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If we saw better WR's don't you think we would have drafted them?

Plus, he has only been a receiver for something like 3 years. He is still developing, and the coaching staff can really work on molding him into what they want him to be.

I liek the pick, and I think that he is going to be a very useful part for the team.

Well, to his point, there were more refined WR'ers on the board, like Greene.

Browns decided to instead, go for the home run. I have no problem with that.

It sounds to me that this kid has a lot of upside. Let's give him and our coaching staff some time before we come to any conclusions. We may have found a diamond in the rough. Time will tell.

I usually regroup after the draft and begin to see what the Browns saw when they make a pick..

This one has me puzzled.

I see some Dez Bryant in Mayle...a very very small piece...

Then I see a much much larger piece of Greg Little in him. If I were to connect him to one WR in the NFL, it's Little. He does have some use blocking down field. I read one report that actually marked him as a liability as a blocker, but he is more than willing to get in the way when a run play is coming and/or a fellow receiver is coming across the middle into his quadrant. He has some nice skills after the catch, including a physical presence that gets him extra yardage...but that physicality isn't present at the point of the catch, he scares easy and has small hands which cause the ball to get into his body too often.

I'm not feeling real good about this pick still...

He has 9" hands, which while not catchers mitt sized, are still within 1/4" of the hands on a receiver many wanted us to take. (DeVante Parker, 9" and 9 1/4")

2015 NFL Draft Scouting Report: WR Vince Mayle - Wide Receivers - NFL News - Pro Football Spot - Forums
http://profootballspot.com/_/nfl-draft/s...nce-mayle-r6101

2015 NFL Draft Scouting Report: WR DeVante Parker - Wide Receivers - NFL News - Pro Football Spot - Forums
http://profootballspot.com/_/nfl-draft/s...te-parker-r4733

Exactly how do they measure hand size?

Is it with your fingers extended, and measured from the tip of the thumb to the tip of the little finger - in essence, taking the measurement across your palm, from thumb to pinky?

What? I bet you only watched a tape with some of his drops usually in heavy traffic across the center and read a draft profile or two than state you're done reasearching and now know...LOL That's it... he's not going to have an impact. Really, is this how some of you guys come to sound conclusions before seeing a rook play a down? OK LOL

Here's an example of a 6'-2" WR 4th round draft pick many didn't think would make an impact.


... Johnny Lee "John" Stallworth (born July 15, 1952) is a former American football wide receiver who played fourteen seasons in the National Football League for the Pittsburgh Steelers. He played college football at Alabama A&M, and was the Steelers' fourth-round draft pick in 1974. Arguably taken in the best draft class by a NFL team.

Thanks. I only asked because I think I have small hands. In fact, I DO have small hands in comparison to most. But, I measured just under 9". (on my left hand. My right hand measures at 8 1/4" - probably due to the broken bone thing many years ago)

He had a nation leading amount of drops, with 19 I believe was the #. Who cares the route, location on the field and etc, your biggest priority at that position is making the catch.

But no, I did a little more research, some of which indicated he can make the catches in traffic. Love what he's capable of AFTER the catch, but he's Greg Little. Greg was a beast after the catch. The only catch to that was he generally was unable to make the catch.

JMO

J/C

Mayle's hands are the same size as Dorial Green-Beckham.

He caught 106 passes and had two games with over 250 yards. It's not like he can't catch the ball.

Mayle played in Mike Leach's offense. Most of you remember the time Leach spent at Texas Tech where he would pass nearly every play. Well, since Leach has been at Washington State that offense has been on steroids.

In Mayle's first 250+ yard game (against Cal), Washington State threw the ball 70 times. They lost 60 to 59. Mayle had by far the most receiving yards with 263, but three of his teammates also had 172, 107, and 96 yards. The QB threw for 734 yards in total.

In Mayle's second 250+ yard game (against Arizona State), Washington State threw the ball 74 times. They lose 52 to 31. Mayle had by far the most receiving yards with 252, but one of this teammates had 111 yards. The QB threw for 601 yards in total.

Let's not act like Mayle is some highly productive receiver because he is so great. He was in a system that averaged 64 pass attempts per game in 2014.

I wonder how many took the time to analyze what that means. His percentage of drops is 15%, or he drops 1 out of 8 balls caught. In a 12 game season, he dropped one per game half the season he dropped 2. I read he was targeted on average 15 per game. I wonder how much better Vince would have been if Connor Halliday played the entire season.

I'm not calling the kid a gift, but I do think emphasis on 19 is not being weighed correctly.

If you increase the volume of throws, you also increase the drops.

15% is still 15%. Doubling it from 19 out 125 to 38 out of 250 is still 15%.

Better yet if the average receiver drops 9 and catches 50, but Vince drops 18 catching 100. Which is better?

I stupidly grazed over the percentage and only read the total. Obviously the percentage is what is important. My bad.

You owed me. Corrected a few of my post!

