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i liked your post dude.

but i had to check to see if i was color blind cause thats a pretty dark purple.

Anyways, I asked my wife if they was getting gay raped in Germany in the alleys.

She looked at me like "why did i marry you?"

In that case, no Christian judge should ever perform a divorce. It's against his rights as a Christian!

Did she ask who the hell you been hanging around lately?

Or Christian attorneys accept the clients.

That's the utter absurdity of this. They've chosen a sin to go to war with.

lol. she didn't even let me explain where i got the idea from at first.

Well I try to support my Buds when they get into it with their wife, but in this case I can't say I really blame her.

Jules, I hear you................but beating up people for holding a sign is not acceptable.

Too many double standards going on right now.

I believe that a valid argument can be made to support this position. If you have read what I have written,I have said that I do not believe in divorce.

Really you can't find anything? Hell Sweeden is building a new hospital just to handle the men getting raped these days and that's just the one who report it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33187011

9 out of 10 times when a man is raped you will NEVER hear about it. Why? Because no rape victim is punished more than a man is. No one says, oh thats too bad, instead they laugh and say how weak can you be dumbarse...

http://harddawn.com/homosexual-only-zones-plague-many-foreign-cities/

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/...ld-1561882.html

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/dec/19/ukcrime.prisonsandprobation

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/geneveith/2...is-working-out/

You go to a coffee shop for a laced brownie and end up with a drink that is drugged...later on you wake up IF you wake up...

Your using social media to get around but end up in the gay part of town and all of a sudden your new friends make you join the movement. Locals NEVER go there...

One of many Gay pride parades moving down the street, a bystander here or there end up in room lucky to be alive and too ashamed to talk his life ruined...

To be fair I have not heard much about germany but then again I don't believe germany allows a lot of the drug use that places like amsterdam does either. I honestly don't know that much about modern germany though except I have no desire to go there really. I mean isn't Hitler's daughter in charge of a lot of things there and in the EU? Think I read something about that a while back but its 2am and I am too tired to look up anything more ^^

Yes, Heterosexuals sin. We ALL sin. Your argument then is because folks sin just allow it all.

I would rather you get rid of ALL the sin instead of using one sin to justify more sin. A lifestyle that is the embodiment of sin should not be ignored or accepted because it is NOT acceptable.

Try something a bit closer to home.

Between 2002 and 2004, three young women, Michelle Knight, Amanda Berry, and Georgina "Gina" DeJesus, were kidnapped by Ariel Castro (July 10, 1960 – September 3, 2013) in his home in the Tremont neighborhood of Cleveland, Ohio. They were subsequently imprisoned in his house on Seymour Avenue until May 6, 2013, when Berry escaped with her six-year-old daughter and contacted the police.[3][4][5][6] Knight and DeJesus were rescued by responding officers and Castro was arrested within hours.

On May 8, 2013, Castro was charged with four counts of kidnapping and three counts of rape.[1][7] Castro pled guilty to 937 criminal counts of rape, kidnapping, and aggravated murder as part of a plea bargain. He was sentenced to life in prison without the chance of parole plus 1,000 years.[8][9] One month into his sentence, Castro committed suicide by hanging himself with bedsheets in his prison cell.[10][11]

Cleveland Kidnapping.

no, you're missing the point.

we understand it happens. you know what else happens? A dolphin raping some chick in the water.


but it's pretty rare per capita.

you're exaggerations made it seem(which you believe for some reason) that gay raping is happening at such a high rate its an epidemic. and in Europe of all places.


you took some uncommon stories and made it out to seem the norm. My wife would've smacked you for disrespect. I'm STILL paying for your dumbass comments, BTW.

. Priceless, Swish...

Many of those links are about rape in general. Only one mentions rape, and that's if you go to a sexual bath house...

Razor, please don't make ridiculous claims without extraordinary evidence. You lack evidence that gay men are responsible for a plethora of rapes.

I'm sorry you're homophobic. Did you have a bad experience in the past?

