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I am not going to embarrass any particular posters, but 2 or 3 of you are just making things up.
Stop now and I will let it go.
If not, be prepared for some "facts." This is why no one likes talking football with you. You don't talk football. You make idle and boring threats. If you want to talk football, then talk football. You're a teacher. You know that people are right and wrong all the time. But, you also know it doesn't matter. As long as the person who is wrong is educated then their is no harm and no foul. Only ignorance should be shunned. Wrong answers should just be corrected. So talk football and stop making threats. I'm tired of your debate style of dancing around a topic, then lobbing threats while never addressing the topic at hand. And before you call me a hypocrite for not addressing the topic at hand, I did. I'm now responding you because you're not addressing the topic. https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.ph...-players#959613I believe that should link you to the post of me posting a very shallow look at how the league is using the spread offense.
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I don't disagree. I am just saying the colleges are taking what is given to them. Their job isn't to develop QBs for the NFL. Their job is to win for their schools.
If the NFL wants drop back QBs, they are going to have to develop their own or go with what is handed to them.
I stopped reading there.
I agree 100% with what you are saying.
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IMO. the spread is the flavor of the day and the NFL as it always does with new "ideas" will take some of the concepts and incorporate those into their systems and discard those which will not work.
In HS, many times the QB is the best athlete on the field, bigger, faster than many, they are also in some cases throwing to WR that are far superior to the DBN across the LOS, this is HS after all and the talent pool is extremely limited even in good consistent programs.
In College, the gap between talent, size, speed etc between one team and the opponent is lessened, but the QB many times still has an athletic advantage, with both himself and the players surrounding him,, see OSU vs an Indiana team for example.
In the NFl that QB is facing blue chip prospects across the field, he no longer has that decided advantage, he is not the biggest, or the fastest and his team is not always the most talented on the field, as a result those spread plays so easily successful in HS / college are now opening your QB to be hit, hard and I do not care how tough he is ( see can Newton) eventually they will take its toll.
I watch a lot of HS football and while you see many "spread" offenses I have noticed that there is a ground swell of more power teams as they r4aelize they do not have that blue chip QB and also that the defenses they face are all built on speed and are more easily gashed in the middle of the field. This past year a town called Aledo ran power football and was getting ponded for putting up 80 points even though in one game they did not throw a pass after the 1st quarter.
Even teams that run the spread are going to more two back sets, while using 3 WR to spread the defensive backs out, even with one back sets they are putting a WR in motion and handing off to him. Cedar Hill ( 2 time state Champion), does exactly that, spread you out and gash the middle, you bring your OLB, DE in and they hand off in motion to hit the edge, bring your safety up , THEN they use deep crossing patterns to beat you deep.
I think what we are actually seeing is the evolution of the TE and the re-birth of the H back, where a TE can line up as a FB, a WR or a TE.
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Anyone with a clue knows that the NFL uses the spread a ton. He's not interested in debating, he is only interested in being a virus.
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The spread is just a "mickey mouse" offense. High school if you will.
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The spread is just a "mickey mouse" offense. High school if you will. No, the spread is what I put on my toast or take into account when placing a wager. Being serious now, I don't think you can call the spread "Mickey Mouse". There are some pretty in depth spread systems nowadays, and just about all offensive schemes incorporate some spread concepts.
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I'm not disagreeing with you. I just like traditional offense. Plus, I have an ax to grind, because Gus Malzahn, (HC of Auburn) and others have helped make it attractive to much of football. It all stems from high school trickery. JMHO.
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The spread is just a "mickey mouse" offense. High school if you will. Which makes it weird then that some of the best coaching minds in college football can't figure out a way to stop it...
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I'm not disagreeing with you. I just like traditional offense. Plus, I have an ax to grind, because Gus Malzahn, (HC of Auburn) and others have helped make it attractive to much of football. It all stems from high school trickery. JMHO. I can appreciate a "good" college rivalry. Ohio State's transition from Tresselball to Urban's offense may have had some effect on my thought process. That and watching Hoke/TSUN's "pro-style" offense.
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The spread is just a "mickey mouse" offense. High school if you will. Which makes it weird then that some of the best coaching minds in college football can't figure out a way to stop it... And why coaches like Bill Belichick employ it.
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The spread is just a "mickey mouse" offense. High school if you will. Which makes it weird then that some of the best coaching minds in college football can't figure out a way to stop it... 3-3-5. Life is only about the 3-3-5.
