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I didn't say that at all. The shooter is responsible for the deaths. I would like to see the entire quote in context, not a snippet of the quote.

I personaly believe that people are smart and moral enough to carry guns. As the old saying goes, it's better to have one and not need it, than need it and not have it. There will always be the immoral that want to kill.

well click the article and see for yourself.

that's what the NRA rep specifically said.

you want to dismiss the site because they are liberal news source? that doesn't have anything to do with what the guy said.

nobody is talking about gun sales, BTW. the NRA rep specifically said this would've never happened if the guy in the church didn't oppose a bill letting concealed guns in church's.

so don't get upset with the site, get upset with the guy who said it.

I've already seen the article. I am unable to see the original posting due to Websense, so I have to hold opinion until I get to a different network. That is all the NRA rep said that got posted to the thinkprogress site. I have seen them take 'quotes' vastly out of context before.

Now, to answer you, before I read exactly what he wrote on his site:

If he said exactly that, then the NRA guy is an idiot. The pastor's voting record has nothing to do if he was shot or not. That's on the shooter. Even if he had voted for the CC law, he seems like the type to not carry a gun, and probably would have never thought he'd need one in church, even though history is against that thought.

You're right. The world would be a MUCH safer place if everyone carried a deadly firearm "just in case". I'm sure the crime rate would plummet and immoral/ill/racist/thug people would just stop in their tracks!

Spoken like a true NRA informational pamphlet.

There are 1000 knife crime victims a month in London, UK. How am I wrong?

Are you really trying to compare knife wounds vs gun shot deaths?

Seriously?

I really think, sometimes, that gun control advocates pose as gun rights people just so they can say really stupid stuff like the comment quoted above.

May God bless those who lost their lives, and may He also bless and comfort their families and friends in this horrible time in their lives.

I know this issue will turn into debates on gun control and race, but please, pay more attention to issues of mental health. 4 out of 5 of these stories have some friend or co-worker relaying that the shooter had made vague, disturbing comments that were brushed away. I think, somehow, despite the incredible ways in which we're now all connected, we're also somehow more isolated. And the isolation of a disturbed mind can lead down dark paths.

Why not? You are. The idea of having a gun, when you're a law abiding citizen, is to protect yourself from those that don't follow the law. Handguns are illegal in the UK, but they still stab each other. What are they to do next, make knives illegal? Do you honestly think people won't kill each other if guns are removed? Do you honestly think criminials will turn in their guns? Do you honestly think there won't be a huge black market for guns in this country if they are made illegal? Aren't people like you for legalizing drugs for pretty much the same reasons?

Thank you for posting exactly what I was going to say... the same reason some people go shoot up an elementary school.. they are freakin' cowards.

Dylann Roof

It's viewed as a racist symbol, just like the other ones he had on his jacket.. and he had one on him or on his car or something, don't remember exactly.

just responding to the thread as a whole...


Arguments about gun rights from both sides and rather people should or shouldn't carry guns in Sunday school... 9 people were killed, was the shooter ill?...

Sometimes I can't believe the world we live in; what a sick sick mess.

I personally support the right to own guns, but I think guns have a place; hunting, sport competition, the gun range and personal protection in the home or in High risk activities (like carrying large amounts of valuables/money). Nobody needs a gun in Sunday School.

Is he sick? I don't think it matters when you gun down 9 people in cold blood you should be executed on sight, or at least as soon as you are proven guilty.

Nobody's right to anything supersedes another's right to life, peace or safety. Terrible religious beliefs, political views or fanaticism leads to this crap far to often AND none of those things are more valuable than human life. I don't have an answer and struggle when I see stories like this to even feel connected to a society that these things can happen in.

That's absurd. Mental illness takes on a wide variety of forms.. not everybody who is mentally ill wears a hockey helmet and rocks back and forth talking to a lamp. Some forms of mental illness allow a person to be very high functioning in society...

I agree with what was posted above that racism, in and of itself, is not a mental illness... but anybody who would plot and execute a plan to walk into a public building and start shooting random people is mentally ill.. not sure how else to describe it.

An ISIS wannabe, maybe? There have been 971 'deadly force incidents' in churchs from '99 until this year. Maybe we should ban churches? These include murder, suicide, and other violent deaths.
Church incidents

I disagree. Some of those people are not mentally ill. They are devoted to a cause.

