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Well,when he was hit in the hands and dropped it,are you blaming that on the QB?
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I will give him the benefit of doubt.
If you expect to lose, you probably will.
Skill position players like Edwards need winners around them before they can really shine.
Just the way it works.
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Well Peen,as a Browns fan,I'm hoping for the best.
But I think you can understand that I must "look at the evidence in front of me". Thus far,his attitude and "reliability from a *hands* aspect" has not been good.
I'm hoping he turns that around because I KNOW he has the talent. But many have come and gone from the NFL with such talent that never had the "mindset" to optimize it.
So based on the "evidence" thus far,he'll need to make quite a change which does have me concerned. But I am trying to remain "cautiously optimistic".
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Sure.
But the players around him have nothing to do with him dropping passes.
I hope he really produces this year, though, we need a big year from him. As for his being blasted for what he said in that posted article on this thread, I didn't think it's that big of a deal.
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Well,when he was hit in the hands and dropped it,are you blaming that on the QB?
Nope and when he ran his routes wrong that wasn't Frye's fault either. I blame them both equally.
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I seem to remember him saying similar things about the Steelers last year...How did that end?
Oh ya, we lost.
i completely understand where you are comming from....but you are a lost fan....you cannot blame him being confident on us losing......you want the team to be confident but not talk?  it's not like he is making a statement ur giving a gurantee....he simply said he believes in his team WTF else do you want from a player? u guys r a stinkin' JOKE
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What other rookies? Show me where he said "rookies."
HAHA...what OTHER rookies? maybe u forgot how KW2 never actually played a complete season maybe u forgot how Sean Jones never played a complete season MAYBE YOU FORGOT how Anyone who was drafted in the savage-cernel era is called a stinkin' ROOKIE....  he didn't have to say it...it's what he meant...only haters like you would make something more than it is..
I dont like BE one bit...i just like him as a player...please don't make me defend him more  It's easy to forget he has only been in the league for 3 years...lets not forget that...the guy needs to stop dropping passes the guy needs to stop tipping passes....when it's all said and done you CANNOT deny he is the most talanted reciever we got.....he played for MEEchigan go figure he is spoiled 
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I think he means that HE and the other rookies weren't coached by crennel yet
HE isn't a rookie, and HE has been coached by Crennel his entire NFL career.
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in week 5 well will forget that we ever said anything bad about braylon edwards, trust me.
he knee is fully healed, he QB will have time to throw, and he will be one weapon in a full stable of them that whoever we have chucking the ball will have to use.
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teams are seriously gonna have to double team him, and try to tick him off to get him out of his game..
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you want the team to be confident but not talk?
Yes, like I said before, not talk to the media.
He is flat out an attention whore, wether you want to beleive it or not.
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Just throwing this out there...
Is it possible that Braylon didn't run crisp routes because of his knee? And is it possible that he was a little gunshy about taking hits and thus didn't put his full concentration on catching the ball when it was thrown to him? Is it possible that he was frustrated with himself and projected his emotions onto others and used opportunities in the media to vent those frustrations?
Honestly, I think those are valid questions that may explain his questionable tendencies last season. I just hope that he can break out of those habits this season and have more confidence in his abilities. I really hope BE does great things this season.
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you want the team to be confident but not talk?
Yes, like I said before, not talk to the media.
He is flat out an attention whore, wether you want to beleive it or not.
This was something that was said during an interview on Siruis NFl Network "Moving the Chains" Show.
The producers call the teams, the teams decide what players to have call in, and it's done. It's not like he ran down to the media and said "Hey, I have something to say"
And all your seeing here is a blurb of a 5 minute interview he probably did with them. And if the team tells him to do it, he does it.
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http://www.sirius.com/servlet/ContentSer...d=1156176860909
Near the bottom pf the page in the "Heard it on Sirius" there's an interview with Brady Quinn.
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can't believe how hard you guys are trying to make this guy sound like LEON it's annoying as hell.....
It is annoying,,, and completely unnecessary... You know what this stems from don't you,,, it's Jim Rome.. He's the one that started all this name calling crap on the radio and now the Rome Clones that think they know better than anyone else are calling players names,, I sure wish they would get original....
