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In a presser Pet was asked about Center and he stated we had 3 legit Centers in Mack, Greco and Erving...so that we are good there.
I remember thinking to myself...good we won't see Seymour or the other guy on our Roster... Bye.
Not sure what will happen with Bowie. I think they want him on our roster. Flip did state Miller was a surprise guy.
Mayle will make the practice squad I think.
Bubble guys, Poyer, Gaines, Pryor, Hausler, Miller, Bowie, Wynn (DL),Pullard, Benjamin.
Biggest disappointment for me so far has been Solomon...got real excited about him and he's been losing me...don't know about the coaches.
Bowe WR - we see this 3rd game what he brings to the table but if he gets another set back - I see a big CUT including dead money or possibly IR stuff.
I know we like that kid Jennings a lot WR.
These last roster spots will be interesting.
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No it has healed supposedly but he is getting rust/rehab type reps slowly bringing him along during camp.
When I mentioned Thumb thing - I meant other teams won't try to steal him from Waivers that need to clear to get on the practice squad...come on Deman...you guys got to learn how to read minds and get these things right...lol 
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I can't see us cutting Bowe. I'd be very surprised as he is a proven veteran with some left in the tank.
I also think we will keep three QBs unless we keep Pryor and use him as emergency QB.
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I stated "Set BACK" meaning if he gets another injury where he won't see the field - I'm not sure what options there are on new IR things - but it could be a cut?
3 QBs...could be a needed Roster spot....unless we like Lewis that much I don't see the three.
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With Moore/Bademosi on the roster, I'd probably be forced to cut Mayle and Gaines. I'd also cut Housler and Kitchen.
I'd try to find a way to keep Pullard (but Carder may take his spot) If the NFl Roster expands then keep Pullard, but can you tell me he's a better player or different role player than these others. Barkevious Mingo Craig Robertson Scott Solomon Chris Kirksey Paul Kruger Karlos Dansby Nate Orchard Xavier Cooper Tank Carder Darius Eubanks, and probably someone I forgot. I'd think Jamie Meder and Billy Winn who I can't find a way not to cut, would be ahead of Pullard. Has he outplayed any of these? You got to keep Pullard over Carder. Carder is a special teams ace, but any time he's asked to play on defense he is terrible. We can't keep three guys (Moore, Bademosi, and Carder) who can only contribute on special teams.
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In a presser Pet was asked about Center and he stated we had 3 legit Centers in Mack, Greco and Erving...so that we are good there.
Yeah, but what I'd view happen and knock on wood, but if Mack were to go down again, you'd see Greco shift to center and you'd see Erving plugged in at RG. With one injury and the aftermath/personnel shifting - you kill our depth big time *if* something else were to happen to another starter.
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Solomon is a bit overrated. I think people like him because he is a high effort guy who seems scrappy (because he is white). If he were black, he wouldn't receive the same attention. I think he's just another guy.
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I can agree with alot of that.
I found it strange that they axed Seymour (who I thought was the next best option @ center), but, retained Bowie, who has looked liked he's playing with injury issues or hasn't recovered from his previous injury. What a dumb decision it was to draft Erving if cannot play center.
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No it has healed supposedly but he is getting rust/rehab type reps slowly bringing him along during camp.
When I mentioned Thumb thing - I meant other teams won't try to steal him from Waivers that need to clear to get on the practice squad...come on Deman...you guys got to learn how to read minds and get these things right...lol Considering his speed, size, and talent there are more than 1 or 2 teams right now that would probably be willing to put him on their active roster for the required 3 weeks.
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(because he is white). If he were black, he wouldn't receive the same attention.That is a dumb ass thing to say... 
1. I am people
2. I got excited about him.
3. Yes he is scrappy and mind you he produced in his opportunity.
4. Sometimes by the color of the arm and calves I can tell the color of the player. But I could give a rats ass on the color.
White or black I would have been excited...and now disappointed. Why would you say something like that.
"MOST" people like Browns...not color but team - football players who OVER ACHIEVE... I don't think many differentiates via skin color... 
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I can agree with alot of that.
I found it strange that they axed Seymour (who I thought was the next best option @ center), but, retained Bowie, who has looked liked he's playing with injury issues or hasn't recovered from his previous injury. What a dumb decision it was to draft Erving if cannot play center. Has he even taken reps at center, outside of the tiny bit he's getting in practice? I saw him at guard and tackle, he's not proven reliable option at center. Really, he's not a proven option at any position. I don't want to witness another total derailment just because a single element gets hurt.
