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dude you just liked your own post again.

Then don't. The only hypocrisy you can ever change is your own.

He is rather self aggrandizing.

I got big thumbs and a small screen. What you want me to do?

Get a phablet I guess?

J/C .....

I watched the replay of the debate later last night.

I thought that Trump was a train wreck. Bleh. If he gets elected, God help us. I want nothing to do with him as President, VP, or dog catcher. Want to get me to vote for a Socialist? Run Donald Trump for President. :puke:

I liked a lot of what Huckabee had to say I thought that he showed that he is well prepared for this type of trial. He is a retreaded retread though.

I didn't think that Christie did anything to help himself. getting into a national defense argument, and claiming that he has better national defense experience than a Congressman was .... weird. It does look as though he has lost a lot of weight, so that is probably good for him.

I was really impressed with Kasich and Carson. I thought that both men were thoughtful and came across very well. Kasich's ability to tie answers back to his experience was important IMHO.

I think that Carson is a really nice guy, a very smart man, and would make a great VP, but he will never get it because he is just too nice o rip an opposing candidate to pieces. I also worry that he would talk right over the average person's head. He is probably the candidate I would like most to sit down with and talk to though.

I think that I like the idea of Rubio as the VP more than as President. think that a Kasich/Rubio ticket could be very strong.

I wanted to like Rand Paul, and he just seemed determined to make himself unlikeable.

Ted Cruz weirded me out a bit. I hate thinking about anyone like that, but man, he looked like he had plastic parts on his face. If I was weirded out, then others had to be.

I almost forgot Jeb Bush. That's not a good sign for him. Ditto for Walker. There was just nothing.

The candidates who improved themselves in my eyes:

Kasich
Carson
Rubio
Huckabee

Candidates I sadly just didn't care about one way or the other ......

Paul
Walker
Bush

Candidates who declined in my eyes

Cruz (though not really by anything he said .... but appearance matters in today's politics, and he just looked a bit creepy)
Christie Blasting a sitting Congressman on national defense, as if he has much to do with the topic as governor of Jersey. Attack on points you can win, if you feel you have to attack.


My no way do I vote for this Bozo candidate:

Trump. He makes some good points, even on subjects that I am concerned about, but his flat out rude attitude, combined with his horrific manipulation of the system, and then adding on his "buying politicians" garbage, (which while true, really isn't an endorsement for a guy running for President) and topping it of with a degree of hatred/disregard for people like Meagan Kelly, (who did nothing but ask a good, tough question) and Trump came across as a mean, hateful guy, with some good ideas. Not my candidate.

My preferred candidate is unchanged, John Kasich. I disagree with him about gay marriage acceptance, but I respect the way he arrived at his position. I thought that he was one of the most likable candidates, and lived that he consistently brought answers back to his experience at the federal and state levels. I just hope that he didn't get lost in the bombast of other candidates. I thought that his exchange with Trump at the end of the debate, where he refused to blast Trump, but instead said that he was speaking to a section of the nation was brilliant. I thought that he was diplomatic, and came off very well in that exchange.

Anyway, just a few of my randon thoughts.

Politico's call on the debate is Rubio won it by a long shot and Trump lost it. Polls may not reflect this yet, but they will.
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/07/no-contest-why-rubio-is-clear-winner-of-debate.html

Interesting.

*GENERAL REPLY*

Trump doesn't get the GOP nomination in the end. I just don't see him being able to sustain what it is that he's doing. But he IS playing an important part right now and that's why he's enjoying such high popularity.

Swish mentioned that the GOP is slowly dying. I tend to agree with that. Its a sentiment often repeated by Dems and those on the Left. Problem is, they misunderstand WHY. They think that progressives are winning 'The Argument'. Simply put, the GOP as an establishment doesn't represent its constituency. McCain then Romney were purely establishment candidates, and the process was rigged in order to get them the nomination. Obama won not so much because he was well liked, its that many republicans didn't like McCain or Romney (though I think Romney was more liked than McCain, but many people were soured by the idea of it being 'his turn').

And again, like Swish has mentioned, since winning the Senate, the GOP has done jack. The GOP establishment has backed itself in to a corner. They aren't listening to the people that voted them in. People are not only tired of it, they are furious over it.