Look, like him or not, his name is Braylon Edwards... I'd prefer that we all use that name when referring to him. It's also more polite and proper.
Besides, I'm easily confused,,, so when you say Leon, I get to thinking your taking about the Line Backer we have on the team,,,, Messes with my mind way too much,,, 
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Look, like him or not, his name is Braylon Edwards... I'd prefer that we all use that name when referring to him. It's also more polite and proper.
He told me to call him B-Easy. 
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When he shuts up, lines up in the right position, runs good patterns, and catches the damn ball, the LEON name will vanish.
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when it's all said and done you CANNOT deny he is the most talanted reciever we got.....he played for MEEchigan go figure he is spoiled
You've hit the nail right on the head there. While Braylon might have been supported by the fans when he was drafted he's had things held against him from the start. IMO if he didn't go to Mich he'd be thought of much better.
The guys is in his third season this year. I don't see the off-the-field problems that he has had the same way you guys have. He screamed at the O-Line on the sideline, well guess what. They needed to be screamed at!
I know he held out for a few weeks, but there are plenty of rookies who do that. It's part of the game of getting paid and there are other examples of guys who have held out whom we wouldn't be attacking.
I wouldn't call myself Braylon's biggest supporter, but from what i hear the guys in the locker room like him. He's a very competitive guy and a hard working player. He came back early last year, and while he wasn't as productive as we wanted was our best WR.
I think that there's just a built up hatred the fans have for Braylon Edwards. May be it stems from a few dropped passes, but we're attacking our 2nd best offensive player here. I hope that this season the offense will work better and he'll be able to shine. But i still don't think even if he ends up catching for 1400 yards and 11 TDs that everyone is going to jump onto the Edwards train.
People are just a little too critical IMO
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Well, Browns fans are very picky, and with good reason. We like our players rough, tough and ready to produce. Cleveland is a blue-collar, no-bs kind of town. A flashy, know-it-all prima donna does not sit well with Cleveland fans and our identity. We are a 'meat and potatoes' kind of fanbase. Which is why everyone loves the Joe Thomas pick. We want substance. We want our players to shut up and get the job done. Now, I'm not saying that Braylon is necessarily that "TO" (for lack of better analogy) type of player, but he has shown some of those tendencies and people here in Cleveland pick up on it right away. We let it be known that we do not want or condone that type of character representing OUR team and OUR town. I just think Braylon has had to learn that the hard way. But I hope, for everyone's sake, that he is learning. It sounds like he is. We'll see in 4 months.
Oh, and this talk about us not giving him a fair chance because he's from that state up north is complete garbage. I don't care where a guy comes from as long as he contributes and helps make us a better football team. I think most Clevelanders would agree.
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Jesus...some of you will bitch about anything.
Something positive...and you have to bash it. It's one opinion (a nice one), and he wrote about it.
He backed up Romeo and said his team was focused. How is that cocky or arrogant?
Lighten up folks.....
I'm assuming you are not replying specifically to my comments because I for one am pro Braylon. I like the guy and respect his intensity.
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For the record, I don't think anyone is anti braylon.
I have just been saying he is a whiny, cry baby, attention whore.
At least KW2 learned to keep his mouth shut (finally).
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Well I for one am not from Cleveland. I don't see how Braylon is much different than any other top wide out. Unlike Gary Baxter he doesn't have his own radio show. He's a flashy guy, get over it. He's on the team. He is our best wide reciever hands down. He'd be a lot better if the offense was running efficiently. Braylon doesn't make the offense run efficiently. He is more of an effect than a cause in that way.
He came back from a torn acl in amazing time and i think that's one of the main reasons he didn't produce so much last season as well.
I will stand by my Mich comments because i have noticed not being from Cleveland or a hardcore OSU fan that when he is being criticized, him being from Michigan is often brought up.
I don't think he has a much bigger mouth than other recievers. The only things that i remember him doing wrong last year would be screaming at the O-Line, catching a helicopter to watch his alma-mater, and showiung up late at a team meeting. We stood behind Droughns and he was accused/charged of domestic abuse (charges were dropped) and he got hit for drunk driving. May be Braylon isn't perfect in front of the camera, but he's a lot better than any wide reciever on our team. And i think that you could throw other wide recievers on our team last year and they wouldn't have looked that good.
