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Of course I am a sinner! Now should I list my sins and call you a Bigot when you refuse to ok those sins? Can I call you every name under the sun if you don't say those sins aren't so bad and we should pass laws to allow me to continue committing those sins? I think not.
That is exactly what the Homosexuals and posters here are requiring of me.

Are you confusing sins with laws?

Because all of us sin daily, but not all those since are against man's laws. Those are the laws we are talking about, the ones we answer to man's courts for.

The laws against God are not for me to create or enforce, but for m to follow, and to answer to him when my time comes for those sins I committed.

All God asks of me is to spread the message, his word, and to love thy neighbor. My neighbor's sins are between him and God.

J/C

-I'm conservative and have always voted Republican since I was 18.
-I support homosexual marriage. It doesn't affect me in any way and who am I to tell two people they can't live happily together for eternity? I'm not that important to prevent those people from having the same life as I. Perhaps, those against it should spend significant time around homosexuals to recognize they're not beasts looking to tear the nation apart. Anybody who thinks that is ignorant.
-Abortions should be legal since it's the woman's body, not mine. Again, who am I to tell someone they can't do what they want with their own body? I'm not that important.
-I'm Native American and know the history of my people pretty well. What happened to my ancestors wasn't anti-white propaganda forced into peoples' heads by progressive indoctrination educators. Again, somebody who thinks that is insensitive, truly ignorant, and out-of-touch with the real world.

so you're an actual conservative who wants to stay out of people's lives as long as it doesn't interfere with your rights?

There's not that many on this board.

Nope, I'm asserting that it's foundations are already being undone from within...

The divorce rate still hovers around 50%.. 35% (24.6 million) kids live in single parent homes, over 640,000 kids in foster care, 63% of women murdered are murdered by a person they are currently or previously had an intimate relationship with.... I'd say we passed "isn't perfect" a long time ago. All of this happened without gay marriage or polygamy or legalized incest or marrying an armadillo or a toaster... these are the numbers the current foundation gave us... not sure which part of that you think will be made so much worse by allowing gay people to get married and raise children.

And that's unfortunate. People place far too much importance on themselves and their opinions when these types of issues come up.

No, I am not confused at all. When my Lord walked the earth did he say to the sinner, hmmmm, we will deal with that later?
No! He said "Go and sin no more!"

Yes we spread the word, yes we love our neighbors, no we don't judge people as to whether they will go to Heaven or Hell. But YES we should ALWAYS stand against sin and we should ALWAYS point out when our government tries to legalize what we consider to be sinful! Stand up and point at sin!
Then when men decide to commit the sin anyway, we have done our best, our duty, and then we lost that one but we never are afraid to stand up and point.

Anyone who feels America is ordained by God, and that gay marriage will lead to God turning his back on America, must agree that God is pro-slavery, anti-black, anti-asian (railroads), and anti-native american. So I think 40's comments are spot on and shouldn't surprise anyone.

Christians like 40 have more in common with the Pharisee's than they do with the teachings of Jesus.

Big diff between a Conservative and a Christian Conservative just like the diff between a Fiscal Conservative/Social Liberal and a Fiscal and Social Conservative.

I am a White person who's family was here from the beginning and who knows the history of his people very well. Many of my ancestors were slaughtered as sport by the Native Americans and to those who think it was all one way are mistaken or perhaps as you say. ignorant.

-"Big diff between a Conservative and a Christian Conservative just like the diff between a Fiscal Conservative/Social Liberal and a Fiscal and Social Conservative."

You don't say.

-"I am a White person..."

Could have fooled me.

-"I am a White person who's family was here from the beginning..."

Beginning of what, your ancestors invading the country and forcing it into their possession?

Foolish to think that Jesus Himself was not Black, or at least olive in color. God does not hate men, God hates the sins men commit.
40 agrees with God.

No. We discovered it. Native Americans were invaded. Works both ways and this is what lead to the wars. Most people want to look at it as bad Europeans, poor Natives but it isn't that simple. It was a clash of cultures and superior technology decided it. Crimes and slaughter were done on both sides.

I discovered your house, I should be able to overtake it and claim it as my own if I have more guns than you. Yes?

Hi 40.

So you've now heard from me, DC, Florida, Swish, CHS, Lemmy, Columbus....

... this group of individuals represents about as broad a cross-section of American political ideology as could be assembled in one place. Liberals, conservatives, devout church-going Christians, atheists... you name it. Each of them in their own specific ways, have explained to you with common sense, logic and well-reasoned presentations why this issue is now being addressed in the highest court in the land. And they're telling you exactly what I tried to get you to understand when you and I first started this dialogue:

An entire segment of American citizens are being denied rights that all the rest of us can take for granted. Their treatment is unconstitutional, and Americans of virtually every political and ideological stripe can clearly see it. This unfair treatment is being exposed for exactly what it is: bigotry and repression, sanctioned by the state through centuries of inaction. They see it, they see that it's wrong, and now they're ready to see this great (but not yet perfect) institution correct itself.

