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Gordon stinks at so many levels- we knew his record in college, yet gave him money and expected something different....he's a constant liar- remember his wine about effort and thanks for opportunity after the sup draft, after the cold/sick drink that had him suspended, never happen again..he sets NFL record in 12 games= he wins us games/ he's LOVED...but his character hasn't changed, MJ in car...not his...oophs...you can't drink, oophs...he is a stupid kid in a man's body....hope we can get something for him IF he comes off suspension...let him ruin another team...hope he NEVER plays another down for the Browns!!!! GO Browns!!!!
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NFL's Josh Gordon I'm Busting My Ass ... for NFL Return Josh Gordon has been hittin' the weights ... hard ... killing himself to get ready for his NFL comeback in 2016 -- and judging by the footage of his workouts, dude looks ready to go. The Cleveland Browns wide receiver was suspended for the 2015 season for violating the substance abuse rules -- but he's vowed to make a comeback and it looks like he's taking things seriously. Gordon's agent Drew Rosenhaus previously told us the 24-year-old is keeping his nose clean and "doing all the things he has to do to get ready. We fully anticipate him being back for the 2016 season."  Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2015/10/13/nfls-josh-gordon-im-busting-my-ass-for-nfl-return/#ixzz3oV7nzbUm
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Reminder:
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I know it'll annoy some people..
But the dude is SUPER talented..
And I honestly can't wait to have him back next year..
Because if hes not here, he's either wasted his natural talents and will be selling cars for the rest of his life (depressing) or he's wound up on a different team and most likely has a HOF career (super depressing)
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He better not end up anywhere but with us. I believe we still have 2 years of his contract left. We can spare a spot on the roster for him.
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He better not end up anywhere but with us. I believe we still have 2 years of his contract left. We can spare a spot on the roster for him. Trade him the minute he's reinstated. Let some other team deal with it when he's suspended in short order after his return.
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He better not end up anywhere but with us. I believe we still have 2 years of his contract left. We can spare a spot on the roster for him. Trade him the minute he's reinstated. Let some other team deal with it when he's suspended in short order after his return. No way, we need talent and he costs next to nothing against the cap for 2 more years. See if he can straighten out - I have my doubts but he is too good to let him go IMO.
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I have hope that he'll turn his life around. I would want it to be here if he does but if not, good bye
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No way, we need talent and he costs next to nothing against the cap for 2 more years. See if he can straighten out - I have my doubts but he is too good to let him go IMO. +1 If he had a huge cap hit then yes, trade him. However, he's practically free. And for next year, he comes in as the 5th or 6th WR. Anything you get from him is gravy. You still draft a WR if they're the BPA in May. It's too bad he can't take the league to court like Brady did. It would be really nice to have him on the roster right now.
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Cant wait to see him back on the field. I hope he really is getting his life squared away.
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I know he's a moron for getting caught multiple times, but I still think he was a "Star" the NFL could sacrifice to send a message. The Steelers players admit publicly that their entire roster smokes weed, yet nothing and this was even more stupid than what Josh did.
The NFL welcomes back all kinds of scum (Greg Hardy anyone?). I would welcome him with open arms, as selfish and stupid as he was and probably still is, but I believe he isn't a malicious guy. Just very self-destructive. The risk is minimal, the upside immense
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I know he's a moron for getting caught multiple times, but I still think he was a "Star" the NFL could sacrifice to send a message. The Steelers players admit publicly that their entire roster smokes weed, yet nothing and this was even more stupid than what Josh did.
The NFL welcomes back all kinds of scum (Greg Hardy anyone?). I would welcome him with open arms, as selfish and stupid as he was and probably still is, but I believe he isn't a malicious guy. Just very self-destructive. The risk is minimal, the upside immense +1 If his worse offense is he smoked some weed and/or had a drink or 2 on his own time. Crap, most of us would be out of work if that was grounds for dismissal. Not everyone smokes weed until they look like this. 
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No way, we need talent and he costs next to nothing against the cap for 2 more years. See if he can straighten out - I have my doubts but he is too good to let him go IMO. +1 If he had a huge cap hit then yes, trade him. However, he's practically free. And for next year, he comes in as the 5th or 6th WR. Anything you get from him is gravy. You still draft a WR if they're the BPA in May. It's too bad he can't take the league to court like Brady did. It would be really nice to have him on the roster right now. Gordon could have taken the league to court like Brady did. He chose not to, and that was probably a wise decision because he would not have had a strong case at all, IMO. Brady's team had several very strong arguments. Off the top of my head the federal judge (in the court of the league's choosing) sided with Brady's team on 3 out of the 4, not ruling at all on the 4th one. And none of this included any of the shoddy science the league used throughout the process (that was upheld by Goodell. Goodell the arbitrator upheld the results of Goodell the commissioner. Imagine that.)
