DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Everything Else... R.I.P. Bill Cosby's Career

It's why no matter how much we admire someone for their abilities, we should refrain from idolizing them.

Enjoyed him in I Spy (though I was pretty young). America had never seen an actor of color play an equally strong role as the leading man. Groundbreaking. Loved his comedy albums from the 60's & 70's. Coach Kincaid was the coolest HS teacher ever. And Cliff Huxtable single-handedly resurrected the 1/2 hour sitcom.

BUT... they were all characters, constructs.

Anyone who confused these personae for the real guy were setting themselves up for disillusionment. I know- 'hindsight's 20/20"... but think about it: even folks you think you know from the workplace are projecting what they want you to see of themselves. EVERYONE does it to some degree.

This one hurt a lot of folks because of how carefully cultivated his public optics were. He seemed like one of the last big stars you could 'look up to.'

This was despicable behavior.... almost- ALMOST beneath contempt. Not just predatory... cowardly, as well. I know the statute of limitations prevents charges from being brought in most of these cases, but at least Karma caught up to him before he escaped this plane of existence. I take a little comfort in knowing that he's paying for his douchebaggery while it still can effect his daily existence.

In the end, he was less of a quality person than most of the 'little people' who looked up to him. I'm a fan of irony, but I get no joy from this example at all.

Interesting: I caught his Comedy Central special just months before all this unsavory stuff dropped... and I felt a bit sad while watching it. It was painfully apparent that his best days were behind him. He didn't seem sharp any more. The timing was off. And he just seemed tired and a bit uninspired. I was OK with that... dude's almost 80. Seeing all this come out now, just makes me shake my head.

I don't know if can replay any of those old LP's and still laugh at them for their pure comedic genius. I mean... his stuff was always funny in a timeless way before, right? Can I simply enjoy the content on its merits alone? I've been afraid to try. Maybe I'll wait a few years before giving it a go.

This- like so many other contemporary news stories- just makes me more sad than anything else.

Mr. Cosby will pay his debt and for the rest of us, time, time will heal all wounds.

Noah, The Chicken Heart, Suicide Hill, how can you not enjoy those routines? While I have accepted it, it's been really difficult to accept bill cosby being a scum bag. Someone I grew up respecting who can turn out to be this kind of sleaze is not a fun thing to watch. I get no enjoyment out of this news. I think he should have to pay the same price as anyone else caught in this behavior. A part of me, deep down, doesn't want it to be true.

Guys... I hope you're right.

I really, really do.

A big part of the problem for me is that Cosby A) was so personal in his material and B) was known as a figure of moral authority. Some can still enjoy Woody Allen or Roman Polanski or Michael Jackson, and some can't. But there is a certain wall or distance between signal and noise there that Cosby's work stripped the barriers of. Personally, I can watch Polanski or listen to Jackson and make the separation. Allen's work has too many themes of pedophilia that I pick up on for my liking, I can't watch him anymore. And I think I'm done with Bill, as well.

This certainly isn't funny anymore:

Actually, from time to time the National Enquirer would run stories about him drugging girls and then having sex (raping?) them. Trouble is they run too many fake & planted stories, so sometimes it's hard to tell which are real and which aren't.

Yes but who reads that rag? I was buying groceries and the National Enquirer's cover said that Bruce Jenner is now a Lady!!! Believe that crap?

Scary part of that is, that in some of the photos of "Caitlyn" he/she actually looks like a decent looking older woman.

UGH! Leave it to you to take us back to the Gay thread!

Whatever it takes to upset you.

I haven't respected him for years now. Long ago before these allegations, he'd come on many talk shows all drugged up or drunk.

So 40 is not Gay? Or doesn't like to talk Gay? I missed something.

I read it! And yes, they were first with that story too.

So its true???

Understatement of the day.

Got me there... I set that up for you.

I grew up watching the Cosby Show. My parents were always very strict about what we watched and this was one of the shows. Even though their skin color showed the Huxtables as a black family, the show was about ALL families. There was something relatable for everyone that race never seemed like a consideration for anything. Now certainly as the Huxtable kids got older, closer to college, there were some episodes geared more towards black history, but they were centered around empowerment and pride through education and a knowledge of history... things again, that you don't have to be black to appreciate, things that everyone should be in to.

Its revelations such as these about people like Cosby that make me ever more thankful that people like Mr. Rogers were exactly who we all thought him to be. There are only a few things in this life that I have heard or witnessed that have broken my heart. If someone showed proof that Mr. Rogers was in reality a perv, it would probably send me to therapy in all seriousness.

Yep.

But his sister was on stage for an award last night and she
didn't say nuttin bout it!

I would be more surprised to find out Mr. Rogers wasn't a perv. No one that you see on TV is "exactly who you thought them to be."

Ideally kids are fortunate enough to have strong role models and people to look up to in their daily lives. Looking up to people on TV is a slippery slope.