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Maybe it wasn't you specifically, I just get the feeling that Solomon being white is part of the reason people like him.
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I can agree with alot of that.
I found it strange that they axed Seymour (who I thought was the next best option @ center), but, retained Bowie, who has looked liked he's playing with injury issues or hasn't recovered from his previous injury. What a dumb decision it was to draft Erving if cannot play center. Has he even taken reps at center, outside of the tiny bit he's getting in practice? I saw him at guard and tackle, he's not proven reliable option at center. Really, he's not a proven option at any position. I don't want to witness another total derailment just because a single element gets hurt. It was a dumb pick the moment it happened. It has become even more dumb since it doesn't seem like Erving should be on the field.
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What are you guys talking about?
Mack is our Center.
Greco & Erving can play Center. If any player goes down by injury the that steps in will not have the same reps with the ones needed.
If Mack leaves - in camp next year, Greco (which would mean Erving takes RG, or Erving will take the First team reps at Center is be much more prepared to play Center than taking over mid season.
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The poster said that he thought the next best option at center was Seymour.
I said that [it better not be Seymour because we used a first round pick on a backup center].
He asked if Erving has any reps at center this off-season. And that Erving doesn't seem "all that reliable at any position."
Theoretically, yes, Erving can play center.
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Maybe it wasn't you specifically, I just get the feeling that Solomon being white is part of the reason people like him. While I don't disagree that that happens sometimes, I don't think it's the case with Solomon. There have been plenty of white linebackers that don't get that same response. The reason people like him is he came off the street and provided some pass rush at the end of last season when we had nobody else who would, and then this offseason he got a cool nickname. He has played like trash in the preseason, though.
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Maybe it wasn't you specifically, I just get the feeling that Solomon being white is part of the reason people like him. Actually, I've never seen a picture of him so I didn't know he was white. Honestly, I don't think anyone cares...
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I can agree with alot of that.
I found it strange that they axed Seymour (who I thought was the next best option @ center), but, retained Bowie, who has looked liked he's playing with injury issues or hasn't recovered from his previous injury. What a dumb decision it was to draft Erving if cannot play center. Has he even taken reps at center, outside of the tiny bit he's getting in practice? I saw him at guard and tackle, he's not proven reliable option at center. Really, he's not a proven option at any position. I don't want to witness another total derailment just because a single element gets hurt. It was a dumb pick the moment it happened. It has become even more dumb since it doesn't seem like Erving should be on the field. Let me ask you, judging by what you've seen of Erving's play - you really feel as of now he's ready to get plugged in the starting lineup/be on the field with first teamers?
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Maybe it wasn't you specifically, I just get the feeling that Solomon being white is part of the reason people like him. While I don't disagree that that happens sometimes, I don't think it's the case with Solomon. There have been plenty of white linebackers that don't get that same response. The reason people like him is he came off the street and provided some pass rush at the end of last season when we had nobody else who would, and then this offseason he got a cool nickname. He has played like trash in the preseason, though. Okay, just checking. I agree with you though. He hasn't been all that good. I wouldn't be upset at all if he was cut. It says a lot that Everette Brown, who has never been good at any of his stops, has looked better than him.
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No it has healed supposedly but he is getting rust/rehab type reps slowly bringing him along during camp.
When I mentioned Thumb thing - I meant other teams won't try to steal him from Waivers that need to clear to get on the practice squad...come on Deman...you guys got to learn how to read minds and get these things right...lol you mean other teams wont just think its the QB?
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lol (following along)
Seymour was less than competent well don't know about the Steroids maybe he got better?
Well Poster mistake right off the bat was thinking Seymour was the next best option...didn't he see last year at all?
You were correct in telling him Seymour was not an option.
If you would look into more pressers by the Coaches especially Pettine. He explained the Erving situation.
That we had a good OL and we need him for depth so we wanted him to learn multiple positions. He responded and showed the staff that he was pretty football intelligent or else they would have stopped and had him concentrate at one position. He took reps at every position except I believe LG.
More than "Theoretically" Pet came right out and stated. We had 3 NFL Centers - Mack Greco n Erving. that is a little more than Theoretically.
Erving was taken cause he is smart and a darn good OLman.
Right now his best position is RG again coaches said that not me. If Mack leaves there will be a season under Ervings belt - who know where the 6th man will play during the season. The key point is this year we actually have a 6th man! and a good one.
Next year cannot look into the future. Will Mack stay, leave, Schwartz??? Not going to worry about that.