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Is it not the goal of colleges to prepare/enhance you for a profession? Yes, but that is not the goal of college athletics, as all of these players have other academic majors that they are theoretically pursuing... In the case of pro football, players have two options attend college for two years or wait until he is of age. If choosing college, what benefit does college provide preparing me for pro football job? If you had a son, a highly recruited, potentially NFL caliber son and two schools come calling... Oregon, runs the spread, puts a bunch of kids in the NFL every year, high profile program, plays for championships, on television a lot, wins 11 games a year... Fartblossom State, recruiter comes to your house, says they have a football staff of guys who all played and coached in the NFL, planning on running a complete pro-style O and D, training will be very much like the NFL, but they are only likely to win 4 games a year in the Mid-Eastern Southern athletic conference... What would you do? I've made this argument before, "Professional Athlete" should be a major. Hey, it's a legitimate job, it should be a major. If you choose that as your major and don't ever get good enough to make it come true.. hey, welcome to the world of thousands of pre-med kids every year.. The beauty of it is, you don't even really need to add any classes, you just have to organize classes you already have into one major. For example, you would want the kid to take personal finance 1 and 2... if they are going to be rich, teach them how to be rich. You would want them to take public speaking 1 and 2.... teach them not to say "uh" and "y'know" twice in every sentence... probably want them to take nutrition classes, take some classes in kinesiology so they understand human movement, how the muscles, joints and tendons work.. take some classes in exercise and fitness designed specifically for pro athletes, take some management classes so they develop an understanding of how to surround themselves with good agents, PR folks, etc. take some broadcasting classes for the career after pro sports.... then they could take some classes through the actual sports program they are in... watching film 101, etc.. not exactly sure how to structure all of this but give them academic credit for the time they spend on their sport. Benefits the kid because he/she is now fully committed to what they want to do instead of pretending they actually enjoy the history classes or the general studies classes they have to take.. benefits the sports program because they get more time with the athlete to actually TEACH them how to participate in that sport.. benefits pro sports because you have kids coming out who are a little more polished and ready for what being a pro athlete is going to throw at them... If the kid doesn't make it as an athlete, they at least have a background in public speaking, broadcasting, physical training, etc. a lot of things around sports where they can get a job. I've had this thought for a while and I still don't see who loses by doing this... Love the heck out of this idea. That would also mean the students are less likely to fail out of their courses and more likely to show up to class. Well thought!!!!
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Interesting article about Mark Cuban and Making money in NBA D league. http://blogmaverick.com/2006/07/15/making-money-in-basketball/There are several articles about the same for Baseball, and neither sports college counterparts are affected. I call hogwash on the opinion that an NFL minor league or "development league" can't be profitable, worthwhile and not devastating to its college bretheran.
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Interesting article about Mark Cuban and Making money in NBA D league. http://blogmaverick.com/2006/07/15/making-money-in-basketball/There are several articles about the same for Baseball, and neither sports college counterparts are affected. I call hogwash on the opinion that an NFL minor league or "development league" can't be profitable, worthwhile and not devastating to its college bretheran. Hogwash? How well did these leagues do... United States Football League (USFL)? United Football League (UFL)? NFL Europa or World Football League? Indoor Football League (IFL)? Only league still in existence is Arena football league. At one time, I thought CFL, Canadian Football League, could be a minor league. I find it difficult seeing football fans watching minor league football over the power five college conferences.
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The USFL spent themselves out of business by trying to outspend the NFL, without the resources of the NFL. In the end, they tied themselves to an antitrust lawsuit, that they won, but lost at the same time with the minor award from the lawsuit. They closed up shop really soon thereafter.
The UFL was not in any way associated with the NFL. They had no promotion whatsoever. Their whole purpose was ..... well, I don't know what it was. They only had 5 teams, at the most, and often had only 4. Their television presence was on a channel that most people did not have at the time. They kept moving teams around. They were a disaster from the word go.
NFL Europe was about trying to open up new markets as much as anything else. It worked, to some degree, in England and Germany, but failed badly in other countries. The games were on at times where most in the US market would not watch, except on delay. A 1 PM game in London is on at 8AM in Ohio. (or 5 am in California)
For all of its problems and expenses, the league did what it was supposed to do, and contributed to the development of players who otherwise would never have had an NFL career.However, a big problem was that individual teams had no commitment to any of the players involved. If the NFL sent its practice squad players along with 5 street free agents, whom the team would have 1st right to when league play ended, then we might actually have something.
As far as the IFL, this is just a semi-pro type league. No TV contract, but also minimal player investment, as they pay their players something like $200/week. Here, again, is a case where teams moves every year, and they have had no chance to build any kind of fanbase.
If the NFL were to build a new minor league properly, it could be very useful, and not very expensive. I think that a very good case for this can be made, and has been made. Just because one form of a thing has failed in the past does not mean that all future attempts will fail.
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NFL Europe's biggest problem was that it had no Europeans playing in the games. Made it hard for people to become a fan when they have no vested interest.
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