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The Supremes will decide marriage is not a civil right and is not a federal issue. They will kick it back to the States.

Care to wager on the next Globetrotters game? I'll give you the Generals +3.

To be fair, there is the chance that they leave it to states, but force states to recognize the marriages of other states. Which would effectively be federal gay marriage rights with an asterisk. But either way, tomorrow will be a step towards equality.

More opinions happen on Monday. Don't bank on tomorrow being the day.

I don't think so. The concept of marriage is so intertwined in federal law (e.g. tax code) that it is a federal issue.

That, and the fact that some States refuse to accept the validity of a marriage performed in another State.

Well, they will have to come up with a good reason to completely go against precedent to make a ruling other than kicking it back to the states.

It will be interesting to see what happens, and what the justification is for their decision.

It is about precedent.

Example, state A has consent to marry at 14, state b it is 18. Provide an example where state b does not recognize the marriage of state A.

That's a distinct possibility. They've been known to punt in the past.

If they do, here's what you'll probably see: a endless succession of 'fence-sitting' states doing what others have done, over the next 3-5 years. By 2020, there will be but a half-dozen hold-out states that still officially oppose the change, and the rest of America will have moved on.... and the 'quality of life' for almost all Americans won't have been diminished one whit. On the other hand, the quality of life for a significant number of American citizens will have improved substantially.

I say this with no malice, glee, sorrow or angst whatsoever. I simply see the momentum of this movement as part of the overall subject of 'inexorable change.' It isn't good OR bad. It simply is the way of things. Such has it always been, since time immemorial.

I don't really know how The Supremes will fall on this issue. It's still not a foregone conclusion either way at this point.

MY GUESS is that they'll change the law to legitimize gay marriage, 5-4. Roberts will (again) cast the deciding vote, and his vote will be motivated as much by 'optics' and legacy, as he'll be motivated by the letter/spirit of Law. Face it- he's as much a 'politician' as any House or Senate player... and even HE can see that it's only a matter of time. He'll choose yea, rather than see someone else's name get the credit for something that is already inevitable.

...but that's only my guess.

We are all guessing at this point.

Gays already have the same Civil Rights as the rest of us but marriage for the rest of us is not a Civil Right so to me, that
ends that.

You do not have to make an application to your state for Free Speech because that is a given Right. You apply for a marriage license, meet the rules and laws, and then are granted such license which you pay for. That's not a Right, it is more like a drivers license.

The States have always been responsible for issuing the Marriage License and the Supremes will not strip the States of that duty.

Why can't I just be able to buy health insurance the same way I buy auto insurance? I can pick an auto insurance company from any state, buy just what I need or think I'll need, and I can shop around for better rates. I should be able to buy health insurance the same way.

I had to change auto insurance when I moved to Tennessee. The company I had in Ohio did not serve Tennessee.