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Yeah, but if your comparison model held any real water (valiant effort though) it would have put Cinci behind Oakland and Tennessee behind everyone. I'll stick with the W-L record... it's much more definitive and not open to subjective viewing 
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Yeah, but if your comparison model held any real water (valiant effort though) it would have put Cinci behind Oakland and Tennessee behind everyone.
I'll stick with the W-L record... it's much more definitive and not open to subjective viewing
Thats why I added that obviously production on the field does not always add up to W's....but very rarely will a team that leads the league in Off and Defense...and not having W's.
My quick comparison obviously did not take into account a teams that beat up on bottom dwellers for a few thousand yards...thereby inflating their stats.
Really was not even trying to make a point....was just trying to see why Cleveland might have been at the bottom of that list.
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was just trying to see why Cleveland might have been at the bottom of that list.
heh, that's easy... because we sucked and haven't proven anything since... and the writer hates us enough to dro pus two spots 
Browns is the Browns
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But which other bad team in the NFL did the most to fix their glaring weaknesses in this offseason?
Protection problems? Sign Steinbach, sign McKinney, draft Thomas. Maybe we get lucky having Bentley back.
Pass rush? Antwan Peek, and Wimbley's gonna mature.
Running game? Jamal Lewis owns Droughns.
Corner? Still shaky, but drafting Eric Wright was big in terms of potential, and maybe we'll be lucky with Baxter?
D-line? Shaun Smith and Robaire Smith are ginormous upgrades over Ethan Kelley and Alvin McKinley.
QB: At the very worst, #9 plays somewhat better with added protection. At the very best, Quinn starts day one and plays like a rookie with potential who keeps improving as the season continues.
I don't think any other team in football can say they've done that much to upgrade over their biggest weaknesses. Keep in mind, someone unexpected will emerge and make a huge contribution this year kinda like Sean Jones did last season. (my guess? Leon Williams, but I think some of us already expect it)
Compare this to the already bad teams who did nothing to improve? I could put us at #25 comfortably. It's not about what we did last season, but what we COULD do this season, and not looking at our max potential or our worst potential, but somewhere in between.
We're closer now than we've ever been, there's no way we should be #32. Shouldn't be top 20 either though.
Like I said earlier, compare us to the already bad teams who didn't do much if anything to fix their weaknesses. Texans are a perfect example.
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did oakland, detroit, arizona, and houston leave the nfl?
the browns aren't the worst team in the league...
if you stuck them in the nfc west, you're looking at an 8-8 team, easily...
Houston, Buffalo, Washington, Tampa Bay and Green Bay, and possibly even Miami
Just taking a quick look at the teams mentioned above...compared to last years Browns..
First TOTAL DEF
1)OAKLAND - 3rd
2)MIAMI - 4th
3)GREEN BAY - 12th
4)TAMPA BAY - 17th
5)BUFFALO - 18th
6)HOUSTON - 24th
7)CLEVELAND - 27th
8)DETROIT - 28th
9)ARIZONA - 29th
10)WASHINGTON - 31st
now TOTAL OFFENSE
1)GREEN BAY - 9th
2)WASHINGTON - 13th
3)ARIZONA - 18th
4)MIAMI - 20th
5)DETROIT - 22nd
6)HOUSTON - 28th
7)TAMPA BAY - 29th
8)BUFFALO - 30th
9)CLEVELAND - 31st
10)OAKLAND - 32nd
If you add those two totals together....the higher the numbers...the worst teams would obviously have the higher numbers....but what can be seen is that more production on Offense and Defense...does not always mean more W's
Green Bay 21
Miami 24
Oakland 35
Washington 44
Tampa Bay 46
Arizona 47
Buffalo 48
Detroit 50
Houston 52
Cleveland 58
Just for kicks Im adding in a few more teams
Pitt 16
Cinnci 38
San Diego 14
Balt 18
Indy 25
Chicago 20
Phila 17
Dallas 18
NE 17
Tenn 59
Might help explain the ranked last
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the browns also saw better competition week in and week out last year...
the lions and cardinals are both crappy nfc teams, detroit was so bad they could only finish with a few wins, do you honestly think the browns go 4-12 in the nfc west or nfc north?
we beat oakland during the year, and played better than them all year...
houston, you can go either way, but honestly, we've had a better offseason and draft than they had...
stats can only take you so far...
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OK,
A couple of thoughts.
1) The Raiders are worse than the Browns. They gave up 73 sacks last year, lost one of thier decent OL, and have a rookie QB. Unless Kiffen works wonders it will be a repeat of last year.
