DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Tailgate Forum Its OSU vs Florida In BCS

Well they got in because of Rules.......and money. There is a rule that only 2 schools from a conference can be in a BCS bowl game.

1. Ohio State....Big 10 {Champ}(1) Title game
2. Florida.........SEC {Champ}(1) Title game
3. Michigan......Big 10 (2) Rose Bowl
4. LSU.............Sec (3)......Sugar Bowl
5. USC............Pac 10 {Champ}(1) Rose Bowl
6. Louisville......Big East {Champ}(1) Orange Bowl
7. Wisconsin ...Big 10 (3 can't be in BCS Bowl)
8. Boise State..WAC {Champ} (1) Fiesta Bowl
9. Auburn.........SEC (3 can't be in a BCS Bowl)
10. Oklahoma...Big 12{Champ} (1) Fiesta Bowl
11. Notre Dame..Ind (1) Sugar Bowl
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14. Wake Forest....ACC {Champ} (1) Orange Bowl


So Wisconsin and Auburn were left out of the BCS because two other schools from their conference were ahead of them and Notre Dame was the next obvious choice concidering the money and ratings they pull in.

bet me that nd will win

Give it up bro...at some point it sounds childish....

You have your opinion......that is all you have...I am trying to be on your side here, but you got what you got. Had you won a few weeks ago, you would be able to hear the Buck fans complain....but you didn't and you can't.

I know you like Michigan...I am of the opinion the Gators would eat your lunch...but...we aren't playing so there is no use talking about it.....is there?

Why would he....he thinks they will lose.

I would, but I could really care less for the game except for entertainment value. Hell, I was telling people I though ND would beat USC, but that didn't happen.

For LSU, it is essentially a home game - and they are battle tested, much moreso than ND.

I understand if you are a ND fan - but being real, do you think ND is much more superior than LSU? Do you think LSU is better than USC (I do)? Just curious as to where you're coming from...

I think LSU is as good as usc on d and prolly as good on o. I do think we'll lose but being a ND fan I'll never admit that we're going to lose. I think that JaMarcus Russel is an underrated QB and could tear us up if we're not careful.

Savior....I respect the support you shoe for your team but i have one question for you.

Have you watched LSU play at all this year?? Do you think that Notre Dame can physically handle them?? If you said that you thought Notre Dame could get it done, that is one thing but to say that you are going to kill them leads me to believe that you are not going to like what happens to Brady Quinn. However, LSU is inconsistent and can be had. The speed and athleticisim on that team is scary. LSU is going to be close to the top next year.

You've got ND at 11, they are 12th in the BCS, so West Virginia also got bypassed.

So of the two "rules," what one is worse,....Notre Dame's auto-qualifier status, or "No 3 teams from the same conference ??" You just can't keep everyone happy.

In that light though, perhaps a better thing to have done would be to pit LSU vs. Oklahoma (sound familiar ??) and if you HAVE to let ND in, they should be playing Boise (or even Wake) Those might make for better matchups. And, ND would have a shot at winning <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Yahoo must of screwed up because they have them at 11 and West Virgina at 13.

Bowl Champ. Series
1. Ohio State
2. Florida
3. Michigan
4. LSU
5. USC
6. Louisville
7. Wisconsin
8. Boise State
9. Auburn
10. Oklahoma
11. Notre Dame
12. Arkansas
13. West Virginia
14. Wake Forest
15. Virginia Tech
16. Rutgers
17. Tennessee
18. California
19. Texas
20. Brigham Young
21. Texas A&M
22. Oregon State
23. Nebraska
24. Boston College
25. UCLA

Link

I do realize that jamarcus russel is an animal

No, no, no, I owe you a big apology, I had been looking at the LAST column of the "Polls" section on CBS Sportsline.com. You're right, I dorked it up.

In any case, the "rule(s)" screwed two other teams certainly more deserving in my opinion.

Again, kudos on your homework. I'll do mine better,...

For anyone who cares, the early vegas line is OSU -7.

I wanna go 500 on Florida, that way, I win no matter what. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

That's my logic ... if the Browns ever get to the SuperBowl ... I'm loading up on whoever they're playing. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I almost think it would be smart to get in one of those early season deals, couple of hundred on the Browns to win at like 50:1.

My neighbor is a big dog gambler,...he caught on in Vegas on the Buckeyes back in the summer, I think at like 60:1 (when we had NO chance because we lost 9 starting defenders). He put 200 bucks on it, and he's licking his chops now,....

My father's done that every year since '99. <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />

what i don't understand is how michigan stayed at 2 after the loss to ohio state...

