I just think it was funny - most of the ESPN guys (national media) was touting McCown as the best FA QB as soon as he got released. Then we sign him and all of a sudden he became unsatisfactory to them...lol
I am not saying you are wrong, but I don't remember any part of that. Will you PLEASE provide some links as to how MOST of the ESPN guys were touting McCown as the best FA QB?
Thanks. I know you really like to keep it real and NEVER try to deceive people w/made-up BS.
Get used to hearing this " Manziel to Pryor" "TOUCHDOWN"
Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thy heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
mac,...you were in the draft room and you know for a fact Bridgewater was rated higher than Manziel...you got any other info..
hit...the Browns ignored their own report and relied on information from a "homeless man" to draft Manziel..if you believe Haslam's story about the homeless man...lol.
quote- Cleveland has been the most dysfunctional team in the NFL over the last few months. They lost their coach, GM, and CEO in a series of strange moves after the 2013 season.
But they deserve some praise for spending the money on data to help them make an informed decision on who to pick. Now the question is whether or not they'll use it.
mac, thanks for article...had not seen ...HOWEVER...you, I, the media pick and chose selectively what we want to use to further our point- owner wants to clean house because didn't like where organization was going and how it was going...in my book, good he owns the team...Bridgewater, study says...BUT then his hands are questioned AND he performs TERRIBLY in his pro day...at Night Comedy review would state he wasn't ready for prime time....AND every other QB needy team passed on him until he was about to fall out of first round...ALL of other teams let him slide too....it wasn't just our money wasting, dysfunctional Browns...you were not in the team draft room AND every Browns fan who claims Johnny wasn't ranked higher than Bridgewater is calling whole management team of Browns liars...your right, I just don't buy it....hope Manziel has grown up and puts out the effort to be the man AND leaves us all wondering how anyone could think Bridgewater was better than he in the long run.....time will tell....GO Browns!!!!
"You've never lived till you've almost died, life has a flavor the protected will never know" A vet or cop
I thought Terry Pluto made a correct statement here:
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McCown is willing to help. McCown turned 36 on July 4. He is not fighting for his NFL life, as Brian Hoyer was a year ago. That was when the Browns created a "quarterback competition" between Hoyer and Manziel.
That probably hurt both quarterbacks.
I think Pettine realized his mistake last year. He is going out of his way NOT making it a QB competition this year.
JC...I really hope Manziel is the answer at the QB position as I'm tired of us having to routinely search for not only a #1 QB every year...But we run through a ton of backups every year as well...Unfortunately I see Johnny Manziel as Rob Johnson...aka not good enough...But wishing him the best and hope he turns things around for the better.
I still think taking Manziel was fueled by a marketing mindset rather than from which qb had the better game to succeed in the NFL.
+1 I posted several months back about my conspiracy theory stating the same thing. Remember, prior to the '14 Draft, Haslam had been talking a lot about re-vitalizing the Game Day experience in Cleveland.. fireworks, new jumbotron, etc. I think there was even talk about him going a little "Jerry Jones"... Manziel wasn't the top rated QB, but he by far and away had the most star power. The Browns organization made a poop pile of $$ by calling his name.
In a way Manziel was almost like Anna Kournakova in tennis. She was never ranked high, and I don't think she ever actually won a tournament, but she was smokin' hot and Tennis made $$ off of her.
I've been one of the guys who has been reluctant to agree that the FO was dysfunctional because I don't believe the guys in charge are as stupid as other Dawgs around here seem to think. I will say though, that I believe that there was a level of dysfunction in that I think your 3 main guys all had different considerations. I believe them when they say they were on the same page, but I think they all were focused on different aspects:
Haslam: trying to develop and maximize the brand Farmer: rookie GM trying to establish himself and bring in quality players Pettine: rookie HC trying to get his team together.
Too many cooks in the kitchen. My feeling this year from what I've seen and read, is that the FO is much more unified this year, and unified under Pettine's leadership. Haslam has been quiet, and Farmer's draft looks like it was Pet's grocery list, not his. I've said before that Pet is the kind of guy that will give you the rope to hang yourself. Haslam, Farmer, and even Manziel certainly learned that the hard way.
"Hey, I'm a reasonable guy. But I've just experienced some very unreasonable things." -Jack Burton
-It looks like the Harvard Boys know what they are doing after all.