I wonder if porn stars decided to have a parade to celebrate their lifestyle by dressing scantily and simulating sex acts on the street, if anybody would think that is right?

I have no problem with gay people, and know quite a few, men and women. But these parades are nothing but exhibitionism. They are disgusting and should be held in private venues. I am willing to bet that many gay folks would agree with me.

I'm not sure you understand what a gay pride parade is? No parade features sexual acts being performed in public. Maybe there's a kiss, but how is that different from a heterosexual couple kissing?

Pride parades aren't pornographic.

spoken like a guy who's never been to spring break.

OK, so let's break down these links.

Link 1 - BBC - talks about a hospital opening up in Sweden for men that have been raped. It doesn't talk about gay rape zones or gay rape alleys. In fact, it notes in the first line of the article that a particular hospital in Sweden has a walk-in center for urgent care for women and now will be doing the same for men. Seems like equal rights and accommodations are being made for both men and women.

Link 2 - Hard Dawn - talks about "no-go" gay zones in Europe with particular mention of Paris, Madrid, Rome, and Amsterdam. The first place mentioned in Paris is the Marais gay zone. A quick google search provides the following information from Wikipedia:

"Long the aristocratic district of Paris, it hosts many outstanding buildings of historic and architectural importance."

Wikipedia Link

The Wikipedia link also has several pictures that show a culturally vibrant community with very interesting and neat architecture.

This seems to be a far cry from "In Paris, for instance, the Marais gay zone is an erratic mess of cobblestone alleys and ugly, decrepit buildings" from the link you provided. Of course for the Hard Dawn link you provided,the quick links on each page links to "Government Conspiracies", "Degenerate Culture", "Lies of Big Science", "Homosexual Agenda", "Radical Atheism", and "Marijuana Menace".

But I'm sure your link has no bias and only reports the "facts", right?

Link 3 - Independent - an article from 1992 talks about male rapes that occurred. Interestingly, none of them mention a gay rape alley. From the article itself:

"There is no evidence to suggest that this is a new phenomenon, a symptom of our society."

"Clearly it is a gay problem too, one that raises issues of date-rape and consent".

"What kind of man does this? Male rape shares something with female rape: it is not about sex, but about power and degradation, about violence in which sex is the weapon. Psychologists identify several causes: a desire for conquest and control; revenge and retaliation, and what is called 'conflict and counteraction', in which a rapist may punish his victim as a way of dealing with confusion about his own sexuality."

This still hasn't provided evidence of your gay rape alleys. Rape can happen to anyone, regardless of age, sex, gender identity, or sexual orientation. If anything, it contradicts your assertion of the perverted, debaucherous gay rape alley allegation you asserted.

Link 4 - The Guardian - this article describes rape drugs being used to rob others. Still doesn't discuss the debaucherous gay rape alleys that you have stated exist. Rapists have been using drugs to rape others for years. This is nothing new.

Link 5 - Patheos - this is a blog on a Christian/Evangelical website discussing how the Netherlands legalized "victimless" crimes (as the article calls it) such as drugs, prostitution, and euthanasia. It still doesn't discuss the gay rape alleys. But for fun, let's pull apart this article:

Drugs: The Netherlands has less drug use than the United States - Link
Google Search Link


Prostitution - The United States spends more money on prostitution and has more prostitutes. There is no siginficant statistical difference between persons from the United States or The Netherlands visiting a prostitute.

Link

Link

Seems to me that people are going to visit a prostitute if they want to do so. Legality/illegality doesn't seem to have much of an impact.

Keep claiming the moral high ground Razor, it only continues to make you look more foolish and ignorant with each new post.

Who on earth is appropriate to judge what is a sin and what is not a sin.

That job is simply not one for any person on earth. We try... and the closest thing that we have come up with are laws. Laws are made by the collective, not the individual. And you may disagree with a law, but does that mean you can enforce/ignore it because you don't agree?

God is pretty good at knowing what is a sin. If only he written them down in a book for us? ...

any looney can create a bible and call it the word of God.

