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He's had some good moments. We still give him a lot of help.

Today should be a good test for him.

I think Schwartz is getting back into his pass pro drop quicker than he used to. Last week I noticed him using that Joe Thomas big, exaggerated backward kick with his outside leg right at the snap to get himself square to the pass rusher, as opposed to having to "reach" for a guy on your outside shoulder trying to speed rush you. It allows him to maintain leverage and either drive the guy into the scrum in the middle or ride him around the outside of the pocket. I can't say he never did that before, because I don't usually focus on line play, but it stuck out to me on that one play last week.

He will be tested Today !

He had a toe injury (part of) last season. That may have impacted his effectiveness...

Can't say its a fact...but even last week when Greco got his head knocked and missed a play...I noticed even Greco looked like he lost weight too...Erving play one play, and on lining up was looking back at Manziel the whole time when everyone was lined up, as soon as Erving finally knew the play he sat his feet, instantly making Schwartz jump and get penalized... believe Erving is behind on the playbook...

better not hear anything about our OL being good.

We were 14 rushing attempts for 39 yards. A whopping 1.5 yards per carry.

Our o-line is showing promise.

copy and paste since 1999

Everything would be completely fixed if we had Ryan Tucker back!

The problem with the oline is the same one as last year. Teams just don't respect the pass. They sell out for the run. On the oft chance the Browns make them pay and hit on a pass, they'll live with it because they don't think the Browns can do it enough to win the game.

There is nothing wrong with the oline, in pass pro or run blocking. We don't have a freaking QB and WR to make them pay.

Yep .... at least about the QB. I think that the WR corps played well today, and the WR were open quite a lot today .... and could have had big plays with better QB play.

Why were we able to run in the game Manziel started? Because he was able to take the top off the defense.

I look at how Manziel did in his game experience this season so far, and I think that it stands up well against most of the others who have played the Jets and Titans. Let the kid develop on the field. Let him win some games.

Yet another poor day for the oline. No run, shaky pass protection... just shameful for the unit most of us claimed to be one of the better in the league. I'll never say that comment again this year.

Manziel and Benji made the Titans pay.

104 yards rushing against the Jets, 116 yards rushing against the Titans, 39 against the Raiders...

Thank you. It's about time someone else see's this here. I saw this coming especially after the draft when we didn't take another olinemen early.

But still we can't put it all on 4 olinemen either. We have no depth...Mack still recovering and not 100%. Not a RB that can lead out. TE's not setting a crease or edge. The entire offense is never going to gel with these issues. The only short term fix I see is to throw in the wild card, Manziel.

Is your point .....Manziel was the QB for the Jet's and Titan's?

If so correct. The defenses will not usually stack the box when there is a deep pass threat looming.

we're 25th in rushing yards per game.

our OL is wonderful. nothing to worry about.

we're we suppose to be a power running team?

It should be noted that Josh McCown has been sacked seventeen times. seventeen sacks in four games is not a good sign. McCown, who got sacked 36 times last year playing for Tampa Bay, may have noticed that his replacement, Jameis Winston, is on pace to get sacked exactly 36 times himself this year. On the other hand, if the Browns continue to allow 4 sacks per game, that would end up totaling 57 for the season......

So what's the answer? A better OL coach? Better OC? Because I can't imagine it's better OL talent. What do we do?

You have to beat the pressure, and it takes the entire offense to do it.


Line has to block, RB's have to pick up free rushers, the OC has to anticipate the situation, and allow the QB to check them into a better call once he sees what the D is doing, the WR's have to get into their routes and gain position quickly to give the QB something to work with, the OL has to get the blocks to create the throwing lanes, and the QB has to recognize what is happening and get through his reads quickly and get the ball out of his hands.

There's a lot of moving parts, and any one of them alone can cause a sack. The more that go wrong, the higher the chances are of you being sacked.

He gives up yards in chunks by simply refusing to throw it away. And if you get picked because "you didn't have enough on it"? That got my attention.

It needs to improve. Stop doing what kills you. Working on something more than two yard pass plays would be OK as an experiment too.

I'm more disppointed in our fullback and tight ends blocking. It's actually embarrassing.

For right tackle Mitchell Schwartz, the challenges never cease
Oct 22, 2015 -- 4:35pm
By Tony Grossi | ESPNCleveland.com


Extra Points …

On a roll: Right tackle Mitchell Schwartz is getting some love, for a change.

Schwartz has been criticized in the past for being a weak link on the Browns’ offensive line, but at least one of those analytics Websites – ProFootballFocus.com -- has him graded as the best right tackle in the NFL this season.

