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again, agreed.

I do hope that my main point wasn't missed, however. Dude should still be alive, no questions asked.

Obama hasn't said all that much I agree with recently, but on this, we agree.

And I'm not going to place any blame, but go watch some of the footage from the service if you can find it.. the clips that I have seen were very animated, very heated, very much a call for JUSTICE... and by now we should know that justice doesn't mean some cops being fired or even arrested, in the minds of some, justice means revenge.

I think they're calling for the same thing they've been calling about the same thing they have been since they were brought to this country... Fair treatment.

It sure looks that way, hopefully whatever report the Baltimore officials put out on Friday will provide some measure of clarity.

Of course not. They are caught in the middle too.

I don't know if it was 2000, or 1990, but I watched the head of the KGB, or a KGB member former head of the Communist party, on "60 minutes" you know the Sunday night Nationaly televised network show.

And the whole point of the segment was, Him saying right there with his own lips that
We were going to use the feelings of those discriminated against in order, ... well to cause trouble in the United States.
It was 20 years ago, I can't remember everything about it, but I know it was 60 minutes.

Am I saying the communists are behind any? NO! I'm just saying this sucks! But people should remember that son of a gun said that on American Tv, on 60 minutes, right to our faces, and it still blows my mind.

If America turns against itself, who wins.

America has turned against itself some time ago. Just look at the heavy partisan politics. Look at the divide and hatred. The divide between the poor, the middle class and the uber wealthy. None of that is really so new.

It's just new brewing hard at the surface.

well...this is interesting:

What's interesting? That there are inner city white kids who saw an opportunity to loot a store as well? There is nothing interesting about that.

the title to her Instagram post should not be "Look who was actually looting" it should be "Look who ELSE was looting"

the media is trying to report this as strictly black.

thats why i posted the pic.

I had seen video footage and other pics that had white people in it, and simple common sense says that when the opportunity to loot presents itself, people other than black people are going to participate. It's a personal character thing, it's not a color thing.

I just took exception to the word "actually".. which reads as "instead of" blacks, it was these white people... I probably shouldn't scrutinize the grammar of an Instagram post so thoroughly.

it would help. Your kids are gonna make some post that are gonna have you flipping the table upside down. i promise you lol

My son is already 18.... I've seen his posts, what they lack in common sense they make for in poor grammar.

I must admit I was wrong in an earlier post.

According to the reports today, most of the looters and rioters were residents of the city. Last night I was hearing and feeling they were opportunistic imports. My mistake. Just a reason to wait and hear the facts prior to conviction.

An extraordinary show of solidarity, love and intelligence is going on in Baltimore right now. These people should be proud of their goal, mission and determination. What a difference a day makes. Many parents are taking a stand and demonstrating how responsible people deal with issues. Very nice to see.

I think that the fundamental question of what happened to Freddie Gray while in police custody remains unanswered, and that is the problem.

The police had a week before he died, and another week afterwards. There has been no additional information provided, beyond that fact that six officers are on paid administrative leave. Until information is provided, the appearance is that the police department is trying to hide what happened.

Which media? I haven't heard that yet. I saw blacks, whites, a few middle easterners (I think), and those of indeterminate mixed races.

Until those who grow up in poverty regardless of color change from their culture of glorified violence, disdain for education, and lack of respect for those in authority they will always be treated poorly because you reap what you sow.

I am not saying it's right, just that it's reality. They only person that can lift you up in life is yourself and your family. If your family can't be relied on then its all on you to save yourself.

Personally I would like to see any kid 13 years or older caught breaking the law sent to a military academy for boys. The kind that enforces discipline and give tough love. I say that because from my experience its probably the only thing that will save them. Whether its good parents who can't control their child or a good kid starting to turn bad because his parents are horrible being put into a new environment often helps a lot to reset behavior.

It's a lot better than leaving them in public schools that have no chance to save them but take all the blame.

I've seen the same video titled, "From Lazy Welfare Queen to Hero Mom?".

Just like all cops are not brutalizers, all moms of young black men are not smoking crack.

