if no other coach has ever done that ).. but based on everything else we know about him, I just don't see him bringing these guys in to the fold unless he really thinks they can get the job done.

I'm excited for the season to be honest.

Not sure how I posted that twice. My apologies.

Not only was Loggains an awful coach, there is a poster on here who tries to paint him as a huge loss and some type of sign that the organization is dysfunctional.

I was pretty ticked off when they dumped Chud and his staff and wasn't sure about Pettine when they hired him, but if you listen to the guy, he's solid. No question about it. I think we have a winner here.

I was again ticked off when Shany was allowed to leave, but then I thought about it, the Offense completely fell apart from about the middle to the end of the season. When I sat down and thought about it, I realized, you can't blame the QB or the lack of a center for everything that happened. Some of that has to filter up to the OC..

I'm not nearly as upset about it anymore. Hope Flip is the real deal.

j/c

BTTB and pblack, what do you want Pettine's and Farmer's relationship to be? Do you want Farmer locked away in an ivory tower sitting on his hands with his mouth and eyes taped shut during game day? He's a football guy, I don't mind him giving input to the coaching staff within the limits of the rules. Now I don't want him dictating play calls or mandating who plays, but I don't see the issue with questions/suggestions. Timing is a factor, I don't want him saying why don't we run play X right now. If during a TV timeout he were asking why JM was running a designed keeper that hadn't been in the gameplan or practiced that week, I'd be completely understanding. If he asked what Pet thought about maybe seeing what Manziel could do after watching Hoyer put together a string of sub-par games, I'd understand. So much depends on the context of what was said more than just the broad strokes, and as far as I know no one on the boards has access to the complete text transcripts.

I want our Head Coach and GM to communicate regularly and be on the same page.

I agree ..no way should the GM sit down with the HC and discuss the game, what transpired, things that went right or wrong and what they can do together to improve or fix them.

How dare GM try to understand what a coach needs, I mean once the original roster is set, the GM should just sit on his hands for the rest of the year and do nothing...no interaction with coaches or players... he gave the HC some players let the coach figure it out from there, I mean its not like he can add or change any players throughout the year..

yea how dare pettin lose trust in farmer!!!! doesnt pettin know all farmer was doing was for pettins own good!!!!

I want Farmer to do his job and just his job. I don't think this is a Farmer issue I think its a Haslam issue for the record. I think in the heat of battle Farmer should stay the hell out of it. Pet assuming he is competent has enough to deal with, without input from Haslam cough cough Farmer.

Look I have said this before and I hate repeating myself. On the face of it alone it appears innocent, but what it really says is we don't trust our coach or we think we are smarter then the coach and he is blowing it so we HAVE to put our 2 cents in. There is a time and place for everything let the coach do his job I say.

Have you ever worked for a boss that was constantly up your ass? Ever found yourself saying I wished he would just leave me alone and let me do my job? Just becuase someone is your boss doesn't mean they are smarter then you nor does it mean they have a better insight. At the end of the day Farmer should be getting players for Pet that fit his team, and from there its Pets job to put that all together and make it work. If Farmer or Haslam want to be coaches they can do that there isn't anything in the rule book that says they can't be, but Sunday comes Pet is the boss and anybody that interferes with that is out of place.

This team and management have been accused of being dysfunctional and this little innocent thing is a window into that dysfunction. I'm hopeful they (Haslam) corrects this behavior or sooner or later it will get us. I know this if I were Pet I wouldn't like it, not a bit it builds distrust and will get us sooner or later. The only thing I can say is maybe it had nothing to do with football and was like hey lets have dinner after the game? How likely is that?

I know some of you like to defend every move these guys make, its a discredit to you all that you can't put that to the side and look at this for what it is. Wrong!

I think the GM and HC should talk about the game. BUT NOT DURING THE GAME. The HC has enough to do during the game without explaining to a micro-manager the why's and wherefores of his decisions in real-time.

They should do a recap on Monday from the viewpoint of player evaluations. If the GM wants to ask about specifics that happened during the game he's entitled to get some answers that will help him understand the HC's decisions which will further help him "get on the same page". If he wants to hear the reasons behind some of the decisions I think he's entitled to that too. After all, he is a football player. He's not alienated to the game.

If he wants to offer suggestions, (suggestions-not demands), I think he's entitled to that too. BUT NOT DURING THE GAME.

