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It was a tie-in with a conversation I was having with DC (and yes, DC- we WERE talking from 2 separate angles- sorry for the miscomm..).

I mentioned that at the time of his assassination, Dr. King was expanding his message away from strictly 'Black issues' to encompass economic fairness and social reform for ALL economically disadvantaged citizens.

That's probably where the 'non-sequitur' came from-

Yes. I thought it was common knowledge that Dr. King was speaking of raising the minimum wage by the time of his assassination. So to have someone who does not represent Dr. King's views on the world (He did see economic problems and disparity as a civil rights problem) take over for him is laughable.

Dr. King has been gone for what, 48 years? you can't look at it as somebody taking over for him. Kind of like saying the Browns need a running back to continue what Jim Brown started.

Not to mention, that's some damn intimidating shoes to fill.. the next Dr. King... good luck with that. In the current culture of Twitter and access to information, I seriously doubt if we will ever see another person like that because as much as we have deified Dr. King, he was not a perfect human being and in today's culture, those flaws would become common knowledge and used against him constantly.

Those aren't my words. I enjoy the decentralized nature of the protests. It is less focused and less efficient, but it matters much more. I don't care to see another Martin, Malcolm or Fred killed. Those three, and the many more who have been killed, have shown our generation how to be our own leaders. We don't need anyone to speak for us, we just need the people in power to hear it.

As long as "your leaders" are burning stores and cars, shooting each other, throwing rocks and burning trash cans at the police, popping out kids and not being responsible for them, not taking advantage of your educational opportunities, etc. don't hold your breath on the people in power hearing you.

Like it or not, that is the face of the current civil rights movement... and I'm pretty sure if you think that is what MLK taught your generation, then you missed the message.

To me, leaders are those who are great thinkers, lead in a positive direction and desire improvement for the betterment of the whole.

If that's what you're seeing then no wonder the message of equal treatment isn't getting through.

"In order for nonviolence to work your opponent must have a conscience."
--Kwame Ture

In order for nonviolence to work your opponent must have a conscience (which most "opponents" do. What's with the "opponents" thing?????) And, you need to quit being violent. Arch. 5-1-2015.

"I don't understand the Civil Rights history of this country." -- Arch. 5-1-2015

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Yup, wonder how many of those with a "conscience" are concerned with the lives they ruined, businesses they destroyed and dollars they are costing the tax payers of this country. Talk about a conscience. I would like to think they are lamenting their violence, but something tells me they are not and contrarily consider,themselves heroes in all of this sadness. A most unfortunate set of circumstances.

And do not make this statement about race, we know every race, ethnicity and religion were present in the destruction.

CHS's words - NOT mine.

(it would be nice if, when supposedly "quoting" someone, that you would first declare "this is not what the person I'm quoting said.") Thanks in advance.

What lives were ruined? I see a system that kills black people at every turn and that's state sanctioned and you're worried about tax payer money?

"...we understood perfectly that the life of a single human being is worth a million time more than all the property of the richest man on earth."
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Where are these thoughts within our military? I take it neither you, DC, or Arch support us completely removing ourselves from the Middle East and peacefully protesting terrorists? Why not. That war is ruining lives, destroying businesses and are costing the tax payers of this country.

Wow - you're all over the place.

Yes, I would be in favor of removing ourselves from the middle east entirely. We can't play peace keeper there. Nor anywhere.

Let them have at it.

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Back to the thread......I would be in favor of a multi ethnic panel of intelligent, big thinking, non criminal, forward thinking people established to discuss, outline and establish some creative thoughts on poverty, civil rights (for all) and the criminal justice system and ways to improve it for all people.

Present the out outcome, ask for additonal input and develop ways to implement the ideas. Politicians would be excluded from these panels to protect against special interest group influence.

I'm not. Someone is complaining about the cost of the tax payers when witnessing a system that executes a race of people.

This is constantly done in academia already.

I think they were referencing the jobs lost in those businesses burned, the property damage, cars etc. All that will affect those that it hit, while doing very little to those they were protesting.