I'm not like Braylon's biggest fan. But i think that he gets ripped apart sometimes too much unfairly
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It is annoying,,, and completely unnecessary... You know what this stems from don't you,,, it's Jim Rome.. He's the one that started all this name calling crap on the radio and now the Rome Clones that think they know better than anyone else are calling players names,, I sure wish they would get original....
Ah,poster ettiquette.
Well,that's what happens when you keep cashing checks your ass can't cover The man has raked in millions while acting like a child on the sidelines and not earning his keep in terms of pay verses performance.
People only put up with that type of paulrty BS for so long. Respect is earned not given and he's earned zero,zilch,nada to this point. When he earns it,he'll get it! Had he been being a team player and done his job to this point,instead of acting like a TO wannabe,he'd have my respect now.
You wanna give respect to someone that to this point has done everything NOT to deserve it? Be my guest. But don't expect people to bow to that line of thinking.
And then,the ironic thing? You throw around CRAP almost as old as message boards themselves.................................
Posting ettiquette' "Damon Style" and the "Rome Colne" line.
Then you tell OTHERS to be original?
Oh,that is rich.....................................................
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He's a flashy guy, get over it.
So acting like a child throwing tantrums and not playing to your potential is now called "flashy"???
Well,I guess you learn something new every day. But that ain't it.....................
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Wow, you guys are breaking down, nitpicking, and over-analyzing this stuff more than the Sportscasters did with Brady Quinn, JaMarcus Russell, and Adrian Peterson combined.
I know this time of the year sucks, but let's just wait for the season on this one...
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HAHA...what OTHER rookies? maybe u forgot how KW2 never actually played a complete season maybe u forgot how Sean Jones never played a complete season MAYBE YOU FORGOT how Anyone who was drafted in the savage-cernel era is called a stinkin' ROOKIE.... he didn't have to say it...it's what he meant...only haters like you would make something more than it is..
After that bit of rediculous, non-sensical diatribe, you've earned this:
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
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EVERYONE PAY ATTENTION:
Braylon Edwards "tantrun on the sideline" that everyone hates was because he was sick and tired of his QB playing from his back. WHY DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? Watch the Colts, ANYTIME Manning gets sacked he absolutely REAMS OUT HIS LINEMAN. HE got sacked a whopping 14 times last year - he yelled at his lione 14 times. Frye was the most hit QB in the NFL and was sacked 44 times on top of it. Why does everyone hate Braylon so much? I swear, you people live to rip on Browns players and pray for this team to fail.
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Because it's not his place to ream out the line.
Unlike Edwards, Manning is the leader of his team. Edwards isn't even the leader of his own unit
Big difference.
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Because it's not his place to ream out the line.
Unlike Edwards, Manning is the leader of his team. Edwards isn't even the leader of his own unit
Big difference.
It's EVERYONE'S place to ream out the line.
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i personally had no problem with #17 calling out the line. actually, i liked it. i like his fire on the field. #17 hasn't exactly been Marvin Harrison here, but he hasn't been any kind of TO, either.
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No, it's not, and that's why it was a huge.....HUGE.....mistake.
As has been noted, Savage wasn't upset that Edwards was mad. He was upset at when and how Edwards expressed it. Why? Because it wasn't his place to go bonkers like that on the sideline.
Team leaders can do that. Edwards isn't anything close to a team leader. Hell, he isn't even the leader among the receivers.
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excellent point. though i feel there was nothing wrong with him being upset, you make a very cogent argument - he has not proven himself as a leader, and shouldn't be reaming out the line.  no Dude, that thought had not occurred to us.
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Okay, I'll play.
I think the big problem with this though, is the big question:
Who is our leader on offense?
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The closest thing we have to a true leader on offense is Jurevicius. If Bentley wasn't about to miss his 2nd season in a row, he'd be right there.
Most leaders are respected veterans who've "been there and done that." It helps to be a winner as well. Joe's done all those things. Quinn? Nope. Frye? Nope. We debated......headtedly......at the start of the year whether or not Frye was the leader. My case was that he hadn't proven anything besides that he's a good egg. That doesn't make you a leader. Now he's a dead man walkin'.