2) I do not look for Buffalo to have a good season. The lost of bunch in FA and have needs. I am not sold on Losman.
These teams are about equal
3) Detroit is a bit of an enigma. They need to protect Kitna Better or Williams and Johnson will never see the ball.
4) Kansas City. They have lost OL and will have a new QB.
5) Washington. Is landry going to make a difference ? The had no draft choices and no DL.
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and how many wins have all of those changes given us so far? that's right... zero... which is the measure of how much our ranking should have changed If you went by offseason moves on paper, the Deadskins would have been the Super Bowl favorites year after year 
Browns is the Browns
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Whos gives a sh* about power ratings, as long as we win games it doesn't matter whether we are first or last in rankings.
They could throw that crap away for all I care.
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While I think we are better than Detroit... lets face it. The browns have sucked the last 3 seasons. things will get better and we hopefully wont be in this spot next year. i wouldnt pay much attention to this stuff. what do you really expect them to say?
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All this means is you can put $10 on the Browns to win the Superbowl right now and win a buttload when they actually do.
Otherwise, it's May, and it really doesn't matter.
Prisco and many others probably had the Saints around last this time last season I'm sure.
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All this means is you can put $10 on the Browns to win the Superbowl right now and win a buttload when they actually do.
Otherwise, it's May, and it really doesn't matter.
Prisco and many others probably had the Saints around last this time last season I'm sure.
Prisco had them at 25 last year in april.. 
Thanks to archive.org.. Prisco last april.
but when the Browns have a good season he'll problaly say he knew the Browns were going to be good this year and hope that noone remembers what he said previously.. 
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If you went by offseason moves on paper, the Deadskins would have been the Super Bowl favorites year after year
But the thing is, these rankings ARE based on off-season moves on paper. If they weren't, then nothing would have changed since the last rankings came out and there'd be no point in having a May-ranking. Just wait for th season to start then.
The whole point of the May-ranking is to take off-season moves through FA and the draft into account and to see how teams fare now. Which is why I am just baffled that he has us last. But I understand that this has little effect on us in the long run. We'll clearly do much better. I just thought Pete Prisco, bonafide Brady Quinn pimp, would give us more props than that. Oh well.
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and how many wins have all of those changes given us so far?
that's right... zero... which is the measure of how much our ranking should have changed
If you went by offseason moves on paper, the Deadskins would have been the Super Bowl favorites year after year
But it's not about what we actually did, it IS about on paper comparisons...why else would they have offseason power rankings that don't line up with how the season panned out? 
I think you're right that we should have to prove it, but if we have to, then why don't others? ESPECIALLY the most disasterous team I've seen since the expansion Browns, the Raiders.
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Ya had it but kept on moving past it: Quote:
there'd be no point in having a May-ranking
Exactamundo 
If you have no true, non-subjective way of evaluating "Power", how can you rank it?
Furthermore, all this hub-bub about one writer's opinion of things as if it actually carries any weight or importance at all is quite silly, IMO.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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And this is the thread that's two pages long already.
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i think you're the only poster on here that actually contibutes less valuable stuff than i do.
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did oakland, detroit, arizona, and houston leave the nfl?
the browns aren't the worst team in the league...
if you stuck them in the nfc west, you're looking at an 8-8 team, easily...
Yes, I agree 100%. I was only being facetious and kidding around here. I love being an underdawg! If we can develop that balanced attack and some good ground control; I firmly believe that we will surprise a few good teams we play this year.JMHO
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This thread is 2 pages long for the same reason Pete Prisco ranks all 32 NFL teams in May.... because there is nothing else to talk about right now. So it may all be silly and pointless, but it's purpose is being fulfilled regardless.
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I firmly believe that we will surprise a few good teams we play this year.JMHO
We always do. Every season we seem to beat a few teams we shouldn't beat and lose to a few teams we shouldn't lose to. It's called inconsistency and until we develop the opposite of that, we will never be where we want to be. THAT, in my opinion, is the only reason we should be ranked where we are.
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A couple of thoughts.
1) The Raiders are worse than the Browns. They gave up 73 sacks last year, lost one of thier decent OL, and have a rookie QB. Unless Kiffen works wonders it will be a repeat of last year.
While I agree and feel the Browns will be better than the Raiders last year....you are only looking at 1 side of the ball....The Raiders were also # 3 overall in Defense last year...and when you take into account how pathetic their offense was..and how little their O was even on the field....thats pretty impressive.....Kiffen only has to fix one side of the ball.....Cleveland is still working on both sides....which is my guess as to why they are ranked below Oak.