31. Johnny Manziel, Browns 32. Blaine Gabbert, 49ers
Manziel was a disappointment on and off the field as a rookie. He deserves credit for handling his issues and showing better preparation heading into Year 2. The bigger concern was seeing defensive linemen chase him down with ease. While Russell Wilson and Drew Brees play big, Manziel looked small and out of place on the field. That said, I'm not ready to give up on Johnny after seven quarters. ... I don't have a problem with Gabbert taking the final spot because we know what he is after 27 NFL starts: A low-ceiling backup who needs to prove us wrong on the field
Per NFL.com...prior to 14 draft..teams needing QB, possibly biggest need...Texans, Jags, Browns, Raiders, Vikings, Titans, Cards...only team pulling the trigger were the Jags..if Bridgewater was #! QB on lots of boards, and all those teams needed QBs...and his workout is now big deal...guess all those other teams valuations suck...20/20 hindsight....Teddy would have dropped to second round if Vikes didn't save him....our bottomline should be Manziel is ours...hope he succeeds....Go Browns!!!!
"You've never lived till you've almost died, life has a flavor the protected will never know" A vet or cop
Vers Dog, preached over and over top of the draft...yet NO Teams did....none of needy QB teams did...JMHO.. JF produced in college against better teams than Bridgewater...he has bigger hands, factor in cold weather and rain...had better workout by far...his big question was character and we took the chance...mistake so far....BUT JMHO...Bridgewater wasn't at top of other teams draft boards....only on yours.....Go Browns!!!!
"You've never lived till you've almost died, life has a flavor the protected will never know" A vet or cop
No, not just on his. The funny part is, too many people who had him ranked very high were fooled by his pro day. Some leaned far more heavily on his game tape. Those that relied on the game tape were right.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
No, not just on his. The funny part is, too many people who had him ranked very high were fooled by his pro day. Some leaned far more heavily on his game tape. Those that relied on the game tape were right.
You may end up being correct in the end...but I think it's waaaaaaaaaay too early to declare who's right or wrong though. JMO
I will have to say I'm glad it didn't happen again this year. To me it shows they may be learning. Shelton was great on game days. When he went to the combine his numbers were slow. I have a feeling had that not happened, we wouldn't have had a shot at him in the draft.
They ignored those combine numbers and drafted Shelton based on his play. I believe that will pay handsome dividends.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I will have to say I'm glad it didn't happen again this year. To me it shows they may be learning. Shelton was great on game days. When he went to the combine his numbers were slow. I have a feeling had that not happened, we wouldn't have had a shot at him in the draft.
They ignored those combine numbers and drafted Shelton based on his play. I believe that will pay handsome dividends.
If we are counting on our NT running down someone in a 40 yard straight line chase then we have bigger problems on defense we will need to address.
what was Poe? 1/2 second faster in the 40... mmm 5.0 seconds wonder how many RB's he will run down... guess he will just be two 3 yards closer when that RB crosses the goal line
If we are counting on our NT running down someone in a 40 yard straight line chase then we have bigger problems on defense we will need to address.
what was Poe? 1/2 second faster in the 40... mmm 5.0 seconds wonder how many RB's he will run down... guess he will just be two 3 yards closer when that RB crosses the goal line
not at all. but did you notice how slow up he was and that slow first step? i just wonder if a center will be able to knock him off balance before he can get set?
being a browns fan is like taking your dog to vet every week to be put down...
Yeah I watched in frame by frame and they actually came out together, Shelton has slight advantage and then Poe with a longer stride pulls ahead.
Sorry but that longer stride is not conducive to maintaining good balance in the trenches... if anything it will lend itself to the DL's center of gravity being too far forward and not having a good base to 1) Punch and react and 2)fending off side blocking double teams ... See Phil Taylor for a bad center of gravity at times, (as much as it pains me to say that).
I will take a NT with short, choppy, wide steps to maintain his position and to push the center of the line back any day.
Yes, that kind of Stride in the Box if you get hit (bumped) from the side you are on the ground.
I was impressed with his explosion that I saw from whatever camp clips that I could view. I was originally worried cause I saw one college tape and I thought he stood up and didn't explode just a was strong space eater.
But in camp I was surprised how low he could get and the explosion - made me feel much much better about the pick.
jmho
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
I had same concerns about him rising up too fast ... in this clip he does as well...then I remembered this is a 40 yard sprint not a play in the trenches... can not draw a correlation.... two different things and two different reactions.