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Cant wait to see him back on the field. I hope he really is getting his life squared away. This. I don't really care any more about the drug issue. At this point he'd be fine with me if he can stay on the field. We'd be crazy to cut ties though.
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Josh may not have deserved the last suspension but it was needed.I dont think he ever realized how close it was to all being gone forever. Get kicked out of one school, yawn go to another. Get suspended a couple games, yawn I will be back to play. Get suspended again, its gonna get reduced, I will be back. This full year and no guarantee that he will even be allowed back is a whole other situation.
I will say this, he does look better physically than he ever has.
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Wait...
So now we're believing TMZ?
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He's not got the pull that Brady has. It would have backfired had he taken the league to court.
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Wait...
So now we're believing TMZ?
was wondering if someone would bring that up......
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Cut ties with Bowe and reinstate Gordon next year. His production couldn't be any less.
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I'd almost forgotten about him until this thread got bumped.
If he stays clean, great, but as someone else said draft a WR we really like as insurance.
I really don't care about him either way.
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I know he's a moron for getting caught multiple times, but I still think he was a "Star" the NFL could sacrifice to send a message. The Steelers players admit publicly that their entire roster smokes weed, yet nothing and this was even more stupid than what Josh did.
The NFL welcomes back all kinds of scum (Greg Hardy anyone?). I would welcome him with open arms, as selfish and stupid as he was and probably still is, but I believe he isn't a malicious guy. Just very self-destructive. The risk is minimal, the upside immense I used to think that the WIDESPREAD reports that Josh tested .17 ng (.33 lower than a positive test on the strictest standards known), .002 over the limit on his DUI arrest, and of course the horrific crime against humanity the 2 cocktails on the flight to Las Vegas, I used to think that Josh was somehow treated unfairly. I actually thought that destroying 3 years of the man's life was somehow unfair. Then I was set straight with the wisdom of the "Josh Gordon is a Punk" thread and I fell in line.
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Wait...
So now we're believing TMZ?
Well, being that this isn't a case of rumor mill material where they are purporting to break some big shocking story, you can probably believe it, yeah. It quotes his agent, so most likely his agent contacted them directly, or used a publicist who pushed this info out. He's working to rebuild Gordon's image and brand so that in a few months when he is eligible to petition for reinstatement, the wheels (and public opinion) are already greased. It's the exact same maneuver that happened starting about 6 months out from Vick getting released from prison - put a spit-shine on the image, start getting the public ready for the notion of him coming back so that by the time it happens it already feels like old news.
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No way, we need talent and he costs next to nothing against the cap for 2 more years. See if he can straighten out - I have my doubts but he is too good to let him go IMO. +1 If he had a huge cap hit then yes, trade him. However, he's practically free. And for next year, he comes in as the 5th or 6th WR. Anything you get from him is gravy. You still draft a WR if they're the BPA in May. It's too bad he can't take the league to court like Brady did. It would be really nice to have him on the roster right now. Gordon could have taken the league to court like Brady did. He chose not to, and that was probably a wise decision because he would not have had a strong case at all, IMO. Brady's team had several very strong arguments. Off the top of my head the federal judge (in the court of the league's choosing) sided with Brady's team on 3 out of the 4, not ruling at all on the 4th one. And none of this included any of the shoddy science the league used throughout the process (that was upheld by Goodell. Goodell the arbitrator upheld the results of Goodell the commissioner. Imagine that.) Right, different situations and evidence. However, I would have liked his legal team attempt to try. Maybe it could have forced the league to change their policy on drug testing and suspensions. Who knows. And yes, like someone said above, he probably needed to get busted this last time. Hopefully its the slap to his face that wakes him up. Give the booze and weed a break until you retire, then go nuts if that's what you want. But focus yourself for a few years.
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If we were able to get a second round pick or better for him I'd make the trade but since I don't think that's likely, keep him around. If we see any of the piss poor play that was in evidence when he came back last year though I cut him by the end of training camp. He was a liability on the field last year and we don't need that with a team that's hopefully headed in the right direction.
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I think this is the last ditch chance for JG, hopefully it pans out, for people wanting to trade him, remember, he is the best WR in the game when his head is on right. For what we have invested in him, I'm all for seeing if he can help next year.