3 point loss on the road, that's fine and dandy, but isn't there that saying that everyone from fans, to players, to media, that says a loss late in the season hurts more than a loss early on? why didn't that hurt michigan more?

in my opinion, michigan is the better team, but i think florida's body of work is pretty damn good... if you win the best conference in college football, and you have an equal record to that of someone in a very good, but not as good conference, there should be no argument, and i don't understand why there is one...

i think if we're going to keep this bcs system (which i know, a playoff is the right way to go, but you can say that all you want, it may never happen), they should make a rule that says you can't play for a national championship if you don't win your conference, and as far as notre dame goes, they should be forced to join a conference (did you know notre dame, if they go to a bcs game, as they will, gets 100% of the money from the bcs sponsors? any other school that is in a conference has to give a percentage that gets divided for the other schools in their respective conference, lame)

but if a rule like that was made, we wouldn't have an argument, you could even put michigan at #2 and it wouldn't matter, if you don't win your conference, you shouldn't play for a title

what book did he go to? i'm an avid gambler myself, and every odds on national championships had ohio state at 7:1...

I agree, Notre Dame should never be allowed in the national championship game unless they join a conference.

Your preseason bets on the long odds are alway the best....I didn't hit Vegas this past year so i don't have any....but i had money on the Panthers, falcons, and NE in their first year........and won some big money on $150 bets...


You have to blanket a few team....With the both the falcons and Panthers I had about $1500 total on various teams and won some big odds and got a pay out of about $6000 each time...net gain about $4500 each time.....but...there have been years it didn't work out as well.

and speaking of wagering, i did take the browns at +175 yesterday

i said screw the points

I don't usually do game bets...only long odds....and I NEVER bet on my teams.....

I get mad enough at them as it is without the factor of them losing me money added into the mix.

i try and stay away from the browns, unless i have a good feeling... i thought they'd come out swinging after last week's debacle...

the buckeyes however, are one of the best teams at covering spreads... before the bowling green game they had covered some 12 or 13 straight spreads...

i thought rutgers should've gotten the nod over notre dame...

i know that never would have happened because of the high profile of notre dame.. but rutgers did beat a top ten opponent, and the irish did not...

rutgers style of football is much better... good defense, good running game, pass efficiency... not this pass on every down go for it on fourth and let's forget playing defense style that charlie weis has run with...

what book did he go to? i'm an avid gambler myself, and every odds on national championships had ohio state at 7:1...

I will try to find out for you,...

I really don't have a problem with them not being in a conference, it provides some spice we wouldn't have otherwise. What I don't appreciate is the special treatment they get, while playing an extremely weak(er) schedule that, this year, included all of the Service Academies ?? (and I went to an equivalent,..) who should be relegated to 1-AA TOMORROW (I would like to see them be able to compete for a National title).

And I said earlier, if you HAVE TO take them as an at-large for the money, at least put them in a game that would be a better matchup, i.e. Boise, and let's see Okie and LSU duke it out !!

i thought rutgers should've gotten the nod over notre dame...


That's a reach, lbj,...but I would have stuck West Virginia in there,...

why is it a reach? because they're rutgers?

i watched about 4 or 5 of their games this year, they're a solid team

schedule isn't strong, but neither was notre dame's...

and for whoever wants to bet the irish will beat lsu, please, please, wager with me, i will take that to the house!

LMAO - someone save this please

LSU is one of the best teams in the nation this year IMO.. they are stacked with talent! They've had some problems at QB... but I think they'll roll over ND easily. <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

No, you're takin' me wrong bro'.....I would much rather have seen Rutgers, as an underdog, run the table. My point here though would be, they lost to West Virginia, and the 'Neers finished a few places ahead of them in the BCS, 13 vs 16 I think. So if you were gonna " replace " The Irish, I would not have had a problem with WVa,....(nor Rutgers, but not over a team they lost to.)

Granted Rutgers had a great record, but no way I put them in a BCS bowl

I watched Rutgers play about 5 times myself, Not nearly as impressive as WV or even ND.

They blew it when they overlooked Cincinnati,...

I will have a lot of fun! <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

I will venture out to the local pub with about five or six Ohio Sate fans to watch this game! <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

We will be out numbered 1,000 to 1................. <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

It will get ugly as the Buckeyes show the Gators why we (yes the Buckeyes are number) UNO! <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

GO BUCKEYES!

You have to admit that Rutgers win against Louisville was impressive they just kept getting after it.

i can definitely see west virgina... that loss to south florida really hurts though, they really took a dump on their season...

i just like rutgers better because they play my style of football, hard nosed, solid tackling, and running the damn ball, i love it...

and how about this buckeye fans?

december 23rd, Ohio St. vs Florida

in basketball!

that is going to be a wild game, oden versus noah, the fans bickering more than just bball...

by the way, the browns, on some books right now are +300 to win on thursday... i'm in no way guaranteeing victory, but i think the browns can win this game... and 3 to 1 odds on just one game? i'll be playing that, even a small bet can give you a few extra bucks...

Just as a side note, That South Florida team was pretty tough this year. They dropped a wide open 2 pt conversion pass against Rutgers that would have sent the game to OT. Grothe is a freshman and he is a tough kid. I look forward to seeing him play next year.

Why Florida? Voters explain their logic
An independent BCS analyst estimates that 65 of the 175 Harris and 'USA Today' voters moved the Gators past Michigan in the final ballot.

By Richard Rosenblatt

Associated Press

Tuesday, December 05, 2006

Avoid a rematch. Stronger schedule. Conference champion.