But the truth be told, the riots had nothing to do with the protest, the protest was just a cover to start the riot by individuals who could care less about the cause.

That's some tin foil thinking...

stop. there's plenty of people already talking about this,

it's just not what YOU wanna hear.

No, we will not stop. We need many and varied opinions. Not just the that certain folks want to hear.

once again, there's plenty of varied opinions being said. it's just not sounding good to YOU. the solutions doesn't sound good to YOU.

Exactly Florida. Some are just too narrow minded to get the true meaning. That's o.k.. Others of intelligence and integrity will understand and will be the ones to effect change.

Violence is always more productive than intelligent minds coming together in a peacefull manner Right...right......some people...

What would you know about what sounds good to me? Sorry: nothing!

So material possessions are more important than a human life?

And violence and intelligence are not mutually exclusive.

clearly a lot since you're still complaining about it.

our country by its VERY NATURE is violent.

almost every single major change in this country came from violence. Say what you want about MLK, it took him getting CAPPED for an actual change to occur.

200+ arrests at these riots. Doesn't sound like the state sanctioned killings where police are going in guns blazing that you are describing.

We both know what I mean. Stop with the rhetoric.

Sure. Just as soon as you stop with your extreme over exaggerations.

Oh what a shame with all this rioting in Baltimore. It's scary but it sure doesn't compare to the Great Hispanic riots of, of, err. But it comes nowhere near the calamities of the Great Asian riots of 19 err, err.
How about the Indian riots and terrible conflagration of of err.

Anyhow, we need to be kinder to the Minorities so they can thrive in this Great Nation. We need better laws that favor them and more opportunities and schools and .....

spoken like a true bigot...

anyway, i'll just leave this here:



first off, waste of a bucket of KFC and grape drink.

second, we don't go to KFC like that, it's popeyes or church's chicken.

third, 50 bucks says his scope ain't even zeroed.

fourth, he worried about looking cool for this pic, ole buddy need to be worried about the teeth he clearly missing from dipping too much.

I am afraid that I don't get the picture.

And I would have guessed, with you being a former military man, you would have pointed out this moron hung his flag backwards. The blue field of stars is supposed to be on the left.

I am also tired of KFC being demonized like this. That was one of my favorite meals growing up, and Col. Sanders seemed a decent man when I met him.

to be fair with the flag, the reason it's positioned that way is to simulate it blowing in the wind.

our flag patches on our uniforms is positioned the same way.

he's stereotyping black people.

ya know, fried chicken. purple drank, and all that.

I mean damn, who doesn't like chicken?

Just as long as it's not served with waffles.

Yes 40, you make some interesting points on these matters. Why is it that so little trouble comes from the other Minorities in America?

I was speaking with my Mexican gardener the other day and I asked his opinion. He said anyone who comes to America and applies themselves with hard work and dedication will find success. It is one of the few places in the world where every man has a chance to make something of himself. He said you even see it in the Black Americans as the ones who work hard, get educated, and set goals instead of excuses, become successful. You see, Senior 40, how the Black News Anchors and Policemen, the Subway Engineers and the Firemen have worked hard to achieve success while other Black people complain and riot and are not successful. Many expect they are entitled to success because of past unfairness. We however know this is not so. Very seldom does anyone hand you anything in this world. Success must be earned and worked for, not given or taken.
Interestingly he finished with these words...
America does not have a Minority problem or a Race problem, it has an attitude problem among many Black Americans that only they can overcome.

His Mexican Gardner. Seriously?

US flag code.

(i) When displayed either horizontally or vertically against a wall, the union should be uppermost and to the flag's own right, that is, to the observer's left. When displayed in a window, the flag should be displayed in the same way, with the union or blue field to the left of the observer in the street.

I know that, and I got kicked out of the boy scouts 40 years ago.

i think you're not quite getting what i'm saying.

I've giving the guy the benefit of doubt here, as the reason the big flag is turn that way is because he was in the military, and we wear it like this:



look at the flag patch on the left. then look at the photo.