HEY HEY HEY Fat Albert says maybe Bill was just playing buck, buck, with these women.

I read up on Mr. Rogers and there was even a mini documentary about him. Turns out he was so straight and so boring that staying awake while reading about his life was not easy. The guy was exactly what we saw on tv, slippers, sweaters and all.

http://www.biography.com/people/fred-rogers-9462161

Yes, I always thought he'd be up on charges one day of fondling little boys, something of that nature. Nope! Clean slate..... at least as far as we know (runs the horror music).

Noooooo! *plugging my ears*

One of my favorite things about Mr. Rogers is that veer so often there is a rumor that goes around that he was actually a Marine Sniper in 'Nam, and that he always wore sweaters and long sleeves because he was tatted up.

Kapt Kangaroo was a Marine I believe

I hear Mr Green Jeans made Rambo look like a wimp

and Bunny went on to a movie career in Monty Python in search of the Holy Grail.

'Deposition: Cosby paid women to keep affairs secret'

http://news.yahoo.com/cosby-paid-women-sex-tried-hide-payments-wife-022606312.html

NEW YORK (AP) — Bill Cosby, in sworn testimony a decade ago, said he had paid women after sex to keep the affairs from his wife, suggested he was skilled at understanding nonverbal cues for sexual consent and called one of his accusers a liar.

The New York Times (http://nyti.ms/1CPjldP) reported the revelations Saturday after obtaining a copy of a transcript from a deposition Cosby gave in a lawsuit filed by a former Temple University employee who alleges he drugged and molested her.

According to excerpts from the deposition released a month ago, and first obtained by The Associated Press, Cosby admitted he procured quaaludes with the intent of giving them to young women he wanted to have sex with.

The Times, citing the transcript, reports that Cosby told lawyers for Andrea Constand, who worked at Temple in Philadelphia and brought the suit, that he was a "pretty decent reader of people and their emotions in these romantic sexual things."

He said he offered to pay for Constand's education and paid another woman whom he had met in 1976. He said he funneled money to one of the women he had sex with through his agent so his wife wouldn't find out.

Cosby's publicist, David Brokaw, did not immediately return a message seeking comment late Saturday.

Although Constand never sought any money from Cosby, the comedian said he figured his wife would have known he was helping her with furthering her education but said, "My wife would not know it was because Andrea and I had had sex," according to the newspaper.

Constand's case was settled on confidential terms.

Cosby has denied accusations made by dozens of women who claim he sexually assaulted them. He has never been charged with a crime, but the accusations have shattered Cosby's good-guy, fatherly image.

At points during the deposition, Cosby also described his sexual encounters with the women in detail.

The deposition also paints Cosby as emotionally charming, but he also spoke about disregarding relationships to pursue other women.

He suggested he was skilled at understanding women and nonverbal cues signaling sexual consent.

Cosby, who has been married since 1964, said he sparked a relationship with Constand in the early 2000s and invited her to his house and had conversations about her family and plans for future education.

The relationship between the two continued for several years until, Constand says, Cosby drugged and molested her in his Pennsylvania home.

Cosby said during the deposition that Constand was "a liar."

Although Cosby painted himself as sensitive to Constand, he told her attorney, "I think Andrea is a liar and I know she's a liar because I was there," when he was asked how he felt about Constand crying during her deposition in the case.

Bruce Castor, the suburban Pennsylvania prosecutor who declined to bring charges in the Constand case a decade ago, told the AP earlier this month that if he is elected again he would review the unsealed court documents to see if Cosby committed perjury.

The Associated Press generally does not name people who say they have been sexually assaulted unless they agree to have their names published, as Constand has done.



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“Oh, what a tangled web we weave...when first we practice to deceive.”
---Walter Scott, Marmion

I wanted to give the man the benefit of the doubt despite the mounting accusations.

Bill Cosby could have had consensual sex with just about any woman he wanted, instead, by drugging them he displayed a more sinister mind at work.


Where are our hero's now? In life and in fiction.

So Bill's a rapist

Atticus is a racist.




"Scotty, beam me up!"

It is a real, absolute shame. The things he did are truly inexcusable.

It also happens probably every day on college campuses too, with guys getting women drunk to the point of unconsciousness, and having sex with their unconscious bodies. Absolutely revolting behavior.

I have no idea what excitement any of these animals (and that really is an insult to animals) get out of raping a woman in that manner.

*sigh* Yet one more case of mans sin winning its day.

I will wait for the trial. Sure has seemed to me that someone powerful is out to get Cosby. How did this latest report get released? That's illegal. Just like that family of the kid who touched his sisters at the age of 15, how did that get released?
Juvey records are supposed to be locked away. Interesting.

I know Cosby is guilty of using drugs back in the day but many people did. Rape still has to be proven to me.