What I do know the two guys we had at center last season...I did not wish for them to be on this team this year....that wish came true. Our 2015 OL is pretty good.
Erving's role will be Depth.
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Erving has not looked good this I can agree with alot of that.
I found it strange that they axed Seymour (who I thought was the next best option @ center), but, retained Bowie, who has looked liked he's playing with injury issues or hasn't recovered from his previous injury. What a dumb decision it was to draft Erving if cannot play center. Has he even taken reps at center, outside of the tiny bit he's getting in practice? I saw him at guard and tackle, he's not proven reliable option at center. Really, he's not a proven option at any position. I don't want to witness another total derailment just because a single element gets hurt. It was a dumb pick the moment it happened. It has become even more dumb since it doesn't seem like Erving should be on the field. Let me ask you, judging by what you've seen of Erving's play - you really feel as of now he's ready to get plugged in the starting lineup/be on the field with first teamers? Given what we have seen, if Erving was asked to play right now I think he would be in the bottom half of the centers in the league right now. And that's me being optimistic. I will say it again. It was a dumb pick the second it happened. Drafting for the future is nice, but not when you have other gaping holes on your roster (*cough*wide receiver*cough*Nelson Agholor*cough*).
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I will say it again. It was a dumb pick the second it happened. Drafting for the future is nice, but not when you have other gaping holes on your roster (*cough*wide receiver*cough*DGB*cough*).
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This was probably more of he was the highest rated player on their board at this time. I feel they have really stunted his growth working him everywhere other than RT. He is an interior linemen and the quicker they realize that, the better.
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Erving has not looked good this I can agree with alot of that.
I found it strange that they axed Seymour (who I thought was the next best option @ center), but, retained Bowie, who has looked liked he's playing with injury issues or hasn't recovered from his previous injury. What a dumb decision it was to draft Erving if cannot play center. Has he even taken reps at center, outside of the tiny bit he's getting in practice? I saw him at guard and tackle, he's not proven reliable option at center. Really, he's not a proven option at any position. I don't want to witness another total derailment just because a single element gets hurt. It was a dumb pick the moment it happened. It has become even more dumb since it doesn't seem like Erving should be on the field. Let me ask you, judging by what you've seen of Erving's play - you really feel as of now he's ready to get plugged in the starting lineup/be on the field with first teamers? Given what we have seen, if Erving was asked to play right now I think he would be in the bottom half of the centers in the league right now. And that's me being optimistic. I will say it again. It was a dumb pick the second it happened. Drafting for the future is nice, but not when you have other gaping holes on your roster (*cough*wide receiver*cough*Nelson Agholor*cough*). Haha, I thought you were being sarcastic! Ahh, is it time to go home yet?
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This was probably more of he was the highest rated player on their board at this time. I feel they have really stunted his growth working him everywhere other than RT. He is an interior linemen and the quicker they realize that, the better. This has been my thoughts as well. It's never really easy for an NCAA player to make the transition to the pros. In a zone blocking scheme, it's more complicated than other type blocking schemes. For them to have him moving around all over the place, they have certainly not helped his development or his value to the team at this stage. We also share the belief that he's strictly an interior lineman and the fact they have not concentrated his efforts on that isn't helping anyone.
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Well many say our Offense was derailed by a lack of depth on the OL Last year. Not by a lack of WR.
As for Setting him back...he was not set back. He will be starting next season and he will play that position from day one. Whatever that position is he would have knowledge of it and utilize his experience of this year.
For 2015 the odds on him starting was going to be small. Not for the lack of talent but the competition too stiff.
If somebody gets hurt this year and he steps in - would he play that position better if he played only that position in camp...of course but he is our 6th man.
WR...I'm not going to get into it. Well I will.
KJ, Northcutt, QM, Dre Davis, KW2, BE, Robo, MoMas, Little, Gordon...yep yep yep its those WR investments that get you Championships... smh
We might come out of this with a better WR Prospect then any of those dreamed of for this past draft. With NO INVESTMENT at all.
Erving a wasted pick...
He is here because there is a vast drop off in scurrying around looking for NFL talent on the OL if one goes down. Also for the future as a starter.
We could have drafted Kelvin Benjamin - WR plenty of them we got enough - we need to have continuity in the O we play and an upgrade in the guy who throws the ball to them from years past.
jmho - Erving is fine. woulda coulda shouldas.
Hey we should have moved up and got Kevin White...right?