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ya but we all ready have done some of the work ... we cleared our cap space two years ago int he big purge .. thats paying dividends now .. Oakland is still pretty much standing still in FA because there still in crappy cap shape .. there actually still cutting ..
i could care les about these stupid ass power rankings .. but were going to be a MUCH IMPROVED TEAM for MANY MANY REASONS ...
1. we had to be the YOUNGEST TEAM in the league last year .. well Wimbely, DQ, Jones and even Pool got some MUCH NEEDED EXPERIENCE under there belts ... as did Bodden .... same can be said of KW2, Brey and frye on the other side of the ball ... and this year Wilson should be ready to get his feet wet ...
and watch out if Leon Williams is a player .. we have one of the MOST ATHELETIC LBER'S in the league in Wimbely ... god help u if Williams is a player cause having two atheltic LBer's like that would be SCARY for the Stilers and everyone else on our schedule ..
anyhow our YOUTH is a year older ...
2. Stienbach and Robaire Smith will help the trenches TREMENDOUSLY from day 1 ... and Smith from cinci and McKinnie from Miami cant hurt ...
were at least ALOT DEEPER on two key units where we hade NONE LAST YEAR ..
thats TWO MAJOR UPGRADES in the trenches and two potential big ones ..
3. the OL ..... drafting Joe Thomas ... granted hes going to have some major growing pains .. but hes still going to be better than necktie Shaffer was ... plus now we move necktie to RT and that makes him less of a liability ... plus he is a WELL ABOVE AVG. BACK UP LT ..
adding Mckinnie could be HUGE .. but like i said earlier he is DEPTH AT the minimum ...
individually those aren't much to stand on .. but when u add them all up .. ITS HUGE ..
are we going to the playoffs?? NOT EVEN CLOSE .. but were far from the worst team in the league .. were still going to struggle and have growing pains .. but were going to be a MUCH MUCH BETTER FOOTBALL TEAM ...
teams IMO we will be better than this year ..
Oakland
Detroit
Buffalo
Arizona
Atlanta
Washington
Houston
Tennessee
teams we very well could be better than this year ...
Green Bay
Washington
Jacksonville
Miami
Minni
St. Louis
Tampa Bay (NO OL ... there OL is a JOKE .. )
and in two years we'll have a legite shot to make some noise ...
WERE YOUNG AND IMPROVING ... thats sumptin we aint been in a LONG LONG TIME ..
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What you aren't taking into account is the fact that because Oakland's offense was so dreadful, teams never had to open it up against that D because the O wasn't going to to score points and the entire league knew it.
When a team knows you aren't going to score points, they aren't going to toss the ball around the field and risk turnovers that would allow Oakland to score points or get into a game they had no business being in.
Also, they have done nothing to fix that offensive line, and as long as that line is as bad as it was last year, they are going to lose just as many games.
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When a team knows you aren't going to score points, they aren't going to toss the ball around the field and risk turnovers that would allow Oakland to score points or get into a game they had no business being in.
LOL!! Like the Steelers?? Ooooo, feel the burn Hack, feel the burn.
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What you aren't taking into account is the fact that because Oakland's offense was so dreadful, teams never had to open it up against that D because the O wasn't going to to score points and the entire league knew it.
When a team knows you aren't going to score points, they aren't going to toss the ball around the field and risk turnovers that would allow Oakland to score points or get into a game they had no business being in.
Also, they have done nothing to fix that offensive line, and as long as that line is as bad as it was last year, they are going to lose just as many games.
While true that I am sure teams closed up shop early...as it only needed to win 3-0
Oakland did finish with 35 sacks....and ranked 19th in the league in sack totals...and 11th in INT totals....so some were trying to move the ball through the air...and failing.
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Is there OL really that bad? I know it could be bad because it's young, but they've invested a lot in their OL in the past two drafts. I think Arron Sears in the second round was a great choice for them.
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I mean, what do you expect? The Browns aren't a good football team. We were one of the worst teams in the league last year, and there was a stretch where I felt that we were clearly the worst.
Now if I were making the power rankings, I wouldn't have the browns at #32, but I also think that taking them out of the bottom third or so just isn't realistic, yet.
Who knows would could happen though-- we could have a breakout season and make a playoff push or we could end up with another top 5, errm Dallas could end up with a top 5 pick. It's just too early to tell and at best anybody can do is make somewhat-educated guesses at this point.
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We'll climb the rankings if we win...and we'll stay near the bottom if we continue losing.
There ya have it, in 25 words or less!
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