This scene is more common than not and reflects what many believe as part of a perceived "anger issue" permeating the culture.

She and other mothers are heroes for many reasons other than smacking their black sons around and I'm sure a large percentage of those who looted and caused damage had been regularly bashed about the head by caring moms.

She's effectively treating a symptom, but the illness goes way deeper.

Read a follow-up article with the mom and while, like almost everybody else, I applaud what she did, the story is all-too common...

Single mom of 6, father is in jail (at least this boys father is, it didn't say if all 6 had the same father)...

It's not that the moms aren't trying but man.. you are really stacking the deck against yourself (and your kids) when you try to do it that way.

That kid's 'street cred' is completely ruined now. I wonder if his friends called up the next day, "Mrs. Graham, can Johnny come out and riot?"

I've seen two really polarizing perceptions of black women. I've known plenty of black men who attribute all of their success to a strong black single mother, or auntie who really instilled values and determination in their children.

Many friends of mine are eternally grateful towards their mothers for raising them the right way, and it seems like my black friends feel more indebted to their mothers than white friends...not sure if that is a stereotype or what....but it certainly seems that way.

Even during my stints in jail/prison, a lot of my cellmates talked about how much they loved their mothers, and how many of them were ashamed of their situation and how they looked in the eyes of their mothers.

But I also had a really intellectual-type cellmate who was talking about black men dating/marrying white women, and he attributed it to the mental state of young black women.

He basically said that their is an immense percentage of young black women that live with undiagnosed mental illness. Basically, he said that, in the hood, you are really hard pressed to find a young black woman with her head on straight. He was saying that schizophrenia, depression, and bipolar disorders are rampant amongst that demographic. And he equated it to the poverty, drug abuse amongst women who were pregnant, and growing up in sexually, physically, and mentally abusive environments...with men/boyfriends/fathers who were in and out of the picture, often fueling trust issues in these young women for years to come...

I could see his point, though, again, wondered if this was a stereotype as well.

So, I'm not to sure where the truth lies in between these two perspectives...but its fascinating none the less...

Looting and rioting isn't and never has been a strickly black crime. Make no mistake, no matter who does it, it's a crime.

Did you see the video of the guy stilling toilet paper and some food. He was asked if he thought it was right, his answer was something like it's right for me stomach not to be hungry...

He was a black guy, If you look behind him, was a white kid looting also.

I would've totally looted all the prescription medicine from that CVS....I would be all stocked up and ready for the coming apocalypse.....

Pain killers, anxiety, diabetes, hypertension, adhd.....herpes.....I'd be ready for anything.......

I despise all the profiling.

As many of you know, I am a teacher and almost all of them are black. Their parents don't riot. They don't come in and start trouble. One or two might be idiots, but one or two might be idiots at an all white school.

Not all whites hate blacks. Not all cops want to kill black men. Not all blacks are impoverished and uneducated. Hell, the two black ladies that work on my team are brilliant, hard-working, and have great morals. Not all blacks don't embrace education. Not all whites are achievers. Not all whites are guilty of not accepting the plight of minorities.

If you--and I don't give a rat's butt what race you are--judge other races as a whole.....you are ignorant, hateful, and only adding to the problem.

We need to unite as one. We are ALL human beings. Stop trying to dwell on creating a greater divide during a troubled time. Find solutions rather than stoking the fires of turmoil.

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Sorry if someone posted this already.

'Freddie Gray Had A Long Rap Sheet'

http://dailycaller.com/2015/04/28/freddie-gray-had-a-long-criminal-record/

Freddie Gray, the deceased man at the center of the unrest in Baltimore, had numerous run-ins with the law prior to his fatal detainment in April — with offenses ranging from felony drug possession to assault.

The 25-year-old’s criminal history starts in July 2007 with an arrest for “possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute and “unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance.” A month later, he was charged with three separate counts of drug possession, a count of violating probation, and making a “false statement to a peace officer.”

Heavy.com posted Gray’s complete rap sheet on Monday and it includes several charges — primarily for offenses relating to drug distribution.