So how can you prove that God did indeed write the book? He didn't. Man did.

No man that has ever lived would impose that kind of moral standard on himself.

That of course is subject to discussion as there are numerous books which are reported to be the word of God.

no, but he can easily tell others too.

No man could be perfect, but they seem to know what perfection is. it's just a matter of reaching it. or giving the ALLUSION of perfection.

Every woman knows what a perfect boyfriend/husband is, but never in the history of guydom has a perfect man arose for a woman.

I've been friends with gay folk for pretty much my entire adult/adolescent life. With only one or two exceptions, they've all been just like us.... they want to settle down with a lifelong partner, live a happy, fulfilled life, and die with a personal legacy that is marked by friends and family who wish they were still here.

When all is said and done, they're just people... like you, me, or anyone else.

A handful have been more 'politically active' than the rest, and have marched in 'Gay Pride' parades... but even those friends understand that the bigger picture of equal rights and inclusion is the End Game.

My friends Keith and Martin have been together for more than 30 years. They have been pillars of the town which they call home, and have lent their voices and efforts to many, many civic initiatives which have improved life for EVERYONE in their town. They've dedicated their lives to improving education, youth outreach (through The Arts), and social awareness in the town where they live.

In short, they are EXACTLY the kind of neighbors I'd want to have living in my zip code. The same can be said for John, Tim, Lauraine, Jennifer and Bridget. And the list goes well beyond these few names.

Of these wonderful people whom I call friends, ALL have participated in gay pride parades, in the same way that I participated in 'Black Pride' parades in the 60's, as a young child.

The 'exhibitionism' that they displayed in those marches will no doubt repulse some... but I'd have to mark myself as a hypocrite of the first order, were I to stand against My Friends doing exactly what I did 40 years ago.

The sight of hundreds (or thousands) of Black Americans peaceably marching for equal rights no doubt 'sickened' a significant number of 'Good American Patriots' in 1963... but I can now speak freely with you and every other Dawg (without fear of recrimination or incarceration) because of their efforts.

If gays want to march down the streets of any American town in support of their rights to enjoy what my forefathers could not take for granted, I say: "So be it."

Our Constitution allows for such displays... and as unnerving or 'disgusting' as they might be to some, America is a better, stronger country for allowing such displays.

My friends are no more or less American citizens than you or me, E.Ryze19. If they were forced to limit their 'exhibitions' to "private" venues...

.... how 'free' would they really be- compared to you and me?

..and if that's what we demand/expect from Our Country... how long will it be, until someone else demands that your/my rights be squelched?


just another .02,
Clem.

Really? No jokes about this?

I keep reading all these posts about the parades, but everyone seems to be ignoring the OP.

Was it right for these gay people to beat-up Christians for holding up signs that offended the gays?

It sure seems like a double standard to me.

Since we have laws against anyone beating up anyone else in this country, is this a serious question?

He's clearly trolling. if not, then he's a fraud as far as being a Christian is concerned.

we've already answered those questions.

No double standard at all.

The aggressors were arrested.

If you want to consider double standard then research violence against gays and think about it.

The violence is wrong and I don't think the majority have posted it was right.

There is no solid proof of it but her Mother was a known associate of Hitler.



Also, Angela Merkel has an uncanny resemblance to Hitler to the point if she said she was his daughter openly then no one would ever question it I think.

Look at some pictures just for kicks. I don't know that I believe it but its not hard to falsify birth documents or for a hardcore sect of Hitler's followers to protect his daughter IF its true. Of course its also possible Angela has some bad luck looking like him.

[img]https://newstopaktuell.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/fc3a4llt-da-nur-uns-etwas-auf.jpg?w=450&h=297[/img]




I don't know what to think with the way things in this world seem to keep happening. The EU bank allowed lots of loans to be made to countries and it just so happens that those loans are covered mostly by Germany. What happens when they can't pay up? Will it be grounds for Germany to gain ownership over them through economic pressure?

