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Players who rode stationary bikes instead of practicing included: Erving, Nate Orchard, cornerback Tramon Williams, free safety Tashaun Gipson, defensive lineman Phil Taylor and receivers Marlon Moore and Josh Lenz. Great, so we've got 1st, 2nd, and 4th rounders as well as two free agent signees injured in June.
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Players who rode stationary bikes instead of practicing included: Erving, Nate Orchard, cornerback Tramon Williams, free safety Tashaun Gipson, defensive lineman Phil Taylor and receivers Marlon Moore and Josh Lenz. Great, so we've got 1st, 2nd, and 4th rounders as well as two free agent signees injured in June. Well at least at this point, the rookie injuries don't seem to be anything alarming. What is alarming, at least to me, is seeing Taylor and Gipson still riding bikes. They're guys that ended the season injured and open camp injured. Not good.
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Star means where he will start learning, not that he has a starting position locked up.
He will start out as a RG candidate, and then move around from there. I'm not quite sure that will happen. I mean there's no doubt of his talent. But continuity is something not to be underrated. It would be hard to build continuity along the OL by having a rookie play musical chairs along the OL during training camp and pre-season. Along those lines, it's been pretty well established that many players who man the tackle positions in the NCAA are simply not equipped to play that position in the NFL. Now I'm not saying that's the case with Erving but it's just as likely that he was drafted with the intentions of being an interior lineman and not the tackle position. Now I'm not saying that Erving could not an the tackle position in an emergency case, but I do not believe it was the intent of this FO to have Erving playing at tackle for the Browns. Good post I concur moving him around would be counter productive for the reason you stated. I wonder if they will? That said though if he can't unseat Swartz who I think would be a good Guard I wonder if he was worth the pick. They do say though that the kid will be a pro bowl center maybe they want him to work close to Mack so he gets a good feel for how he goes about his business... I think he is pegged to be interior line not a tackle... that seems to be his skill set... as a result I would not judge his worth based on his ability to unseat a Tackle. Do you think Schwartz would be a better guard than Grecco?
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Players who rode stationary bikes instead of practicing included: Erving, Nate Orchard, cornerback Tramon Williams, free safety Tashaun Gipson, defensive lineman Phil Taylor and receivers Marlon Moore and Josh Lenz. Great, so we've got 1st, 2nd, and 4th rounders as well as two free agent signees injured in June. If I was Taylor, in a contract year I would be getting my arse off that bike and on the field... especially with a 1st rounder waiting up behind me. I hate to say it, because I was always in his corner, but last year of contract. limited cap hit... he may be prime trade bait in a get what you can scenario or even given his papers.
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What is alarming, at least to me, is seeing Taylor and Gipson still riding bikes. They're guys that ended the season injured and open camp injured. Not good. I'm concerned that Gipson did not have surgery. He was hurt bad enough to miss the rest of the season yet didn't have surgery. I don't get that one.
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limited cap hit... he may be prime trade bait in a get what you can scenario or even given his papers. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if we are looking to trade PT because of the log jam we have at DL, however I'm guessing him riding the bikes is scaring teams away . I would be surprised if he's cut. His contract is fully guaranteed, IIRC ($5.5M). Also, I personally think he's better suited for the NT in a 34 position but he played DE with this coaching staff and I don't think that will change. Drafting Shelton kind of confirms that IMO as I think Shelton will start Week One. There's another player on the DL I think could be cut based on how TC/preseason goes.
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What is alarming, at least to me, is seeing Taylor and Gipson still riding bikes. They're guys that ended the season injured and open camp injured. Not good. I'm concerned that Gipson did not have surgery. He was hurt bad enough to miss the rest of the season yet didn't have surgery. I don't get that one. IIRC, it was an MCL. As far as I know, those are usually not surgically repaired, as they respond well to non-surgical treatment. It can be a 3-6 week injury.