“Sites like that, it’s hard to put a quantifiable grade on things like that,” Schwartz said. “So many things go into every play. It’s hard to evaluate, but, obviously, I’ll take a positive grading, it’s kind of cool.”

It’s hard to argue after Schwartz helped limit Denver’s Von Miller to a mere bystander in last Sunday’s game. Miller flopped to the other side of the Browns’ line on occasion and wound up with one assist – no sacks, pressures, or quarterback hits.

“It was a good mix of everybody doing their part,” Schwartz said.

Now comes the Rams’ defensive front – loaded with No. 1 draft picks. The Rams are fourth in the NFL with 19 sacks (in five games) and are led by edge rusher Robert Quinn, who mostly lines up over the opposing left tackle.

“We felt like we had a good plan in place for Von and executed it,” coach Mike Pettine said. “It’s not as easy as just say, ‘Hey, blow the dust off of that plan and apply it to next week.’ They’ve seen the film and know how we handled it so we’ll have to change it up some. He presents a big challenge.”

Schwartz could be matched up matched up against William Hayes, who may have to fill in for injured Chris Long. Hayes is an eight-year veteran who led the Rams last season in tackles and quarterback pressures.

“We’re very pleased with Mitch,” said Pettine, who has been a consistent supporter of Schwartz. “He’s relentless in his preparation. He does a good job in the meeting room, carries it over to the field.

“I know from the pecking order of what you would perceive as leaders in that room, you have Joe (Thomas) and Alex (Mack), but Mitch is right up there with those guys.”

Schwartz is in the final year of his rookie contract and can be an unrestricted free agent after this season. Others in that category include receiver Travis Benjamin, linebacker Craig Robertson, safety Tashaun Gipson and tight end Gary Barnidge. So it’s looking like another busy offseason for the Browns.

“We know whose contracts are up, and that’s not really my place to talk about that, especially in season,” Pettine said.

http://www.espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=50841

I know two things with absolute certainty:

--Grossi is an absolute hack.

--Schwartz has always been a solid, most of the time above average player for this team. All the great teams are made up of a bunch of Mitchell Schwartz'es. You can't have an All-Pro at every position. Not even the Super Bowl winning champion does.

I have long said that Schwartz is nowhere near as bad as most people seem to think he is. He is a plus level RT, and we're lucky to have him. I hope that we're able to re-sign him.

He's the weak link on the o-line. I don't think most posters are used to seeing our best starter on a unit not suck and just assumed he did.

It's not like he's Kevin Schaffer or Ryan Tucker.

and he still is. he took a jump last year and so far this year he is playing well. but his first 2 years......

A couple of points:

--Pet says they had a good plan in place for Miller. Boo! A smart coach gives the credit to his players, not himself.

--I don't think many people say Schwartz sucks. I think some people question those who act like he's great. He's not great or terrible. He is still our weakest link. He gets the most help and makes the most mistakes, although Bitonio is challenging him in that negative area. But still.......he isn't bad and we could do a lot worse. I think he has earned another contract.

IMO, Schwartz is clearly not the weakest link on our offensive line, and as far as this year is concerned, I think he's been #2 behind Joe Thomas. He is having a great season and not getting as much "help" as people are saying. In past years, yes, I don't think can be debated. He got amazing help from Cameron's and Barnidge's blocking prowess.

The two people who have struggled the most to me have been Mack and Greco. Mack has increasingly gotten better as it seems he's returning to full form after the injury. Mack will get to being himself again but I've always thought Greco was the "weak link" on this line. Certainly this year but last year as well.

Bitonio just has to limit the stupid penalties.

The interesting thing is people are using "weakest link" to try and equate someone to being bad, when the fact is, all lineman could start on a majority of NFL teams, IMO. So, if people want to use that term, fine, but it's not really saying much considering ALL of our guys are really good.

This tweet (a question someone posed to this writer about the "weak link" of the line) sums up how I feel about the line:



https://twitter.com/PeteSmithFS

This year that title belongs to Alex Mack and it's not even close.

That is a preposterous statement. Mack is once again playing excellent football.

Mack is not himself this year, but has been a little better the last two weeks. I think he's just working his way back from injury, so don't read more into it than that. PFF had him rated 24th among starting centers before the Denver game. Schwartz was actually rated the top RT and in the top 5 of all tackles. Bitonio was 12th amongst all starting guards and Greco 19th among all starting guards.

With Mack it's just that he doesn't have the same power he had yet and is not able to do as much on the second level. I have no doubt he'll get back to where he was, but right now he is the weakest link.