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Ugly day today, that's for sure.

18 innings, no runs. Ugh. Awful.

Antonetti has to go. I've been saying this for years.

For the most part, this team's success rate in signing FA and drafting talent have been extremely subpar. The buck stops with Antonetti.

Dolan and Shapiro need to exit with him, too.

This team will never win anything with the current owners and FO, they have proven to be incompetent over and over. We are down to 2 competitive teams in Cleveland, (hopefully)

Well ... Cody Anderson is off to a fair to decent start so far, huh?

Grady Sizemore HR ends Cody Anderson's perfect game in seventh - CBSSports.com
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/25228631/perfect-game-watch-cody-anderson-through-six

Cody Anderson is off to an incredible start to his big-league career. On June 21, he threw 7 2/3 innings of shutout ball in his MLB debut and Monday he got through 6 1/3 perfect innings against the Rays. It was ruined, coincidentally, by former Indians All-Star Grady Sizemore with a home run.

Anderson still has nothing to be ashamed about, of course. He started his big-league career with 14 scoreless innings. As for Monday, Anderson ended up going eight innings and allowing only that one run on two hits. He would pick up his first career MLB win. Through two starts, he has a 0.57 ERA and 0.57 WHIP with six strikeouts and just one walk.

There have only been 23 perfect games in modern MLB history. Two of them came from Indians pitchers. Addie Joss spun one in 1908 and Len Barker pulled off the feat in 1981. The Indians haven't even had a no-hitter since Barker's perfecto.

Major League Baseball hasn't seen a perfect game since 2012, when there were three. Max Scherzer came within one out earlier this season, hitting Jose Tabata with a pitch to ruin it with two outs in the ninth.

2 competitive teams? You certainly aren't including the Browns are you? Obviously not.

Well, let's see if this trend continues. Tampa Bay aren't necessarily pushovers.

The Indians have had 3 starters in a row bring perfect games into the 6th inning against Tampa. According to the Elias Bureau, that has never happened in the Majors in the post-expansion era (1961).

http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2015/07/mickey_callaway_says_cleveland.html#incart_river

With 11 games before the All Star break, the Indians sit at 9 games out of 1st in the Central, and 4-1/2 games out of the Wild Card. IMO, they need to win 8-9 of those games and then gather their forces for a second half push. They certainly have the pitching to do it, but I'm not so sure they have the bats.

Indians on a 4 game winning streak, Royals now with 4 straight loses.

Tribe 8 games back
Still 2 games below .500

Over the last couple years, it seems like every time the Indians go on a little hot streak, they have to go into a National League park for a series or two, and its usually a momentum killer. Despite the fact that we aren't a power lineup, this team can't play little ball, so losing the DH hurts them. Gotta figure out a way to hang with the Pirates if you want to go into the All Star break as a contender. By contender, I mean within 5 games of 1st place and/or within 3 games of the Wild Card.

Does Santana have any options left ? .. He is killing us at the plate .. I hate to admit , but he needs to go the way of Chisenhall ..

He's also brutal in the field. But no, unfortunately he's out of options. Indians desperately need some RH power in their lineup. The trouble is you'd have to give up pitching to get it. Maybe they should give AAA 1B Aguilar another shot.

Nice win tonight! 5 in a row....

Yep. Bauer had another nice outing. Our starting pitching 1-5,might be as strong as I have ever seen an Indians team's rotation. If Anderson can remain an effective starter, (and I don't expect him to be as fantastic as he has been so far, but if he can just remain effective with quality starts) then we have 5 plus level to elite starters. Every one of the pitchers in our rotation has an ERA of less than 4. That is just incredible.

Now we need to start hitting.

If anyone missed Bauers at bat where he imitated Avilas, Kipnis, and Rayburn's batting stances, here is a link - it is pretty funny.
http://www.foxsports.com/ohio/story/clev...e-aviles-070315

That's great! He worked it for a walk too.

J/C

Solid outing for Bauer tonight. I attended the game tonight, too! Maybe we can win out and get a .500 record by the All Star Break?

Go Tribe and Go Pirates! Wouldn't that make a great World Series? I can dream...

Another really nice outing by Cody Anderson tonight. He has now given up only 3 runs in 30 1/2 innings in 4 starts.

What a revelation he has been in the #5 spot! Man, if we can get the hitting on track, with the starting pitching we have, this could be an extremely dangerous team.

Danny Salazar with a very nice outing, allowing one run over 8 2/3 innings, and the offense managing to .... umm .... well, walk in 2 of 5 runs. (2 bases loaded walks that took them from 3 to 5 runs) Well, whatever works.

Keep it going guys! Let's go Tribe!

Indians actually played a good game in front of a large crowd (29,000) for a change. Could still get back to .500 by the break which could be a nice springboard to try to get back into contention.

Oh boy..Oh boy...Oh boy...

I get to see the game tonight on FS1.

Indians vs. Cincy. I get to see Kluber pitch.

Only the first Indians game on TV here in Connecticut this year. (with my cable tv package) The Indians have not played the Yankmes or Red Sucks yet this year.