Either a coward or they see easy targets. People, just like water, will always take the path of least resistance if it benefits them in some way.

So the state of SC supports racism. Racism is taught, guns are gifted. This has very little to do with the POS being mentally ill.

http://news.yahoo.com/confederate-flag-despite-massacre-still-flies-high-070630232.html

JC..

Mental illness is no excuse for heinous acts, they may be a reason, but they should not be used as an excuse.

Mentally ill? I dunno. But you have this life long loser who just made a name for himself, have you seen him smirking at the cameras? He is now somebody and loving it. He is all over the News and all around the World.

He's already hurling racial slurs at homicide investigators while bragging his confession. There's not going to be a mental illness plea here. It's going to come down to whether or not the presiding judge believes in the death penalty. Mental illness pleas are nowhere near as common as people tend to think. I think we all watch too much Law & Order.

That should be, "Nobody should need a gun in Sunday school." There are 9 recent victims that probably could have used a gun in Bible study.

All the more reason I I don't think they should perpetuate his intentions.

Report on the victims and the family loses, let's leave the perpetrator in the darkness, so there is no "15 minutes of fame".
Their name should never be mention until a verdict is read in court, this only serves to feed their ego, and damage the lives of anyone associated with them whether they had anything to do with it or not.

For a long time in the 1980's, a lot of the more old school guys who had come out of the 60's New York beat reporting had an unspoken pact not to use Mark David Chapman's name in print.

Because people in church don't carry guns, and don't shoot back.

I agree but there is just too much money to be made by the 24 hour News Media to not run with every detail of his story. Sad state of affairs, this society of ours.

Not all of them, anyway.

Pastor shoots gunman

They can tell his story. I would prefer they refer to him as "the shooter" and blur his picture on the screen. Even the shooter in Norway a few years ago wanted fame more than anything else.

Okay, this comment is 100% right.

J/C

How come the media portrays anyone white as "mentally ill" when shooting up a bunch of people, but African Americans are labeled as thugs?

Maybe it's because some white people just look crazy.

What if a Muslim had been the shooter?

Another good point. I was going to add it to my post, but I wanted to see if anyone else would pick up on it.

Probably he'd be labeled a terrorist.

Here's the deal: Call this kid whatever you want. I would go with "cowardly punk terrorist." You can add in thug if you'd like.

At the end of the day, regardless of what he's called - he killed 9 people. He killed 9 people in a CHURCH! (how many others were wounded I'm not sure).

He is in jail, awaiting trial.

He's 21 years old, 5'9", 120 lbs. He's heading to prison. As someone else said - or at least alluded to - will he get the death penalty? I don't know S.C.'s laws - but if they have the death penalty - whether you're for it or against it - he probably will.

Or does he get 9 life sentences to be served in gen pop?

And, on a much higher level, I've not heard of riots or violence or what not in the city. I give the people of Charleston credit - but more so, I give the church members even more credit for that.

i would argue that there is a line between being devoted to a cause and being able to use that cause to justify the killing of innocent people.. and that line is a type of mental illness.

But enough of that... I don't want to start getting into the clinical definition of mental illness because it really isn't important to the topic. It's enough to know that I feel that anybody who could pull a gun out and start shooting a room full of innocent people and justify it in their mind is missing some cognitive function that tells him that it's just wrong... call it mental illness, call it whatever you want..

Are you sure he's not Muslim?
If not, if he was a member of the KKK it would be terrorism as long as the KKK backed him.

If he is Muslim and a member of ISIS or Al Dorka, and they supported or back him, it would be terrorism.

If he hatched a plan to promote a cause, Domestic Terrorism.

I think the fact that in spite of differing view points more and more people agree that media labels make a difference.

Yet another instance where we should just convict him and then right afterwards, take him to the nearest location and put a bullet in his head.

JMO

Nobody considers every white person who commits a shooting mentally ill.... just the spree killers who shoot up rooms or schools full of innocent people.. those are the only ones where the mental illness discussion starts...

A person who kills a little girl with a stray bullet in a gang related drive-by is a thug.. whether they are white, black, hispanic, or asian....

A person who walks into a building and starts killing random people for some "greater cause" has other names that apply.. terrorist, mentally ill, psycho-path.. whether they are white, black, hispanic, or asian....

Swish brought up both of these points in the third post of this thread.