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Obviously according to YTown it does not. And I happen to agree while they may identify themselves as Christians, it does not mean they will vote or live as many other Christians do.

Which seriously diminishes the 70% number.

Considering that a gospel of Mary Magdalene and one of Judas have been found and cannot be authenticated, do you think a 'Gospel of Jesus' would even be considered?

If you're depicting an infallible character, then any first person narration or writings would also have to prove to be infallible. Therefore, if you wish for the text to have a lasting impact, it's best to make the character or chronicle a third person account.

I should clarify that there are some issues that Christians can disagree in good conscience with one another over, and that's fine. These are generally minor issues, or issues in which the Bible is unclear, and about which there no similar issues covered by the Bible. For example, the Bible said that man should not covet a man's home, wife, mule, and so on. From there we can be sure that Jesus also would say the same about coveting a neighbor's car, computer, phone, shoes, etc. This saying that because the Bible does not speak of us coveting a man's car, that it is somehow an acceptable behavior, is similar to the arguments many make in regards to other behaviors.

However, there are other issues that the Bible is clear about, some of which Jesus spoke directly about, and we should be careful not to endorse or encourage the very things that Jesus spoke about, or those things he forbade either by a statement of acceptance of only one behavior, or an exclusionary statement.

In the end, Jesus offered forgiveness to those who regretted their sins, not those who reveled in them. We need to be careful that we do not allow people to infer, in any way, that the Bible, or Jesus, said that sinful behavior was perfectly acceptable.

The Gospels are all about Jesus. They were written decades after Jesus died. Why would Jesus have written a book long before that time. Further, Jesus took on His disciples from the very start of His ministry, and all lived to see him die. (and all but Judas lived to see Him resurrected as well) he did so in order that there be numerous witnesses of His entire earthly ministry. A book by Jesus would have been redundant.

God did write.. He wrote the 10 commandments. But being the simple people we are, we could not grasp or put into action something so elegant, simple and perfect...

And maybe Jesus knew enough to know that people won't trust an autobiography... If Nelson Mandella or Martin Luther King wrote a book about himself and went on and on about his own perfection and infallibility... would you believe it or would you just think this guy was an arrogant arse? No, it would have much more credibility if a close 3rd party wrote the book, it would have even more credibility if 3 or 4 people wrote it and it was all very similar...

I'm not really here to discuss sin. And I think there's a huge difference in "sinful behavior was perfectly acceptable" and not interfering with what others do or how they conduct their life. Nobody has to accept what they see as sin and I've never seen anyone expect them to.

My point is at the very highest, no survey I have seen says that more than 40% of Americans attend Church regularly. So there is a huge cavern of difference in people who "identify themselves as Christians" and people who "Actively attend Church". I mean didn't a white woman just identify herself as a black person?

Would that be considered a manufactures defect?

How does a perfect list of the ten most important rules for humanity not include edicts against slavery or rape?

Would you two like to borrow my TRANS-Siberian Orchestra CD?

They were the people freed from slavery, maybe they felt it was redundant.

probably would've been a good idea to include that.

Here is all 613 commandments.

613

Apparently slavery is in there, of sorts.

Start at 504, 505, 508 and 514 is always a fun one.

God had the best heel/face turn of all time. (Bonus points if you have any clue what I'm talking about)

No bonus points for me, I had to look it up.

seem's like their talking about jewish slaves though.

and Tulsa, according commandment 608, i should be given a year off to enjoy my newly built vineyard. so if i work for hobby lobby, they must honor that and pay me.

568 yall break on a regular basis.

and if you're really good Chick Fil A may give you free chicken sandwiches for a year.

dunno why everybody who's religious complained about ISIS burning people when it's right there in 546.

521 and 522 has been broken atleast 1000 times by everybody on this board.

487 can cause all kind of crapstorms of interpretation.

471 hope my weed connect read that one. i'mma text it to him though.

Apparently, I need to find a Jewish moneylender for all my future loans. (534)

Well, let's look at the list:

1st we'll look at rape:

How does a person rape someone else while still oeying the following?

Thou shalt not commit adultery.

Thou shalt not covet.