Gee, I have miniature hands then, because I just measured mine and they are only 8 7/8 inches each.

Oddly enough, I have something else that measures just slightly larger than that.


My gloves.

Guess we can't compare you to Greg "Little".

just measured my hands at 9 1/4" inches.

thats pretty weird because i have "small" hands. wide hands, but not long fingers by any means. cant palm a basketball for sure. i just find it strange i have the same size hands as him.

In my completely unprofessional and fairly uninformed opinion, I get the same feeling about this guy as I did Carlton Mitchell (sp?). No hard data to go off of, just a feeling.

You're not alone, I posted this in here 3 days ago:

"He's boom or bust. Remember this Mitchell guy?"

Another nugget I found on him:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/04/07/cff-overview-wrs-something-to-work-with/

Vince Mayle, Washington State

There is a lot to like about the Washington State Cougar Vince Mayle. In Mike Leach’s Air Raid offense in the Pacific Northwest, Mayle saw 163 targets, catching 106 of them for 1,483 yards and nine scores. He’s a big, rangy receiver with plenty of speed and quickness, and he tied with Amari Cooper for the most missed tackles forced among receivers in the FBS. He is very useful after the catch and dangerous at any time.

So what’s his problem? Drops. Mayle dropped 19 passes on the season including one that needs Benny Hill music running when viewing it. That number was the most in the FBS, by a clear seven drops. The frustrating thing is Mayle can make excellent grabs, so he has the ability, but he just can’t eliminate the bad drops from his game and it is right on the borderline of being bad enough that you can’t live with it.

Signature Stat: 19 dropped passes led all receivers in FBS and was 158% the next-worst figure. Only two other draft eligible receivers notched double-digit drops.

Here's his Benny Hill drop:

https://vine.co/v/Oe6gjibr2ZZ

Bugs pegged this guy back in January.
Here is a coy of his post and the link to that thread.
He posted a great youtube video but I don't know how to import that to this thread.
If someone could help a brother out...


For those who covet receiver DeVante Parker, you could get similar later drafting Vince Mayle (6'3";240), Washington State.

Quote:
Washington St WR Vince Mayle would be a good "Plan B" on day two for a team that covets WR DeVante Parker but doesn't get him in the 1st round," Brugler tweeted. The Washington State prospect has showcased strong hands, with the ability to high-point the football in contested situations this year. On the season, Mayle has hauled in 101 receptions and 1,405 yards which are each single-season records at Washington State

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.php/topics/911574/bugs#Post911574

You know, you have pulled this trick on me more times than I can count. In the past, you have only wanted me to answer so you could rip me and ask others to do the same. However, I will trust you again.

I don't like WRs that drop the ball. You can work on jug machines and all kinds of other drills, but you either can catch it or you can't. I also do not think he is a good route runner.

No, Lockett was not available when we drafted Mayle. However, he was available in the second round and I think this kid is a first round talent. In fact, I think Lockett is a safer pick than some of the other WRs drafted way ahead of him.

I am not picking on you. Honest. But, that is the same thing many said about Greg Little.

You can either catch it or you can't.

I think it was a dumb pick.

I will say that if he becomes a good player, I will admit I was wrong. However, I bet there won't be too many guys who will admit they were wrong if he ends up sucking.

I've seen this movie before.

Thanks for answering.

He was a 4th round pick, right?

He'll pan out and contribute, or he won't be around long.

Alright, cool.

Let's hope he pans out.

The guy I would think you'd be chiding the FO for not taking is Rashad Greene. He's one of the cleanest route runners in the draft and was available when we took Mayle.

I don't even know who he is, steve.

Like I have said numerous times, I did not study this draft. I only researched Mayle after we drafted him. He does NOT impress me at all.

It's just an opinion and not a very educated one, but come on, man................at least I freaking admit it. I have to read guys making stuff up all the time when they have no idea what they are saying. Remember the posts about Bridgewater last year? Remember anarchy's posts?

Yeah I was just pointing out a prospect that seems to best match what you like in wideouts that was available when we drafted is all. He was Florida State's leading receiver each of the last four years. Plus I'm still bitter about us not taking him.

That's cool.

We really should have taken Agholor in the 1st instead of Irving. That's where we blew it.

Because a 1st round receiver we don't have the QB to get the ball to would help us more than a stud run blocker. A cleaner pocket for our QBs won't help the passing game either. Greco's been good for us, but his T-Rex arms aren't made for pass pro. We had open receivers last year. We've just gotta get to where we can hit them.

Greco is above-average (at least).

Vince Mayle = Quincy Morgan 2.0...

At what and based on what? PFF numbers that are almost always out of context?

If you're calling past Browns OG's average, then yes he's above average. He's solid and has no glaring weaknesses, but I wouldn't say he's great at anything. I'm really not trying to knock Greco, he's been good for us. Erving can be better.

I trust Pro Football Focus over you. Greco was good last year.