I get every single Yankme, Sucks game on TV.

I'll get to watch alot of Indians baseball in August!

Takin' me home. Down the back stretch. To Opening Day kick-off.

J/C

Headed to the game tomorrow night, but mainly for Larry Doby night. I can't believe Thome received a statue before Doby, but that's what you get from an inept ownership group.

How can we acquire a power bat or two this offseason? We're going to have to give away an arm or two in the rotation. I doubt Antonetti, Shapiro, or Dolan would sign off on any of that. They need to get out of town.

Here's Larry Doby's statue, long overdue, IMO.

Agreed

Who already has statues for the Indians?

Feller, Thome, Doby...who else?

I think Feller, Doby, and Thome are it. We could start a list for who should be the 4th ...

Omar?
Albert?
Lofton?
Sandy Alomar?

Or going back in time ...

Rocky?
Boudreau?
Bob Lemon?
Tris Speaker?
Nap Lajoie?
Shoeless Joe Jackson? (MLB might frown on that since he was banned.)

Or how about John Hart for building the most potent offense since the '61 Yankees.

My top 2 would be Nap Lajoie, Lou Boudreau. None of the others are close in my mind. Both of these 2 deserve statues.

My next tier would be Rocky Colavito, Tris Speaker and Bob Lemon.

Omar, Loftin, Sandy and Belle are all iconic players to us because we hadn't had a winning team in Cleveland for so long. But will they be iconic players to Indians fans a few generations from now? Will any make the MLB Hall of Fame?

As an aside, I am not sure that Thome deserves a statue either. Definitely not before Doby, Boudreau, Lajoie, Colavito, Speaker and Lemon. What pushes Thome up is all the community work he has done in Cleveland.

As for Shoeless Joe, my issue is that no one thinks of him as a Cleveland Indian. If you ask any baseball fan in the country who Jackson played for, the vast majority will say the Chicago White Sox. Granted he played nearly the same number of games for both organizations.

What about Frank Robinson? Though again, mostly thought of as a Baltimore Oriole.

Earl Averill? Hall of Famer and six-time All-Star had .322 average in 1,509 games for Tribe. Holds club marks for runs (1,154), RBI (1,024) triples (121), extra-base hits (724) and total bases (3,200). Hit .378 (AL-best 232 hits) in 1936. His #3 is retired.

Mel Harder? Club leader in games pitched (582) and seasons (20) went 223-186. Holds all-time record of no runs allowed in 13 All-Star innings, over four games (1934-37). Won 15 or more games eight times. Tribe pitching coach, 1948-63. His #18 is retired.

Jim Hegan? Five-time All-Star played 1,526 games over 14 seasons with Indians. Considered one of the best fielding catchers of all time. Had career highs of 14 homers and 61 RBI in helping Indians win 1948 World Championship.

Al Rosen? Four-time All-Star and 1953 MVP (43 homers, 145 RBI, .336) twice led AL in homers, RBI and total bases. In last seven years (1950-56) before retiring at age 32, he averaged 27 homers, 86 runs, 102 RBI and a .287 average. Last Indian to win the MVP award.

Joe Sewell? Hall of Famer played 11 years in Cleveland, averaging .320 in 1,513 games. Struck out just 114 times in 7,132 career at-bats. Hit .353 with 109 RBI in '23. Led AL in doubles (45) in '24; topped AL shortstops in fielding percentage three times.

ROCKY C!!!!!

He is the one, only because he was a childhood hero.

Even today when I play old, fat man softball I have to have #21, son always wore 21, not sure he really understands where it came from.

Great list, Jester.

I agree with you about Thome. If I was choosing somebody from the 90's, it would be Albert Belle. (The statue would be Albert making a muscle with his arm and pointing at it - iconic.)

I think a good case could be made for any of the HOF Indians; Lemon, Averill, Speaker, Lajoie, or Sewell. Of those, I guess I'd pick Speaker or Averill. They were well before my time, but their stats depict great careers.

J/C

How would you fix this team for next year?

j/c:

Chris Antonetti has to go.

7 wins in a row. Yeah that's right, I'm calling it. 2 down, 5 more to go

Trading Carrasco will be very telling to what the Dolans REALLY have in mind.

If we trade Carrasco, we better get back a great young arm and a couple of major league ready bats. Carrasco is signed for several years to come, just having signed a new deal. (and at a discount, at that)

I love our starting pitching right now, and I hate to give away a major piece of it, especially, like I said, a guy who is signed for several years to come, and who has been outstanding this year.

Okay all you Indian fans. Who remembers a pitcher you had named Larry Burchart?



Here's his rookie card.

Anyway, played golf with him today. Nice guy. He's a little older now but surprisingly enough still looks enough like that picture to be recognizable.

I was around then, but I don't remember him. Here's his page at BaseballReference.com :

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/burchla01.shtml

It says he was paid $4,500 that year. Today, I believe the MLB minimum is around $450,000.

Interesting link, thanks Dave.