I don't claim to know. I just claim to be curious and intrigued =)

Well, the topic was about Christians getting beat up by gays, yet you guys turn it into the poor gay story. Yeah, we know all about the abuse that gays have endured. But, why not chastise them when they do the very same thing that you are crying about.

Hypocrisy.

There is no doubt that violence toward anyone is wrong. Especially wrong when attacked for their beliefs.

Of course I'm not so sure Razor trying out for his own episode of Maury is a lot better.

A few people already responded to this. No one is condoning the actions of the idiots who beat them up.

Yeah.

I could have used a different title to the thread I suppose.

Originally when I read the article the very first time I just thought it was funny that there was absolutely no mention of the types of signs these Christian demonstrators were holding up, or no mention of what they might have been actually saying to provoke people.

I don't condone the violence at all, and am glad the group that beat them up was arrested.

Just a little amused I guess that these Christian protesters went there with signs like that expecting to change peoples minds and "save them", kind of naive if you ask me. "Repent or else" with flames drawn below it, that's asking for trouble.

So, it's okay for gays and other persecuted groups to protest, but it's not okay for Christians to protest?

Listen, I am not religious at all. I don't believe in religion. I never go to church. But, I don't see why they don't have the same right as others to voice their opinion.

People scream about inequities and bias, but they seemingly turn their heads when it happens to the other side. Look at this thread, there were a couple of posts about the arrests, but most posters have turned this into the "poor, persecuted gays...." thread. It's almost some think it's okay to abuse groups just because your particular group was abused in the past.

I still think that is a double standard.

I think you are reading something into this that is not happening at all. I feel no need to comment on the obvious once a number of people have chimed in on the premise of a thread. From what I recall, only the initial poster of the thread seemed to think this was okay, but I believe they have also backed off.

Of course it's wrong for anyone to attack someone else unless they are being physically threatened. I just figured that goes without saying, I feel no need to comment on the obvious. Go find Daman if you require that type of comment.

I did feel the need to chime in once I saw someone saying that because gay marriage is now legal that there will be straight people being drugged and raped in the streets. Because, you know, that's what gay people like to do. I do feel the need to once in a while respond to a poster who calls me, on almost a daily basis, a pervert and tells me how sickened he is by me. A lot of people complain about personal attacks on this board, but I see it almost daily. I don't hear any complaining about that, but that's all cool right?

If there were gays physically attacking religious people on a regular basis in this country, you bet I would be all over it and incredibly pissed about it, but one incident isn't going to get me excited. It was some random idiots who deserve what they get.

It can be difficult with some of these protesters. They can say some very vile and hateful things. I have seen people followed and harassed by religious people really pushing the limits of what someone can handle as a human being as they won't leave the person alone, but you have to do your best to rise above and try to remove yourself from the situation.

There are far more gay people getting physically attacked by the opposition in this country, but yeah, let's get excited and start a thread about something that is rare on the part of the gay community. How many threads have we seen about the violence against gay Americans? How many threads about the stories I have heard from people I know who have had to clean up feces and nasty graffiti on walls on a daily basis from the gay and lesbian centers they work in since the ruling came down? How many times has anyone become outraged on this board that I'm called a pervert who is bringing about the downfall of this country and will cause straight people to be sexually assaulted in the streets?

Hypocritical? Hell yeah it is.

It just seems like you have an ax to grind with the LGBT community. I thought your commentary on the Sam situation was odd, way back, too. Like it veered into (bad paraphrasing coming up), "People are stupid for carrying so much about the gay issues. The Redskins name should be getting much more outrage."

Only the original poster has really said anything about why the protesters should not have been there. Everyone else has mentioned that the attackers were out of line. Florida said it best about how protesters should be handled. Ignore them.

The thread got derailed with absurd gay rape alley commentary and the semi-usual bemoaning of pride parades. I don't think there's been really any argument in favor of beating down Christian protesters. The only question about the protesting has been really of its effectiveness and intent. No one's saying that that right shouldn't exist.