March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance

March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault

January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing

January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute

December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute

December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance

August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing

January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana

September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape

April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation

July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute

March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance

March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute

February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance

August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation

August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana

August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance

July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)

The Washington Post reported on Friday that Gray had a lengthy criminal history and even had a two-year stint in prison. According to The Post, his charges were primarily for selling heroin and marijuana. However, only a few of the counts he was charged with resulted in convictions.

Before he died, Gray had two pending drug charges against him — one of which was a felony count for dealing heroin. In 2014, he was arrested on suspicion of serving as a lookout for a heroin dealer and the charges stemming from it could have sent him to prison for a long time. He cut a deal with prosecutors and was able to serve his time by doing several hours of community service.

Gray’s many run-ins with the law made him a familiar face for police officers, literally. Gray at the time of his last arrest could be identified by name simply through video surveillance.



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That doesn't make it OK to kill someone who is defenseless.

I agree, if that's what happened. But it does trip me out that people are rioting over a heroin dealer who may have gotten killed by the police.... A HEROIN DEALER. Just how many lives did the product that he sold over & over again take (to be fair - if any)?

It doesn't matter what the crime was or how horrible of a person he may have been, everyone is deserved justice. Not being beaten to death in the back of cop car.

'Witness says Freddie Gray was trying to hurt himself in Baltimore police van: Washington Post'

http://news.yahoo.com/witness-says-freddie-gray-trying-hurt-himself-baltimore-022916256.html

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Freddie Gray, whose death after being injured in Baltimore police custody sparked rioting in the city, was "banging against the walls" of a police van and "was intentionally trying to injure himself,” a prisoner being transported with Gray has said, the Washington Post reported on Wednesday.

The prisoner's account was contained in an application for a search warrant that was sealed by the court, the Post said. The prisoner, who is currently in jail, was separated from Gray by a metal partition and could not see him, the paper said.

Gray, 25, was found unconscious in the van when it arrived at a police station on April 12. He had suffered a spinal injury and died a week later.

The Post said the affidavit was part of a search warrant seeking the seizure of the uniform worn by one of the officers involved in the arrest or transportation of Gray.

(Reporting by Eric Beech; Editing by Peter Cooney)



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P.S. Could someone really do that to themselves? Seems far-fetched.

According to my wife, the uber-nurse, yes. The baltiwhore police have said that GPS data will show the van did not do a 'rough ride', as has been speculated. The witness on the other side of the partition was not slammed around by the ride.

I would have to assume (yes, assume) that Gray could have possibly been on his feet or throwing himself against a wall when the van braked, or some other situation happened that threw him off balance or caused him to hit with more force than intended. It's going to take the autopsy report before we can possibly know what actually happened.

But if he stopped breaking the law, he wouldn't have been in that situation to begin with and would still be alive.

Is this fact, fiction or opinion?

This really is the beginning, middle and end.

I can agree with that 100%

But are you sure someone killed him?

There was a report on the Today program this morning that reported a prisoner in the next cell heard him (freddy Grey) hitting his head on the wall or bars or something with nobody else in sight.

I can't seem to find the link to that, but it probably will show up on the Today Show Website at some point.

If I was facing charges (as Freddy was) I'd be looking for an "OUT". Maybe he thought he could beat himself up and say the cops did it. Maybe he went a bit too far.

I don't know if it's fact, but doesn't is stand to reason that you check that out before you loot and riot in the streets?

Does this mean I can start running over people who jay walk? Don't break the law and don't die? This isn't some fictionalized version of the Wild West.

ahhh, and the recurring theme continues.

blame the thug for getting himself killed. either way it's all his fault

Cop apologist: you sure he didn't bang his head and hurt himself in the van? surely something else happened rather than the cops beat him up.

so quick to excuse the cops, and slam the other party.


and then people wonder why we don't trust the police.

I have a hard time believing the cops official story. Who has more to lose here? A dead man or someone who could be charged for murder? I kinda doubt he broke his spine by throwing himself against the car.