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I think the Erving is not a tackle argument is more conjecture than fact. He has good feet and long arms. He performed well at tackle at FSU, the interior of the line was just a mess. It's easier to be the leader of the line from the pivot position, and he really solidified that line. Pressure up the gut is much worse for QBs than that from the edge from my perspective. I think the NFL is just an adjustment for any rookie, and early on it's nice to have help on both sides. Schwartz is solid if not spectacular, and we don't need Erving to start there yet.
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Yeah, I seem to recall hearing that he was a darn good LT too.
It's weird that Greco,(2008) Thomas,(2007) and Mack,(2009) despite being separated by years in the draft, will all be the same age (30) at one point this season.
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The play-caller also talked up outside linebacker Scott Solomon as a "car accident" for opponents, noting that Barkevious Mingo would need to earn his snaps. I have high hopes for Scott Solomon. It looks like this kid can really hit. To paraphrase my son's coach from a few years ago, "I want to see snot bubbles!!!"
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Players who rode stationary bikes instead of practicing included: Erving, Nate Orchard, cornerback Tramon Williams, free safety Tashaun Gipson, defensive lineman Phil Taylor and receivers Marlon Moore and Josh Lenz. Great, so we've got 1st, 2nd, and 4th rounders as well as two free agent signees injured in June. I'd rather have them injured now than injured in September.
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My boy Scott Solomon is getting high praise from both Jim and Pettine. Sounds like whatever side he's on, he's going to shut the edge down.
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I find it interesting that Erving isn't taking any reps at LG...not as competition for Bitonio, but...if JT would go down I would think that Bitonio would be a candidate to move over.
I know teams hate moving two guys when one guy gets dinged, but...who knows. I remember reading an opinion somewhere about Bitonio possibly being a T after a few years in the league. (Don't remember who said it or where I read it...just a thought.)
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My boy Scott Solomon is getting high praise from both Jim and Pettine. Sounds like whatever side he's on, he's going to shut the edge down.
We might be seeing more Solomon than Mingo! well it was said that Mingo needs to step up... I think that's a good thing.
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I'd guess that if Joe Thomas went down his replacement would be Mitchell Schwartz or Michael Bowie.
Bitonio seems to be locked in at left guard.
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I'd guess that if Joe Thomas went down his replacement would be Mitchell Schwartz or Michael Bowie.
Bitonio seems to be locked in at left guard. I disagree. I think they replace with Erving. Moving Schwartz theoretically weakens both tackle positions. Thinking Greco move to center last year. I know Farmer hyped up Bowie. How much have we heard about Bowie during OTA and mini-camp?
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My boy Scott Solomon is getting high praise from both Jim and Pettine. Sounds like whatever side he's on, he's going to shut the edge down.
We might be seeing more Solomon than Mingo! well it was said that Mingo needs to step up... I think that's a good thing. I do too, and I think the nickname they gave Scott is awesome. Bloodbath,hahaha LOVE IT! 
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I think Mingo will step up. He basically played with one arm last year and that to me shows how much heart the kid has. Did any of you try to do any physical work with one arm and a bad shoulder much less play football? Let's give the kid a fair shot I think he will be a good player for us.
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Don't really want to talk about JT missing action but that is where I believe Erving is taking reps at...obviously not to replace but the one with the best experience and skill set to take an attempt to hold the fort.
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I think Mingo will step up. He basically played with one arm last year and that to me shows how much heart the kid has. Did any of you try to do any physical work with one arm and a bad shoulder much less play football? Let's give the kid a fair shot I think he will be a good player for us. To his credit, Jim labeled Mingo as the best outside lber in coverage.
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I think Mingo will step up. He basically played with one arm last year and that to me shows how much heart the kid has. Did any of you try to do any physical work with one arm and a bad shoulder much less play football? Let's give the kid a fair shot I think he will be a good player for us. To his credit, Jim labeled Mingo as the best outside lber in coverage. Yes he did...rather impressive given that last year was reportedly the first time he'd been put in a coverage role.
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I'd guess that if Joe Thomas went down his replacement would be Mitchell Schwartz or Michael Bowie.