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If we were able to get a second round pick or better for him I'd make the trade but since I don't think that's likely, keep him around. If we see any of the piss poor play that was in evidence when he came back last year though I cut him by the end of training camp. He was a liability on the field last year and we don't need that with a team that's hopefully headed in the right direction. I wouldn't even consider trading him for less than a Top 10 overall. If he's got his mind right (finally) and has matured, the guy is the best in the league. Period. And he's still young enough to re-write the record book.
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No way, we need talent and he costs next to nothing against the cap for 2 more years. See if he can straighten out - I have my doubts but he is too good to let him go IMO. +1 If he had a huge cap hit then yes, trade him. However, he's practically free. And for next year, he comes in as the 5th or 6th WR. Anything you get from him is gravy. You still draft a WR if they're the BPA in May. It's too bad he can't take the league to court like Brady did. It would be really nice to have him on the roster right now. Umm Brady was suspended without any evidence. Gordon was caught red handed. If Gordon had a huge cap we couldn't trade him. He's going to be suspended again, no doubt about it. He had his 3 strikes here. Let some other team deal with his problems.
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He's going to be suspended again, no doubt about it. No he won't - guaranteed. Simply put - his next strike isn't a suspension, it's expulsion. So, there's nothing for us to lose, everything for him to lose. If that won't scare a kid straight, nothing will.... and he wouldn't be working his tail off to be in shape like this if something hadn't finally gotten through to him.
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Thats my line of thinking as well.
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Any work place is made up of all kinds of people. Sure, ideally you would like everyone to be like Peyton or Russel Wilson. However, it just doesn't work out that way.
Josh Gordon is 24. He has immense talent. You don't turn your back on talent. You manage it.
Dez Bryant is no poster boy.
If Gordon gets his act together he can really help. If not what is there to lose?
Maybe he is scared straight. Manziel appears to have changed why not Gordon?
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NFL's Josh Gordon I'm Busting My Ass ... for NFL Return Josh Gordon has been hittin' the weights ... hard ... killing himself to get ready for his NFL comeback in 2016 -- and judging by the footage of his workouts, dude looks ready to go. The Cleveland Browns wide receiver was suspended for the 2015 season for violating the substance abuse rules -- but he's vowed to make a comeback and it looks like he's taking things seriously. Gordon's agent Drew Rosenhaus previously told us the 24-year-old is keeping his nose clean and "doing all the things he has to do to get ready. We fully anticipate him being back for the 2016 season." Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2015/10/13/nfls-josh-gordon-im-busting-my-ass-for-nfl-return/#ixzz3oV7nzbUmI'm sorry, but IMO the second, I mean millisecond you start getting or generating hope or faith for that kid, your tying the noose around your own neck.
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That's the beautiful thing about it... you don't have to do anything except give him a roster spot next year (he can have Bowe's, it's kinda unused anyway).
He either proves himself and gets on the field, or he doesn't.
After the way he screwed up the offense the last time he came back, I don't see Pett letting him on the field unless he's EARNED it.
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After the way he screwed up the offense the last time he came back, I don't see Pett letting him on the field unless he's EARNED it.
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One has to wonder if it was the "coaches", (plural), only the OC or the QB himself.
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Maybe he is scared straight. Manziel appears to have changed why not Gordon?
My opinion: Johnny received treatment. Treatment at a very good facility. When Josh was referred to treatment he slithered out of it. He declared himself "not an addict" and quickly proved he was in denial. The NFL's handling and treatment of Josh Gordon, in my opinion, is one of its darkest moments. For any man to take the hits that an NFL receiver or running back absorbs is beyond imagination. For an individual to self medicate with minute amounts of marijuana or alcohol seems at least reasonable. Gordon's punishment is unprecedented. I do believe Josh has an addictive personality. I'm sure of it. He is an addict. I always felt that when (turns out "if") he went through treatment he would still have a relapse. Unless the NFL got real with their policies, he would never be able to see out the career that he had potential for. When he backed out of treatment it was just a matter of time. The 70's Steelroids have a majority of the squad raging on roids for a decade, it ends up killing many of them, they cheap shot and hurt many players, they win four superbowls, and the league, media, and fans pretend it never happened. Josh barely medicates himself while allowing NFL players to tee off and separate his spinal cord and his life is destroyed. My fellow dawgs treat him like a criminal and call him a punk. He always seemed to me to be a pretty decent guy. Josh is guilty of leaving his team and us hanging on a limb because he made decisions that we don't understand. Hey, sit back pour yourself a cold one and tell me what a bad guy he is. You guys think he chose to just flippantly smoke a small amount of weed and drink a very small amount of alcohol because he didn't care about his team, his teammates, the fans, or his career. It would take hours to try and explain why I think he was set up for failure. Is he responsible? Sure! Is what the NFL and the haters have done to him in any way fair? Hell no. Even if Josh went to treatment, and was successful, the way the NFL has him set up will lead him to a fall. He is who he is and managing his addiction is just one part of it. Josh Gordon is not a punk. He was set up to be portrayed as one. Excuse me while I go read an article about Greg Hardy tackling Adrian Peterson, being commented on by Ray Ray Lewis. Frickin hypocrites. One of the NFL's, and one of the poster's on this board's, darkest moments.