Those were the main reasons cited Monday by many poll voters for jumping the University of Florida football team over Michigan on their final ballots, setting up a Gators-Buckeyes matchup in the Bowl Championship Series national title game Jan. 8.

"If you beat a team one time, why do they get the national championship if they win the second time?" said Earle Bruce, the former Ohio State coach who votes in the Harris Interactive poll and moved Florida ahead of Michigan. "I mean, they've already played one time and lost."

The Gators (12-1), who beat Arkansas to win the Southeastern Conference title Saturday, moved from fourth to second in the final BCS standings Sunday. The Wolverines (11-1), who lost to the Buckeyes 42-39 Nov. 18, remained third, while Southern California dropped to fifth from second after losing to UCLA.

"At the end of the day, Florida won its conference championship. Michigan did not," said Harris poll voter Ray Melick of The Birmingham News. "Because there's not a playoff, I think a conference champion ought to carry more weight than a conference runner-up at the BCS conference level."

Strength of schedule carried weight with voters, too.

It was such a big deal for Jim Walden, a former Washington State head coach, that he picked Florida No. 1 in the Harris poll, calling Florida's schedule "murderous."

"In my heart of hearts, I believe that neither Ohio State or Michigan could get through Florida's schedule with only one loss," Walden said.

Tom Luicci, a Harris voter who bumped Florida up to second, said he made his assessment based on Florida's body of work ? not one game.

"Michigan has quality wins over Wisconsin, which played no one, and Notre Dame, which won the Commander's-in-Chief trophy (a reference to wins over the service academies), which I don't consider a major coup."

"Michigan had its shot," said Harris voter Joe Biddle of The Tennessean. "If you replayed that game it would be nothing more than a Big Ten championship ? and I don't think you get mulligans in college football.

"If there's a viable alternative, I stay away from a rematch, and I think Florida gives them a viable alternative."

Jerry Palm, an independent BCS analyst, estimates that 40 of the 113 voters in the Harris poll and 25 of the 62 in the USA Today coaches' poll moved the Gators past the Wolverines. The teams were tied in the computer ratings, the third component of the BCS standings.

The Associated Press media poll is not used in the BCS rankings, but 25 of the 65 voters moved Florida ahead of Michigan.

Illinois coach Ron Zook, who used to coach Florida, was among the voters who elevated the Gators. He also was the only Big Ten coach to vote Florida ahead of Michigan.

"Believe me, it's no slight to Michigan at all," Zook said. "I thought you were supposed to vote the way you feel. One vote wasn't going to make the difference. A bunch of people turned and flipped and voted Florida ahead of Michigan. For me, it was the fact that they played a 13th game."

And then there were those who stuck with Michigan.

"I kept Michigan second even after they lost to Ohio State, and felt nothing has changed for me since that loss for Florida to jump over them," said coaches' poll voter Brian Kelly, the former Central Michigan coach who accepted Cincinnati's job Sunday.

David Glazier, Detroit Lions senior vice president who votes in the Harris poll, said he had problems with the "politicking that people in the media did, trying to steer people away from a rematch."

He also had the novel idea of voting for the better team.

"Did I want to see a rematch? No," he said. "But my job was to vote for the top 25 teams, not who should play who, and after watching as much college football as anybody, I believed Michigan was the second-best team."

The last rematch in the national title games was in 1996, when Florida beat Florida State for the national title after losing to the Seminoles in the final game of the regular season.

South Carolina's Steve Spurrier, who coached the Gators to the '96 national championship, moved Florida past Michigan in the coaches' poll.

His reasoning?

"Heck, I'm a Gator," he said. "I went there. So I had a lot of reason to vote for them right there."



Find this article at:
http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/content/oh/story/sports/college/osu/2006/12/04/ddn120506polls.html

South Florida has been very, very good now for a couple of years. Seems to me I remember being glad they left 1-AA,...?? I could be wrong.

South Carolina's Steve Spurrier, who coached the Gators to the '96 national championship, moved Florida past Michigan in the coaches' poll.

His reasoning?

"Heck, I'm a Gator," he said. "I went there. So I had a lot of reason to vote for them right there."



Thanks for the read,...I expected such stupidity from Spurrier. Is this any better than abstaining ?? We need a playoff. Use the BCS to "seed" and then get it on, or all we'll ever have is more of this,...

[color:"orange"]Mich got screwed...these so called experts really sold Fla...anything but Mich on the premise...Mich had their Championship game against OSU and lost...but that was by the narrowest of margins and in OSU's stadium...Championship game is in a nuetral site.

It was again the Media trying to show their power and influence 66 coaches changed their votes on who was #2.

Funny thing is it will be the media who will trash the BCS when OSU is up by 30 by Halftime and people start changing their channels to Anything else on TV.

But I see the media actually giggling like they can't believe they got that much power that they actually changed everyones mind and were able to pull it off <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Well hopefully this will at least put them a step closer to a Playoff system.

top 16 teams...can't get any fairer than that.
JMHO