It really has nothing to do with religion... it's a matter of civics and the law. Which is exactly what I told you in the first place. Everything else- the break-down of family units, "immorality," the "dismantling of a great nation"... all of it is boilerplate side issues that do not deal with the issue in question.

Civil rights for all Americans.

Either we're all free, or Lady Liberty is a hypocrite.

No. We have learned from History that that isn't wise. If people don't learn the true History of things, they will be doomed to repeat their mistakes.

Look, I have nothing against anyone. I am well aware of my History and yours and I know for a fact that the Europeans came here, my ancestors were in the second wave after the Mayflower. They felt they discovered it, the Native Americans even helped them to get settled. A clash in cultures took place after a while. It is Historical fact that this story has two sides but today's people are only taught one side and that is based mostly on emotion, not fact.

-"No. We discovered it. Native Americans were invaded."

Why are you saying no? That's exactly what I said.

-"Works both ways..."

What works both ways?

-"...this is what lead to the wars."

Wasn't much of a war, it was a mass genocide of almost an entire population and culture spread over a long period of time.

-"Most people want to look at it as bad Europeans, poor Natives but it isn't that simple."

When you kill that many people, that much of a culture, then act like it was an even contest hundreds of years later, THAT is something people take issue with. The invading Europeans basically had nuclear warheads against the already established Native Americans with pistols. Not only did the Europeans take the land, they also decided to continue wiping the Natives off the face of the planet.

-"Crimes and slaughter were done on both sides."

Seriously? That's how you're going to try to justify the near extinction of Native Americans?

other than the fact that european diseases killed over 90 percent of the native american population.

http://www.pbs.org/gunsgermssteel/variables/smallpox.html

facts are funny, aren't they?

That is probably what is referred to as anti-white propaganda forced into peoples' heads by progressive indoctrination educators.

Yes Clem I have heard them all. I have been called an Idiot, Liar, Racist, Homophobe, Bigot and now even a Pharisee. I hate Native Americans, Blacks, Asians, God and I overpay a Mexican man.

I have been told I am wrong as I express my opinion that all things that men do are not good and should not be a civil right. I believe their are limits to what should be acceptable if we are to continue in a successful society.

I have become the twelfth juror.

Would've heard from me, but I try (TRY) to not feed the troll.

I respect your beliefs. I'm sure that you're not just trying to provoke. I doubt you will ever change your beliefs and that's OK with me.

Thanks w.

More Americans Are Comfortable With A Gay Presidential Candidate Than With An Evangelical One

More Americans feel comfortable with a presidential candidate who identifies as gay or lesbian than with one who identifies as an evangelical Christian, according to a new poll.

The latest WSJ/NBC poll listed a series of qualities in a potential presidential candidate and asked respondents whether they'd "be enthusiastic," "be comfortable with," "have some reservations about" or "be very uncomfortable with" a candidate with each of those qualities.

The results revealed that Americans are actually quite open to having a gay presidential candidate. Sixty-one percent said they would be either enthusiastic about or comfortable with a gay or lesbian candidate, while only 37 percent said they would have reservations or be uncomfortable.

By comparison, respondents were a little less comfortable with the prospect of a candidate who is an evangelical Christian. Fifty-two percent said they'd be enthusiastic about or comfortable with an evangelical Christian running for president, while 44 percent expressed some degree of hesitancy about the idea. (Two percent of respondents said they were not sure about a gay or lesbian candidate, while four percent were not sure about an evangelical.)

The results point to a cultural shift in perceptions of gay people in recent years. While perspectives on evangelicals remain largely the same, the same survey found in 2006 that only 43 percent of Americans fully accepted the idea of a gay or lesbian presidential candidate, while 53 percent had reservations or were uncomfortable.

Other qualities that made more respondents uncomfortable than comfortable included not having a college degree, being a leader in the tea party, and lacking previous elected experience.

The WSJ/NBC poll surveyed 1,000 adults via live interviews on landlines and cell phones between April 26-30.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/05...kushpmg00000013

Just sayin'......

He also never once said, "Caesar Augustus, make that sin illegal."

He dealt with people on a human level. He tried to change hearts and minds, he didn't ask for help from the government.... he didn't care about the government... "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is Gods."


Here is where we differ... Point it out, ok. But you would have to show me where it says that as Christians we should fight it when our government tries to legalize sinful behavior.