I did not see any camp film, but his game film indicates he stays low, has a good base, decent lateral movement and pushes the pile back. I did think at times he turned in pursuit earlier than I would like which could lend itself to cutback lanes by his being sealed off.
Would like to see him keep little better gap integrity on outside plays, but that seems to be a common theme with defensive players in general when coming to the NFL.
I think the speed and elusiveness of NFL players catches first year players off guard and they are not as able to run down plays like they could in college where their speed and athleticism could compensate for losing gap integrity.
Evaluating a NT based on his 40-time? We may as well be clocking how fast his car can go... it's just as irrelevant.
Unless you focus on nothing more than the first 3 steps, it just doesn't apply at all. And if you do focus on those three steps, you still have to take it with a heavy grain of salt.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
Unless you focus on nothing more than the first 3 steps, it just doesn't apply at all. And if you do focus on those three steps, you still have to take it with a heavy grain of salt.
well thats why i said "not at all. but did you notice how slow up he was and that slow first step? i just wonder if a center will be able to knock him off balance before he can get set?"
guess its just my old eyes
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being a browns fan is like taking your dog to vet every week to be put down...
Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel submitted himself to some schooling from former NFL coach Jon Gruden this week in Tampa, Fla., a source familiar with the situation told the Beacon Journal on Friday.
The source spoke on condition of anonymity because neither the Browns nor Manziel, the 22nd overall pick in last year's draft, had publicly discussed the tutoring. WalterFootball.com's senior draft analyst Charlie Campbell first reported the news.
Manziel's training with Gruden consisted of film study and on-field work. The sessions serve as the latest examples of Manziel showing more dedication to his job heading into his second NFL season than he did during his disastrous rookie campaign.
The former Heisman Trophy winner from Texas A&M University led the offense to just three points in six quarters as a starter last season, went 0-2 and then checked into an inpatient rehabilitation facility specializing in alcohol and drug addiction treatment for a 10-week stay. But Manziel's coaches and teammates have praised him for his commitment to football since he was discharged from rehab in April.
Manziel will enter training camp as the backup to veteran journeyman Josh McCown, whom coach Mike Pettine and offensive coordinator John DeFilippo have labeled the favorite to start the Sept. 13 regular-season opener against the New York Jets.
Browns quarterbacks are scheduled to report to training camp Monday. The first full-squad practice is set to run from 9:30 a.m.-noon Thursday.
Brushing up on the game with Gruden, now an analyst for ESPN's Monday Night Football, certainly won't hurt Manziel's cause. Gruden, who guided the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to a Super Bowl victory during the 2002 season, has been a huge fan of Manziel since they spent time together last year in front of ESPN cameras during the filming of Gruden's QB Camp.
"I don't have any concerns [about Manziel]," Gruden said during a conference call last year before the draft. "I'm a Manziel -- I don't know what the word I should use is -- advocate, proponent. I want Manziel. I realize he's under 6 feet tall. Maybe he can't see over the line. We blew that theory in the water last year with [Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell] Wilson and [New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew] Brees.
"I know he can learn. I spent two days with him, and I know he wants to learn. He had four different offensive coordinators at Texas A&M. He had two different head coaches. It didn't matter. He adapted and did extremely well. This is the first Heisman Trophy winner as a freshman. In two years at Texas A&M, he had the most productive back-to-back seasons in SEC history. I don't know what you want him to do. He threw for 8,000, ran for 2,000, he has 93 touchdowns. All I know is I want Manziel."
Gruden spent the first round of last year's draft imploring the Oakland Raiders to draft Manziel, NFL Network reported last year. They waited until the second round to draft quarterback Derek Carr instead.
Carr had the better rookie season by far, though Gruden obviously hasn't given up on Manziel. In the past, the former coach of the Bucs and Raiders has helped other struggling quarterbacks, including Kirk Cousins and Josh Freeman.
Fifteen months ago, Gruden toldUSA Today, "Johnny has a lot of magic to him." This week, he tried to help Manziel rediscover it.
I dont know how much it will help but he is working to better himself and his game and that is a great thing for the Browns and for Manziel. The kid needs reps and he is gonna have to come in and take it from McCown. he isnt gonna get a lot of first team reps so he really needs to make the best of what he gets.