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After the way he screwed up the offense the last time he came back, I don't see Pett letting him on the field unless he's EARNED it. It doesn't matter who, precisely. What matters is that when he came back, he - his presence - screwed up the offense. Whether it was the OC calling things where Gordon was the first read (which happened a lot) or if it was Hoyer locking in on him (which happened a lot)... the fact is that he wasn't ready in any way to be out there and it was obvious to everyone, and he was still out there. In the end, that falls on Pett. He should have stepped in at some point and pulled the plug on it.
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That's the beautiful thing about it... you don't have to do anything except give him a roster spot next year (he can have Bowe's, it's kinda unused anyway).
He either proves himself and gets on the field, or he doesn't.
After the way he screwed up the offense the last time he came back, I don't see Pett letting him on the field unless he's EARNED it. I feel ya, but I disagree. You have to give him trust and faith in order to give him a roster spot, we only have so many available and as I've said before - once you do that, you're tying the noose around your own neck. Look what we did with Willie Snead or whoever. We cut him for hopes and faith in Bowe, look where that got us? We got a 9million dollar loser who serves no purpose, and New Orleans got a decent WR target to throw to for next to nothing. I'm in the boat where regardless how much of a true freak Josh is, he's just not reliable and, for me, the story ends on that note.
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My opinion:
Johnny received treatment. Treatment at a very good facility.
When Josh was referred to treatment he slithered out of it. He declared himself "not an addict" and quickly proved he was in denial.
The NFL's handling and treatment of Josh Gordon, in my opinion, is one of its darkest moments.
For any man to take the hits that an NFL receiver or running back absorbs is beyond imagination. For an individual to self medicate with minute amounts of marijuana or alcohol seems at least reasonable. Gordon's punishment is unprecedented.
I do believe Josh has an addictive personality. I'm sure of it. He is an addict. I always felt that when (turns out "if") he went through treatment he would still have a relapse. Unless the NFL got real with their policies, he would never be able to see out the career that he had potential for.
When he backed out of treatment it was just a matter of time.
The 70's Steelroids have a majority of the squad raging on roids for a decade, it ends up killing many of them, they cheap shot and hurt many players, they win four superbowls, and the league, media, and fans pretend it never happened. Josh barely medicates himself while allowing NFL players to tee off and separate his spinal cord and his life is destroyed.
My fellow dawgs treat him like a criminal and call him a punk. He always seemed to me to be a pretty decent guy.
Josh is guilty of leaving his team and us hanging on a limb because he made decisions that we don't understand. Hey, sit back pour yourself a cold one and tell me what a bad guy he is. You guys think he chose to just flippantly smoke a small amount of weed and drink a very small amount of alcohol because he didn't care about his team, his teammates, the fans, or his career. It would take hours to try and explain why I think he was set up for failure. Is he responsible? Sure! Is what the NFL and the haters have done to him in any way fair? Hell no.
Even if Josh went to treatment, and was successful, the way the NFL has him set up will lead him to a fall. He is who he is and managing his addiction is just one part of it.
Josh Gordon is not a punk. He was set up to be portrayed as one. Excuse me while I go read an article about Greg Hardy tackling Adrian Peterson, being commented on by Ray Ray Lewis.
Frickin hypocrites.
One of the NFL's, and one of the poster's on this board's, darkest moments.
I would only say that I don't particularly care what he does to his body except it's against the rules. If the NFL said shave your head and paint your nails or you don't play, he should shave his damn head and pick out a nice color that goes with orange. Beyond that though, my biggest issue with him last time was his lack of effort on the field. Maybe it was all just to easy for him his first year and now he thinks all he has to do is show up but last year, his PLAY made our team worse and I can't believe I'm saying that about a guy with that much talent.
Last in, first out, the sign of a true champion!
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