We should never judge or hate people, we should however hate sin.
We are Americans too and have the right of free speech. We have a duty as Christian Americans to point out what we feel is sin and tell our Government we are against it. This isn't Rome where they will crucify us for opening our mouths.

America is of, by, and for the People. Stay silent fellow Christian Americans and you help create the sinful nation you deserve. You will be judged for what you do as well as what you fail to do.

Start a thread about it and I will be there with the facts.

Instead of doing the Hyena calls, why don't you come down off your fence and start a thread yourself since it looks like you never have.
No guts no glory.

I have too much fun watching you claim that religion is a ground for laws. That Christian values should be cast upon the masses in the form of legislation.

Prohibition was the exact same way. Stamping out the culture of Native Americans was a Christian movement.

Luckily we have silly things like the Constitution that disagree with you.

Ho Hum, as usual you have it all backwards and upside down.
I am not saying religion should be made into legislation, I have been saying all along that sin should not be made into law. My religion says sin is wrong, the laws until recently agreed. Now you want to legalize Homosexuality nationwide and make laws to allow Gays to marry.
Sheez

I didn't know homosexuality was illegal. Arrest them all!

There is so much ignorance from a lack of historical and factual knowledge in this thread its sickening.

I don't care about religion. I have very little use for it. Most so called churches are nothing more than social clubs anyways these days. Still, I believe what the Bible teaches because for thousands of years its been proven to work in guiding people to a better life.

History shows that countries that don't put the preservation of the family unit as its top priority are doomed to fail. There is not a single country in the history of this world that has survived once family values go down the drain. You don't need God to tell you this because you can just study history to know its a simple FACT.

This newest generation very seldom even knows what morality is much less how to raise a family with one. Treating people acting as perverts like they have been wronged because their behavior is labeled as BAD when it is bad is just stupid.

Comparing what people do in bed as something equal to how someone is born is atrocious. Homosexual BEHAVIOR is an action not a state of existence. A person can't control having black skin. They can control when they take their pants off.

Oh wait ... in today's society when you want to do something that is obscene, perverted, or even harmful you will just spout some nonsense about how if thats how they FEEL then they should do it instead of being forced to control themselves. I WANT to smoke things that are harmful to me so it must be ok. I WANT to be a drunk so it must be OK. I WANT to be lazy and not have to work so you should feed me. I WANT to cheat on my spouse and not be punished for it so make that ok too. It's too hard to stay married so I WANT divorce to be easy and painless except to those I am betraying. I'm a Christian who is a coward so I WANT to ignore all the bad things going on and pretend it doesn't matter. People should just have what they WANT right?

What is good for the health of our society doesn't matter. What is good for our spirits doesn't matter. What is good for our bodies doesn't matter. What is good for the children doesn't matter. Why? Because, as soon as, some weak willed idiot spouts, "I WANT" everyone assumes he should have it and that he then has a right to have it. To hell with what we as a people need to stay as a healthy and strong country.

Here is what I WANT. If you can't feed yourself, clothe yourself, hold a job, and keep your family together then you should lose your right to vote. Why? Because why should someone incapable of taking care of themselves have a voice equal to those of us that can. What ... like your failure at being a productive citizen is going to show me the right way to live and improve our country? It's like being told the village idiot is the one who should be the mayor but the guy who brought in a 100 new jobs should be told to shut up and go sit in a corner.

If you want to live life like WANT instead of how you SHOULD then know that not only will you suffer but also those near and dear to you. When your neighbors follow you then you're just leading everyone to their doom.

Do what you should and not what you want and the world will be a much better place for it.

If you really believe that then your lack of factual knowledge is sickening.

that you're trying to use factual knowledge by referring to the bible is sickening of itself.

So tell us again how it's our Government that has an agenda?

Black Pot, meet Kettle

This is where we differ.

Making it "into" a law, would be requiring all men to marry men, and all women to marry women, or whatever.

What they are fighting for is to repeal/change current laws that restrict them from the same freedoms all other Americans enjoy.

They are not asking you to do anything you feel is sinful, they are asking for the freedom to make the sins of their own volition. They are not even asking that you not be allowed to tell them it is a sin, they just simply want the "Free Will" to make that choice themselves, and held back by legal restrictions.

Laws are supposed to be a way to maintain order when a certain act would have an adverse affect on the rest of the population, not a way to force ones own views onto others.

That's a pretty good explanation Florida.

Well, I for one think that Sodomy and men having sex should not become an accepted practice in America and by no means should it gain legal status nationwide. Keep it in your bedroom, off the streets and out of Government.

I also think that any Christian, Jew or Muslim who supports it will have some splaining to do. We have the free speech to oppose it and if we remain silent it is the same as supporting it.

"Out of the Government" is the exact opposite of what it is and what you are asking for.

Do you also think divorce should be illegal?