And, using the definition for murder given by Jesus, Thou shalt not murder would be in there as well.

As far as slavery .... what was slavery back in those early days? It was usually someone without an inheritance, who sold himself into the service of another, and received housing and food while he served, and then received animals, land, and other such things when he left the service of his former master.

Slavery was not what it later became. Nonetheless, slavery, as was practiced in this country, violated the following Commandments:

Thou shalt not steal. Obviously, the slave owners stole the lives of their slaves, the children of their slaves, and so on.

Thou shalt not covet: They coveted the goods that these slaves would allow them to bring to market, to the extent that they excused enslaving another.

Thou shalt not murder: Slaves were killed on a regular basis, or abused to the point of severe damage. Using the definition of murder given by Christ in the Gospel, slave owners murdered their slaves, even if they never out them to death.

Thou shalt not commit adultery: Slave owners would sometimes/often? have sex with their slaves, telling themselves that it wasn't a sin because they weren't "whole people".

God gave us His Commandments knowing that we would have to apply them to the circumstances we would face. We can weasel, and say that we didn't violate the exact wording of the Commandments .... but since God is the prosecutor and judge, I don't think that I would want to try that.

so you got an excuse for everything.

so why you mad that muslim extremist follow commandment #33 all the time? i mean, they're following your bible. indirectly, but still.

you broke #62 how many times already?

how bout #79?

according to #132, i guess that Duggar kid has to marry his sisters now.

#136.....boy boy.....you wanna talk about islam being a violent religion...jeez....look at the bible...

Ytown is your wife a jew? cause according to #162....

You're gonna get this response and it's not a very strong one-

We don't follow the Jewish traditions and customs presented in the Old Testament.

It's the truth. Jesus fulfilled the Law for everyone who repents their sins and accepts Him as their Lord and Savior. He completely and perfectly fulfilled both Jewish law and the Law of God.

All foods were specifically made clean in Mark 7: 14-19.

Jesus reaffirmed the 10 Commandments. He did away with ceremonial laws, and they were, in fact, never binding on Gentiles anyway. (and I happen to be a Gentile) .

The Old Testament lays the background for what happens in the New Testament. It is very important, especially in understanding why things happen in the New Testament. However, the most important part of the Old Testament, for Christians, is the 10 Commandments.

yep. weak excuse.

If you want to use the Bible, then please read it, and learn what it all means.

Not an excuse at all, and if you ever read the Bible, you would know that.

the commandments are right there. i didn't write them. God did. Don't get mad at me for pointing it out to you.

so you're cherry picking which parts of the bible you choose to bible.

Actually, that's not the case, and if you actually read the Bible, you would know that. However, you prefer to take little snippets, without context, and act as if you know what those things say.

I would suggest that you speak with a church pastor, maybe the pastor where you take your daughters, and ask him these kinds of things, because it is obvious that I could say that the sky is blue, and you would disagree.

Because a radioactive decay rate compressed down to the 6000 year time scale required for a young earth means that we'd be able to readily observe decay rates for items that have been measured to take thousands of years to decay.



So you don't believe in tree rings either? Varves are readily observable and measurable. Ice freezes in winter, changing the sediment composition, and then the thaw causes another change, creating a clean demarcation. Just like how a tree trunk is lighter in summer and darker in winter. So if a global flood occurred, we'd either see strong variations in layers, one big layer, or some other variation therein, since the flood lasted an entire year. Yet we find no such information. Additionally, Carbon 14 deposits exist in the varves and decay at rates consistent with the yearly cycles. When we bring up varve cores in various lakes we find consistency with a yearly cycle.

For more information (including one of the best lakes we use for research): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Suigetsu



There are several scriptures in the Bible that say God is found in his creation. If God fabricated portions of creation to fool mankind, then God is malevolent and therefore not the God of David. If you want to sidestep around this, then continue without additional debate from me, because the Bible is clear.



Wait, you've been railing in this whole thread that scientists don't account for things like the laws of the universe changing in the distant or near past. Now you wish scientists would just give up on the past already and go work on something else?



Claiming divine entity without any record of their existence I think brings up interesting philosophical questions. But I think that discussion can go for another time...