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I hate how you guys make a big deal out of nothing....
It's the freaking offseason..he was a #3 pick overall who is talanted and a good player(yes i know u don't think so...but he is) There arent ton of people to interview on the browns....K2 n BE will be the face of this franchise until BQ can step up
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No, it's not, and that's why it was a huge.....HUGE.....mistake.
As has been noted, Savage wasn't upset that Edwards was mad. He was upset at when and how Edwards expressed it. Why? Because it wasn't his place to go bonkers like that on the sideline.
Team leaders can do that. Edwards isn't anything close to a team leader. Hell, he isn't even the leader among the receivers.
I have to disagree. Initially, I thought he went after Frye and in my mind even that was okay. When I found out he was actually pissed about the line, it was even more justified. KW2 and BE have both spoken out about how angry they are, they don't like losing. I don't think either of their statements or actions have been out of line.
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Exactly, many like to nitpick, just for the sake of posting. We are in the "dead season"
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The closest thing we have to a true leader on offense is Jurevicius.
Locker room only I hope. Otherwise not a good outlook for the franchise.
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Right now it's Jurevicius.
I agree with you.
I just wish the coaching staff would see it this way more. I'm just still bitter over the whole starting Northcutt over him last year. 
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Edwards says that he hates to lose.... Why doesn't he learn his routes and the offense so he can do his part in making sure the team doesn't lose??? I hate it when a QB has to call a timeout to move a receiver to his proper place on the LOS....
A Pro QB throws to his "spots".... If a receiver isn't there to catch the ball, there's an INT or an incompletion...
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Initially, I thought he went after Frye and in my mind even that was okay. When I found out he was actually pissed about the line, it was even more justified. KW2 and BE have both spoken out about how angry they are, they don't like losing. I don't think either of their statements or actions have been out of line.
First, when is it ever "okay" to "go after" your quarterback? That would have to be the single most disruptive thing a player could do to sabotage his offense.
Imagine you, at work, "going after" your boss because he made a bone-headed decision. Yea, right. Brilliant and justified.
Next thing it will be "okay" to "go after" the head coach if you don't like what he is doing. A line has to be drawn somewhere and that line is drawn exactly one molecule in front of Braylon Edwards. He has no justification crossing it.
It doesn't matter if Braylon was right about the line. Until he has all his ducks in a row he has no business calling anyone else out. At least not in public.
If it were right for him to do that, then it would be right for K2 to publicly call him out on the sideline for not knowing where to line up on a given play or for running a wrong route or short-arming a pass to avoid the hit.
But K2 does not have that right either. He makes plenty of mistakes on his own as well in his route running and sometimes ineffective blocking.
The offense is military-like in the regard that there can be only one leader over the enitre unit. That should be the quarterback. Even at that, calling out your offensive line publicly on the sideline is not going to be very productive nor will it endear you to your line.
It's one thing for a Peyton Manning to scold his line for a sack. His line is very good and they give up very few sacks. A little scolding from the leader can focus them in on their job if they seem to be faultering for a moment.
But the Browns line has not been that good for the reason of a lack of overall talent at nearly each position. No amount of scolding from anyone was going to make them bettter and more focused. They have likely been as focused and playing at as high a level as they were capable. Publicly embarassing a man when he is giving his best is nowhere near justified and is way out of line.
Plus, a scolding from a young wide receiver who obviously makes his share of bone-headed mistakes due to a lack of focus and a lack of studying the playbook is not going to be taken seriously by anyone.
All it will do is cause distraction and dissension both on the field and in the locker room.
Braylon needs to shut his pie hole and bone up on the playbook.
I have great admiration for his comeback from injury and his dislike of losing. But if he is going to show some true fire and determination to win then he has to focus on himself and his own shortcomings and do his part to be his best and to help build a winner.
Some may think he is right in his conclusions about the offensive line play and that's ok. But in no way is he justified to become the "self-appointed" team leader of the offense. Certainly not with the abundance of mistakes he makes himself. He simply has not earned anything near that level of respect.
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