Bitonio seems to be locked in at left guard. Agreed and I think that is how it would shake out...like all, I'm uneasy on how that would work out. Again like all, I'm uneasy about Schwartz or Bowie being able to play LT. Erving seems the logical LT backup given his resume...but man, that's tough for a Rook. Here's to hoping we don't have to find out.
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1. Ravens rookie wideout Breshad Perriman came out of college with a reputation for drops. The first-rounder looked good earlier this spring, but struggled Tuesday with four dropped balls. "Just really paying attention, getting too tired and really not focusing," Perriman explained to The Baltimore Sun. Despite the gaffes, coaches say Perriman has put together plenty of strong practice tape. I've never understood why teams draft WRs that drop a lot of balls. I'm glad he is their problem.
2. Rookie running back Duke Johnson has been the talk of minicamp on offense, with ESPN's Adam Caplan saying the former Hurricanes star has been "the most impressive" back at camp, playing all over the field and even at wideout.
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Do you think Schwartz would be a better guard than Grecco? I think my mom would be a better tackle then Wart, BTW mom is 77... On the other hand I think Wart would be an excellent RG. They said the Erving was able to play anywhere on the line why not TRY to replace Wart?
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Do you think Schwartz would be a better guard than Grecco? I think my mom would be a better tackle then Wart, BTW mom is 77... On the other hand I think Wart would be an excellent RG. They said the Erving was able to play anywhere on the line why not TRY to replace Wart? ok here is where you lose credibility with me... your mom does not have the footwork to a tackle  seriously I like Grecco at RG, but we better find out if Erving can play RT because there is a good chance Schwartz is gone after this year anyway
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Do you think Schwartz would be a better guard than Grecco? I think my mom would be a better tackle then Wart, BTW mom is 77... On the other hand I think Wart would be an excellent RG. They said the Erving was able to play anywhere on the line why not TRY to replace Wart? ok here is where you lose credibility with me... your mom does not have the footwork to a tackle seriously I like Grecco at RG, but we better find out if Erving can play RT because there is a good chance Schwartz is gone after this year anyway I would add there is a very real chance this is Macks last go here too. I fear there won't be enough bubble gum to stop up the dam. Not drafting players who can make a difference in favor of drafting replacements for players we are about to lose concerns me and means we stay stuck at best where we are... I would kick Wart inside just to get a look see at what he can do there in my thinking if he is a good/great RG and can play tackle in a pinch we are better team going forward. It would increase his value to the team and may be the difference between re-signing him and not, IMO. One thing for sure Wart isn't a very good RT.
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Do you think Schwartz would be a better guard than Grecco? I think my mom would be a better tackle then Wart, BTW mom is 77... On the other hand I think Wart would be an excellent RG. They said the Erving was able to play anywhere on the line why not TRY to replace Wart? ok here is where you lose credibility with me... your mom does not have the footwork to a tackle seriously I like Grecco at RG, but we better find out if Erving can play RT because there is a good chance Schwartz is gone after this year anyway I would add there is a very real chance this is Macks last go here too. I fear there won't be enough bubble gum to stop up the dam. Not drafting players who can make a difference in favor of drafting replacements for players we are about to lose concerns me and means we stay stuck at best where we are... I would kick Wart inside just to get a look see at what he can do there in my thinking if he is a good/great RG and can play tackle in a pinch we are better team going forward. It would increase his value to the team and may be the difference between re-signing him and not, IMO. One thing for sure Wart isn't a very good RT. Maybe we like Schwartz and Mack, but they've told the FO they want to play for a winner and that they plan on leaving if we don't make the playoffs (or something similar.) Erving could be replacing either one, so he's between them and learning both positions from up close.
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Maybe we like Schwartz and Mack, but they've told the FO they want to play for a winner and that they plan on leaving if we don't make the playoffs (or something similar.) Erving could be replacing either one, so he's between them and learning both positions from up close.