Trump is getting people fired up because he's bringing the important issues front and center, in a candid if inarticulate way. I think in the end what this will force the other candidates to do is actually have to address the issues. They are going to find it more difficult to side step the issues. Right now Trump is THE Anti-Establishment candidate. Other candidates like Cruz/Rand/Rubio/Carson/etc claim to be anti-establishment, but they are too polite about how they are going about it. When they are too polite they come off as 'business as usual'. Right now Trump is riding raw emotion and anger and that's why he's resonating with people. I mean, when's the last time anyone has ever heard of a candidate getting boo'ed AND cheered in the same debate????

Currently I think Jeb is the establishment poster boy. I honestly think that his high rankings are actually bought and paid for. There's no way that so many people actually favor him.

WTF do you mean, wordplay. I was perfectly clear in making my point that most of the people you refer to don't consider themselves republicans, and don't feel that republicans and conservatives as one and the same.... as you implied. That was my point of contention and I'm not "dancing around" anything. Read and comprehend, my friend.

He said the board has always had a right bend to it and now you're playing semantics between Republicans and Conservatives based on your standards. Stop trying to be right about this. It doesn't matter at all. Everyone who Swish listed would say they are on the right rather than the left (and some might take great offense being asked :D). Stop arguing about this please.

Kasich IMO won that last night. good assessment.

You are the one not facing the truth. This place is so left leaning it makes the Tower in Pisa look straight.

Stop going out of your way to change the subject when you are wrong but can't admit it.

you need to edit your post.

agreeing with me on anything is DT suicide around here. save yourself, bro.

I recorded and just watched the debate. Not bad! Trump is kind of a maniac of sorts. Sees things in black and white. Mouthy. Entertaining, but I don't think I'd want him to be president.

....Hmmmmm, what else? The girl asking the questions had nice teeth and beautiful earrings.

boy oh boy, have yall checked out the social media and news sites?

women on both sides are sounding off about the debates, slamming all of them.

jeez...

I appreciate ya lookin out, but I can't respectfully disagree with you on other issues if I don't have the honesty to admit when I agree with you.

word.

aye bro side note: sorry about the whole getting popped thing a few months ago. that was wrong of me to say that nonsense man.

I must have gone to the bathroom during that part of the conversation. What negative things about women were said by
Rubio, Ben Carson, John Kasich, Paul, Bush, Huckabee, Christie, Cruz, and Walker?

I'm not sure why y'all think Kasich won anything? Dude was about as vanilla as you can get. He sounded like a Rino to me.

Exactly why he did so well. He was articulate, concise, showed his proven track record. A great way to open up to the nation. He certainly is playing to win.

Don't worry about it. I honestly don't recall reading it. I probably said some stupid stuff too around that time.

I hope Trump wins the nomination just for the sheer lunacy of it.

Reminds me of Patton Oswalts sketch about wanting Bush to win in 2004. Just so he could be the "last president" of the apocalypse.

I hope Trump wins the nomination just for the sheer lunacy of it.

Reminds me of Patton Oswalts sketch about wanting Bush to win in 2004. Just so he could be the "last president" of the apocalypse.

You need to work on that stutter.

But now I can like twice as many of my posts!

But now I can like twice as many of my posts!


Edit....this one was unintentional...stupid satellite internet

I also thought he did well.

Yep. He already has a bombastic reputation, so to look calm and composed, and to not get rattled at all was a huge victory for him. I thought that he got his experience and accomplishments across well. He looked Presidential, friendly, capable, and experienced.

Probably has to do with abortion.....

It's a difficult thing. My g/f and I argue about it all the time. I understand how some of the religious folks feel.... I'm very against late-term abortion as well. But a lot of folks feel it is not the government's right to make those decisions. Then there's a lot of folks who believe that it's the government's duty to stand up for an unborn child (and then comes the argument of, when does a person become a person....)


Anyway, someone like Rubio who says he is pro-life in all instances or whatever, can really get a lot of women pissed off. Some man, telling them that they should have no opinion about what to do with a pregnancy that puts their life at risk. That just seems like a lonely road.