Our GM and HC are both football guys. They should talk football for a variety of reasons. But they each have their own specific responsibilities and they should each stick to what they know best without meddling into the affairs of the other.

good post.



once the 53 man roster is set the only questions that should be asked by farmer is " what kind of player do you need that can helps us win. any concerns he has about play call or playing time for players should be one on one with the HC. not on game review with the whole coaching staff.

all that did was undermine pettin and spread resentment in the coaching staff.

I think the big part is it says I don't trust you Pet, I know better then you. And it backfired on them all as it should have.

Farmer has done really well at the bottom of the draft and in finding talent in the UDFA market but the top of the draft is where your impact and pro bowlers come from and they should actually be the easier picks. And he was lacking there.

Overall I would give him a passing grade but he has to do better with the top of the draft, and he absolutely must stay in his own lane. Should this or something similar happen again Farmer or Pet may have to go. I only hope that Pet ripped in to him but good as well he should have and I include Haslam in that, this sort of thing undermines the coach and that simply can't be allowed to happen.

I don't buy the this was their 1st year bla bla bla stuff, Farmer and Pet have been around long enough to know the ins and outs and their suppose to be professionals, I expect they will do better because they have too, in order to just survive. This season is bound to put them to a real test with a lack of competent QB they are setting the table for a tuff season. One the fans aren't going to like and I figure both will be ripped in the media relentlessly.

Its funny how much support they have in a way because after they loss a couple of games the gloves will come off. I pray they can keep it together get better and grow the team. My biggest fear is that fans won't look at the body of work and they will nail their asses to the cross for not getting or keeping a QB that can lead this team. I think it will undoubtedly be justified criticism, because to this poster this entire QB thing was at least somewhat avoidable. They choose this route which is their right but they need to know they will be held accountable. Still though I hope Farmer learns to put TEAM 1st, I honestly think he was settling some scores by how he treated Hoyer, and in the process he hung the team out to dry. He will be road hard based on this issue I would bet my last dollar unless of course he can get a QB that can lead this team this year and that isn't McCown thats for damned sure.

Still though I hope they weather the storm because I do see good.

Kyle wanted out and I do NOT blame him. This isn't how you run a team. For now I haven't given up on these guys, but I hope Haslam and Farmer grow into their positions and are better for having screwed up. Sometimes you can actually learn more from your mistakes then you ever learn from your successes lets hope thats the case.

Everyone do your job and only your job, and please give all your support and the resources available to the starting QB its how you win.

You might wish to rethink point 3.

All three points need rethinking.

The ass chewing may by bit of a stretcher as well.

The better question is how could Pet not know. This leads me to believe once again Farmer was undermining the coaching staff, that cannot happen...

I agree it shouldn't have happened, but I feel it has been addressed, and doubt highly if it will happen again.

I think Pettine has risen up the ladder, and Farmer has been humbled. I personnally hope these guys stay he for a long while.

yea. it was reported from game 2 on. but that was just reporters. i have tried to make my point with facts of what haslem, pettine, and farmer said.

i have no idea what your talking about. i see there is no link thingy for answer above your post. hope nobody was stupid enough to get banned because of me.

Who has said that parameters have been drawn. I agree there should be parameters but I haven't heard anyone besides you say so. This is where Haslam should be drawing lines and by all appearances he is good with how things are structured.

And yes our 2nd round pick looks good while our 1st round picks looked well awful. So I will revise my statement to say the top of our draft looked horrid. Better now? I'm hopeful for Gilbert I can see what they saw in him from a talent standpoint but he is of questionable character and they should have know. 1st round picks are huge investments and they need to pay off or have a risk reward potential for a huge pay day for the team. QB's ALL fall into that category IMO.

I actually almost give them a pass here on the JF pick but I think if they had been more thorough in their assessment that pick doesn't happen. Oh I know that was because Farmer didn't have is people in place (wink wink).

As for Farmer being in the film room on Monday, let him get his own room and leave the coaches the hell alone. If he see's something and he has questions let him go to the coach with his concerns, but his place is NOT with the coaches let them do their jobs. His presence shows the level of micro managing that we are engaged in.

Having said all that it appears that he was texting coaches with Pet's blessing, after all how could this go on without Pet knowing? And if Pet didn't know why didn't he know? Which leads to a distrust of the coaches and undermines Pet, this is a serious issue and a disturbing one too. I hope they have their house in order, but with the platform comment I don't think so. SAD

What a crock. It is known that Pettine was not happy about it when he found out. Try making up something else.