Schwartz can hit the bricks any time he pleases, losing Alex Mack though would be a huge loss for the team and city. He's easily a top three center in the entire league. Erving would have his work cutout for him.
With that said, I would not be the least bit shocked if he were to leave. I would be tired of losing too.
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Maybe we like Schwartz and Mack, but they've told the FO they want to play for a winner and that they plan on leaving if we don't make the playoffs (or something similar.) Erving could be replacing either one, so he's between them and learning both positions from up close.
Schwartz can hit the bricks any time he pleases, losing Alex Mack though would be a huge loss for the team and city. He's easily a top three center in the entire league. Erving would have his work cutout for him.
With that said, I would not be the least bit shocked if he were to leave. I would be tired of losing too. The older I get, the worse my memory becomes. Help me out, who was the Right Tackle that was here in the early 2000's?
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Do you think Schwartz would be a better guard than Grecco? I think my mom would be a better tackle then Wart, BTW mom is 77... On the other hand I think Wart would be an excellent RG. They said the Erving was able to play anywhere on the line why not TRY to replace Wart? I'm not sure I like anybody else being called Wart. Please, come up with a new nickname for him. ;-)
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Maybe we like Schwartz and Mack, but they've told the FO they want to play for a winner and that they plan on leaving if we don't make the playoffs (or something similar.) Erving could be replacing either one, so he's between them and learning both positions from up close.
Schwartz can hit the bricks any time he pleases, losing Alex Mack though would be a huge loss for the team and city. He's easily a top three center in the entire league. Erving would have his work cutout for him.
With that said, I would not be the least bit shocked if he were to leave. I would be tired of losing too. Many posters here say our Oline is one of the best in the NFL and there is nothing to be concerned about. 
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I've been worried about Mack leaving ever since he and his agent devised a contract with a two year out option. There's no reason to have such a clause in your contract unless it's an option you feel you may use.
I believe anyone who doesn't have concern about that is being a bit naïve.
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I've been worried about Mack leaving ever since he and his agent devised a contract with a two year out option. There's no reason to have such a clause in your contract unless it's an option you feel you may use.
I believe anyone who doesn't have concern about that is being a bit naïve. In the NBA, opt out clauses seem to be as common as anything. The fact that Mack has onw, refuses to talk about staying or going... yeah, glad we signed big Erving.
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Maybe we like Schwartz and Mack, but they've told the FO they want to play for a winner and that they plan on leaving if we don't make the playoffs (or something similar.) Erving could be replacing either one, so he's between them and learning both positions from up close.
Schwartz can hit the bricks any time he pleases, losing Alex Mack though would be a huge loss for the team and city. He's easily a top three center in the entire league. Erving would have his work cutout for him.
With that said, I would not be the least bit shocked if he were to leave. I would be tired of losing too.
Including the 2015 team, Mack and the offense have had 6 different offensive coordinators since Mack was a rookie. The Browns have had 4 different head coaches since Mack was drafted in 2009.
I have little doubt that Mack is growing tired of hearing all the pep talks from the team owner and management, promising that next year will be better.
Our front office made the changes they believe will turn the franchise into a winner this season.
If the Browns management misjudged again and the team fails to improve upon the 7-9 record of 2014, it could cost the Browns one of the best centers in the NFL.
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The following guys have played RT for the Browns since 1999
Steve Zahursky, Roger Chanoine, Joaquin Gonzalez, John St. Clair, Tony Pashos, Orlando Brown, Kevin Shaffer, Ryan Tucker, and Schwartz.
I believe you are thinking about Tucker who played for us from 2002 through 2008 if my memory still works lol
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Hard to blame any player for wanting to win... [/color] Certainly not, but that is only one aspect. Money - important, but could be made with any other team. Location - nice to be near "home", but not essential. Atmosphere - positive in Cleveland; have not heard "dysfunctional" used lately. Winning - we are getting close. Do you want to go to a winner, or do you stay and help build a winner? I suggest that latter is much more satisfying...
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