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Erving a wasted pick... Wasted is not the same as dumb. I never said wasted. He is here because there is a vast drop off in scurrying around looking for NFL talent on the OL if one goes down. Also for the future as a starter. No one is saying don't add depth on the offensive line. We could have drafted Kelvin Benjamin - WR plenty of them we got enough Yes, we have many wide receivers on our roster. That is why we shouldn't upgrade the position. - we need to have continuity in the O we play and an upgrade in the guy who throws the ball to them from years past. So we drafted a rookie to, essentially, replace our All-Pro center. How does that increase continuity? Hey we should have moved up and got Kevin White...right? Who said that? Certainly not me. I was on Agholor the whole draft process and would never trade up (unless it was for a slam dunk QB).
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So we drafted a rookie to, essentially, replace our All-Pro center. How does that increase continuity? Our staff and FO watched a promising season fall apart last year because we lost our center and had NOBODY to replace him... Bring in Erving, let him play multiple positions on the OL, just in case it happens again, and groom him to either replace Mack or, if Mack stays, take one of the other starting spots... I don't know that I would consider it a great pick, but I don't think it was dumb and I do understand it.
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So we drafted a rookie to, essentially, replace our All-Pro center. How does that increase continuity? Mainly because the worst-kept secret in Berea the past 15 months has been that Mack is going to walk when the season is up. This puts the guy on our roster for a year so he can learn the system and be ready to go next year, rather than having to bring a starting-caliber player in fresh to start next season. Personally, I would have waited and taken Garcia in the 4th, but I get why they did it and I'm not mad about it.
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So we drafted a rookie to, essentially, replace our All-Pro center. How does that increase continuity? Mainly because the worst-kept secret in Berea the past 15 months has been that Mack is going to walk when the season is up. This puts the guy on our roster for a year so he can learn the system and be ready to go next year, rather than having to bring a starting-caliber player in fresh to start next season. That makes some sense. But doesn't that sound like a situation where you draft a guy later in the draft and develop him for a year? We are not in a situation where we can draft first round picks and not play them. Our starting wide receivers are Dwayne Bowe and Brian Hartline.
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well, like I said... I'd have plucked Garcia in the 4th. But that's why it's building in some continuity.
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Wasted is not the same as dumb. I never said wasted.Apologies...didn't mean to twist your words. Dumb? If dumb to me would mean that it was wasted pick. But if that isn't what you meant???Yes, we have many wide receivers on our roster. That is why we shouldn't upgrade the position. hmmm... I guess you owe me an apology cause in all my discussions about WR and investing in WR. I have always stated that if the right guy at the right place is there as an Upgrade I'm all for it. But I don't see this imaginary NEED.
Take our WR Corp and put them on the Pats for a couple of years and they would be hailed as great.
But to say I wish no upgrade is wrong. Originally Posted By: eotab
- we need to have continuity in the O we play and an upgrade in the guy who throws the ball to them from years past.
So we drafted a rookie to, essentially, replace our All-Pro center. How does that increase continuity?That didn't make one bit of sense. You are joking right...that is your position.  Who said that? Certainly not me. I was on Agholor the whole draft process and would never trade up (unless it was for a slam dunk QB).Good at least we were are on the same page there as far as Moving up. Well a major move up. one two spots for a 3rd, 4th or whatever to get a guy we want...I'm all for that.
Now Question... (wish we had Bowe playing all this time) but you think if we had Bowe playing all preseason and Hartline who has...that your AGH...would break the starting Line up? Really? And that is a rotational position...OL is cemented and locked in.
Basically we hold OL and WR to different values. That is all what this is about. Erving dumb pick Agholor great pick. I don't think so you do. As far as Prospect at WR...I'd much rather have Pryor than waste a 1st round on Agholor. Can you say the same thing about an OL pick up??
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So we drafted a rookie to, essentially, replace our All-Pro center. How does that increase continuity? Mainly because the worst-kept secret in Berea the past 15 months has been that Mack is going to walk when the season is up. This puts the guy on our roster for a year so he can learn the system and be ready to go next year, rather than having to bring a starting-caliber player in fresh to start next season. That makes some sense. But doesn't that sound like a situation where you draft a guy later in the draft and develop him for a year? We are not in a situation where we can draft first round picks and not play them. Our starting wide receivers are Dwayne Bowe and Brian Hartline. The best center prospects are also picked around 20. It's not like we would be hard pressed to find one this year.