A Pennsylvania judge ordered their release. Cosby's lawyers argued they shouldn't have been, as Cosby is not a "public figure". The second round was supposedly never sealed. Cosby needs to find new attorneys.



A FOIA request.



You have to ask for them to be sealed in many states. Not, however, in Duggar's state. The kicker with Duggar is that the family kept it out of the court system, and had they gone through the courts, no one could've obtained the records.

If they're not sober they can't grant consent. That's the law.

Agreed.

That would probably mean that at least half of all people having sex at 2:30 am or later are not giving consent ...... on either side.

If 2 drunk people have what seems to be consensual sex, does that mean that they rape one another?

Edit to add: I think that there is a point where it becomes difficult to impossible for a person to give consent, but I don't think that "Not sober" is that point.

That said, people shouldn't be out getting drunk or having sex outside of marriage. Avoid those 2 things and a person avoids tons of potential and real problems.

These darn kids with their sex and their drugs and their rock and roll.

'Bill Cosby loses latest legal bid to block sexual abuse lawsuit'

http://news.yahoo.com/bill-cosby-loses-latest-legal-bid-block-sexual-011545244.html

By Steve Gorman

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Bill Cosby lost his latest bid to fend off a lawsuit accusing him of sexually abusing a 15-year-old girl at the Playboy Mansion in Los Angeles in 1974, as the California Supreme Court on Wednesday denied the comedian's petition to review the case.

The accuser's attorney, Gloria Allred, said the decision cleared the way for litigation brought by Judy Huth, now in her 50s, to proceed, and that she intended to take Cosby's sworn deposition within the next 30 days.

"We are looking forward to Mr. Cosby answering questions under oath at his deposition," Allred said. "It's a very big victory."

There was no immediate response from Cosby or his lawyers, who have consistently denied allegations of sexual misconduct lodged against the 78-year-old performer.

But the legal setback for Cosby came as his defense team mounted a new public relations blitz on his behalf.

In a round of interviews with various news outlets, including ABC's "Good Morning America" and the New York Times, Cosby lawyer Monique Pressley said the media have distorted deposition testimony made public this month from a separate sexual assault lawsuit Cosby settled in 2006.

Pressley, a newly hired Cosby attorney based in Washington, said that while the deposition may have proved embarrassing to Cosby, nothing in his sworn statements marked an admission of criminal wrongdoing or of sexual encounters that were anything but consensual.

Huth is one of more than 40 women who have come forward in the past year to say that they were raped or molested by Cosby after he plied them with drugs or alcohol in incidents dating back decades.

The complaint filed by Huth against Cosby is one of at least four pending civil lawsuits stemming from such accusations, but Allred said Huth's is the only one seeking damages for the alleged sexual misconduct itself.

The others are defamation suits whose principal causes of action allege the entertainer falsely branded his accusers as liars by denying that he ever sexually assaulted them.

In addition, Los Angeles police are conducting a criminal investigation into a complaint brought against Cosby, an LAPD spokesman confirmed on Wednesday. He declined to give details.

Cosby has never been charged.

Los Angeles County prosecutors declined last year to bring a criminal case against him over Huth's allegations, saying the matter dated back too far under California's statute of limitations.

Allred said the statute is more forgiving of civil complaints of childhood sexual abuse, allowing for a claim of repressed psychological injury that is discovered by the accuser in the last three years.

Cosby's attorneys had sought dismissal of Huth's lawsuit on procedural grounds, arguing among other things that she lacked required certification from a mental health professional to support her claims. They also said in court papers that Huth sued Cosby only after she failed to extort money from him to buy her silence.

A Los Angeles Superior Court judge ruled against Cosby, and a state appeals court refused to hear the case in May. On Wednesday, the state Supreme Court did likewise, a decision that Allred said leaves Cosby no further legal recourse for blocking the lawsuit.

She said she expects to take Cosby's deposition in Massachusetts, where the performer resides.

The decision comes weeks after a federal judge in Philadelphia unsealed excerpts of a deposition Cosby gave in a separate sexual assault case he settled with a former Temple University employee, Andrea Constand, for an undisclosed sum in 2006.

The excerpts included Cosby's admission under oath that he had obtained Quaaludes, the brand name for a sedative widely used as a recreational drug in the 1970s, with the intent of giving the pills to young women in order to have sex with them.

(Reporting by Steve Gorman; Editing by Eric Beech and Ken Wills)



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I agree with this YTown.
I see these tragic stories of college woman getting raped and filmed while passed out drunk and it is so easily preventable.
I taught my daughter to never lose control of yourself in public, travel with friends, never leave an drink unattended and get a new one if you did. Never find yourself alone with a man or men unless of course you want to.
Personal responsibility goes a long way to keeping us safe and still having a good time.

Yeah, or you could just teach men not to rape people.

Yea, good luck with that. You apparently don't have a Daughter to worry about with that simplistic answer.