But that's my issue with this idiotic Republican party. They have to appeal to the religious right, who I want absolutely nothing to do with......... And in reality, for what? To win Iowa? Why is Iowa so important anyway? Why do Iowa, New Hampshire, and then South Carolina get to be the first states to have primaries? Why can't they just randomize the dates for all states every four years? Seems fair to me. I mean, I live in Connecticut, we have more people than Iowa and New Hampshire. Why can't we ever be important.......

For anyone interested more in Carly Fiorina..

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobri...shment-n2036224


The first 10 minutes a typical red meat. The Q and A starts around the 10min mark.

I'm still looking in to her positions, but so far she SOUNDS like a better communicator than most of the rest of the field, on both sides. Her style reminds me of Reagans a bit, where he had a way of making it seem like he was talking directly to you. I think the one who communicates the most effectively will take it all in 2016.

Cruz- sounds nasally
Rubio- sounds like a kid brother
Trump- is on a constant sales pitch, and his attitude and manners won't sit well in the South
Carson- very soft spoken, maybe too soft?
Paul- sounds like he's talking down his nose at everyone

Sanders- sounds like an old man (I know, he can't help it)
Clinton- she's too shrill and is much like Obama in that she's a massive train wreck when she tries to sound like 'everyday people' (which depends on where she is at that moment). The body count keeps piling up the further off the rails she gets.

If she can (read as: if the establishment allows her) to get on the mainstage in these debates, she may have a shot in the Primaries.

Unfortunately, hardly anyone know who he is, 'cept for people in Ohio (and those who watched the debate). And I never know how to pronounce his last name!

P.S. May I just add I thought Jeb Bush came across well, and I say that saying I could not stand his brother when he was president.

John Kasich is a steelers fan...

no bro....no...

can't even rep this guy anymore.

Agreed. I'm going for Carly now

Sorry Mr. Kasich, you were a little too progressive for me anyway.

That was no circus. If it was you would have seen these idiots all over the place.

http://citizenj.edgeqld.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Circus-protest-1Cas-Allan-1000x400.jpg

Worse than that he is behind the closing of workshops for people with Developmental Disabilities all over the state of Ohio. Yep just who I want as President. What is he going to do next make fun of the Special Olympics

The candidates I thought did well in Thurday's debates were Rubio, Cruz, Fiorina, Jindal, and Kasich. Of those, I liked Cruz and Rubio best.

I liked Ben Carson a lot, too, but he seemed quite out of place among a group of people with lesser brain power, like the guy wearing a tux to a toga party. I don't know why he'd want to subject himself to this process. I also don't believe the first office you ever run for should be POTUS.

Trump's loutish behavior was embarrassing, imo. I don't know whether to compare him to a turd in a punchbowl, or the skunk at a garden party - maybe he is most like a drunk skunk dropping a deuce into the punchbowl. I think its possible he's a stalking horse for the Clinton's. In any case, I don't want this guy within a mile of the nation's nuclear codes.

The rest:
Someone described Gov Walker as a sitcom Dad - bland and lacking depth - I think I agree. Bush is a legacy candidate, but I'm done with dynasties / royalty in this country. That means no more Roosevelts, Kennedy's, Bush's, or Clinton's. (I might make an exception for the Adams's.) Christie is an East Coast Republican, ie; Rino, ie; Blue Dog Democrat. I could vote for him if I had to (vs Clinton or Sanders), but he's no conservative. The rest - Huckabee, Santorum, Gilmore, Perry, Pataki, etc, are tired also-rans whose time has come and gone, IMO.

Last thought: if you were playing a drinking game based on every time a candidate started a sentence with "I'm the only one on this stage who ...", you would have been hammered.

I have been trying to figure out who from the past that Trump reminds me of and I think its Teddy Roosevelt.

Teddy was always gruff and that was his way. He was never PC. When someone criticized TR, they became an instant enemy who he would attack verbally. TR also liked to talk and talk about any subject he was
interested in. One time he was talking to a crowd and an assassin shot him on the stage. Teddy, being wounded and all, continued to address the crowd. He went on for quite some time while refusing help. Finally, after completely covering the subject and making his points, he said "Well I guess I better go to the Hospital now." The crowd roared with amazement!

Trump has some of those qualities which I believe is why he leads in the polls, people find him different and amazing but not always liked.

And this reminds you of an insecure waif with orange skin who has to fold his hair over four times before he walks out of his bedroom in the morning?