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So we drafted a rookie to, essentially, replace our All-Pro center. How does that increase continuity? Mainly because the worst-kept secret in Berea the past 15 months has been that Mack is going to walk when the season is up. This puts the guy on our roster for a year so he can learn the system and be ready to go next year, rather than having to bring a starting-caliber player in fresh to start next season. That makes some sense. But doesn't that sound like a situation where you draft a guy later in the draft and develop him for a year? We are not in a situation where we can draft first round picks and not play them. Our starting wide receivers are Dwayne Bowe and Brian Hartline. The best center prospects are also picked around 20. It's not like we would be hard pressed to find one this year. Nope, didn't you read eotab's posts? Everything we did was perfect. No rookie receiver could have cracked the dynamic duo of Bowe and Hartline. Any time you can draft a backup center instead of trying to upgrade a position that combined for 1228 receiving yards last year, you have to do it. Also, Pryor (who has never played wide receiver in a game) is a better bet than drafting a wide receiver in the first round.
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One more stab before the last preseason game... the last cut came down to James, Painter, and Pryor.
(I used the roster on the Browns' official site... I thought Seymour was already gone.)
24 Bademosi, Johnson DB
30 Campbell, Ibraheim DB
26 Desir, Pierre DB
38 Feichter, Landon DB
43 Gaines, Charles DB
21 Gilbert, Justin DB
39 Gipson, Tashaun DB
23 Haden, Joe DB
37 James, Kendall DB
27 Nelson, Robert DB
33 Poyer, Jordan DB
42 Rankin, Joe DB
40 Saunders, De'Ante DB
31 Whitner, Donte DB
36 Williams, K'Waun DB
22 Williams, Tramon DB
95 Bryant, Armonty DL
92 Bryant, Desmond DL
96 Cooper, Xavier DL
93 Hughes III, John DL
60 McDaniel, Jacobbi DL
66 Meder, Jamie DL
71 Shelton, Danny DL
94 Starks, Randy DL
90 Winn, Billy DL
97 Wynn, Dylan DL
44 Johnson, Malcolm FB
6 Coons, Travis K
59 Carder, Tank LB
56 Dansby, Karlos LB
58 Kirksey, Christian LB
99 Kruger, Paul LB
51 Mingo, Barkevious LB
48 Orchard, Nate LB
52 Pullard III, Hayes LB
91 Reilly, Mike LB
53 Robertson, Craig LB
54 Solomon, Scott LB
47 Hughlett, Charley LS
63 Barton, Karim OL
75 Bitonio, Joel OL
74 Erving, Cameron OL
77 Greco, John OL
69 Ladson, Erle OL
55 Mack, Alex OL
79 McDonald, Andrew OL
64 Miller, Darrian OL
65 Olsen, Eric OL
70 Painter, Vinston OL
72 Schwartz, Mitchell OL
62 Seymour, Ryan OL
73 Thomas, Joe OL
8 Lee, Andy P
3 Lewis, Thaddeus QB
2 Manziel, Johnny QB
13 McCown, Josh QB
34 Crowell, Isaiah RB
20 Draughn, Shaun RB
49 Flanders, Timothy RB
29 Johnson Jr., Duke RB
28 West, Terrance RB
82 Barnidge, Gary TE
88 Bibbs, E.J. TE
81 Dray, Jim TE
84 Housler, Rob TE
11 Benjamin, Travis WR
80 Bowe, Dwayne WR
18 Gabriel, Taylor WR
83 Hartline, Brian WR
16 Hawkins, Andrew WR
10 Jennings, Darius WR
17 Lenz, Josh WR
85 Mayle, Vince WR
15 Moore, Marlon WR
87 Pryor, Terrelle WR
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Seymour already gone.
Not sure if we will keep both McDonald and Miller???
Bademosi was the one I thought would be on.
Also I know a favorite for some - DL Winn but there was an Interview with Pettine I believe it was questions about Taylor and Pettine rattled off all the good DLmen we had that made Taylor expendable...Meder, Hughes, all the usual suspects....one he didn't mention was Winn. I thought that was a total over sight or just a sign that he is not in their plans. I think it is the Later.
jmho...good job complete with the lines drawn through the gray names... 
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Looks pretty good, though I think Bademosi makes the cut because of his special teams ability. I also think tab may be right about Billy Winn. And my bold prediction is that one of these two receivers gets cut: Hawkins or Gabriel. I don't know that we need both, and I don't know that we keep both, particularly with Benji's resurgence. It's likely I'm completely wrong, and I don't want to lose either one, but I could see it happening to make room for Prior.
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