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Trump also said that he is a Christian, but that he was saved by the good things he does, even after bring given multiple opportunities to just say the name Jesus Christ.

So he acts like a lout, and pretends to be a Christian ... while ruining the lives of other people in order to build himself a fortune ......

I get that he has tapped into anger, but you should never elect a President exclusively on anger.

Donald Trump: 'I'm Not Sure If I Ever Asked God's Forgiveness'
http://www.christianpost.com/news/donald-trump-im-not-sure-if-i-ever-asked-gods-forgiveness-141706/

Donald Trump says he's not sure if he's asked God for forgiveness, at the Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa on Saturday, which led some to question the sincerity of his alleged Christian faith.

Moderator Frank Luntz asked Trump on Saturday if he had ever sought God's forgiveness and Trump replied, "I'm not sure I have ever asked God's forgiveness. I don't bring God into that picture."

Trump clarified further about forgiveness in the church setting saying, "When I go to church and when I drink my little wine and have my little cracker, I guess that is a form of forgiveness. I do that as often as I can because I feel cleansed. I say let's go on and let's make it right," declared Trump.

Trump made immediate headlines Saturday for questioning McCain's war record, when he stated, "He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured."

McCain has been critical of Trump's comments on illegal immigration and called Trump supporters at a rally in Phoenix, "crazies." Trump blasted McCain for graduating last or second to last in his class at the Naval Academy, but later added in his conversation with Luntz, "Perhaps he is a war hero."

"We have Christians in the Middle East getting their heads cut off and these people want results not tone," added Trump.

Trump too was asked about his faith in God and he elaborated on his admiration with his former pastor, Norman Vincent Peale. Trump said he could listen to Peale, who passed away in 1993, "all day long" and praised his book, The Power of Positive Thinking. Peale pastored Marble Collegiate Church in Manahattan for 52 years, which is a member of the Reformed Church in America denomination.

Eric Teetsel, director of the social conservative advocacy group Manhattan Declaration, was live-tweeting at the event and several times voiced his displeasure at Trump's remarks.

"So [Trump] has never sought forgiveness, takes his 'little wine and little cracker' to 'feel cleansed.' Now are we done?" Teetsel tweeted.

Becky Kruse, who attended the event and said she was considering Trump for his immigration stance, told The New York Times, "I was not too impressed. He sounds like he isn't really a born-again Christian."

Trump called the Iran nuclear deal "a disaster," and ripped Secretary of State John Kerry "for not getting our hostages back," adding that Kerry is "the worst."

"I think we are run by a group of incompetent people and they are destroying our country," declared Trump.

Trump continued his harsh critique of what he calls career politicians. "No politician in my opinion is going to get this country back," said Trump. He criticized politicians for being "totally controlled" by special interest money.

He attacked Obama saying, "I don't know if Obama loves this country, I don't know." Trump told Luntz if he wanted an answer to whether Obama loves this country he needs to ask first lady Michelle Obama.

"I thought he [Obama] would be a good cheerleader," declared Trump, "but he's been horrible."

"He hasn't even called Kate Steinle's family who was killed in San Francisco," declared Trump. "This is a man that was pushed over from Mexico, and nobody has even called the family. Morality and success go hand in hand, you can't have one without the other," he declared. Steinle was randomly shot and killed by an illegal immigrant on a pier in San Francisco on July 1.

Trump praised his children and talked about the importance of family in his own life. "The happiest people I see in my own life are the people with great families," said Trump.

The 2015 Family Leadership Summit on Saturday was sponored in part by the National Organization for Marriage, Liberty University's Helms School of Government, and Family Research Council Action.

Trump called the Iran nuclear deal "a disaster," and ripped Secretary of State John Kerry "for not getting our hostages back," adding that Kerry is "the worst."

"I think we are run by a group of incompetent people and they are destroying our country," declared Trump.

Trump continued his harsh critique of what he calls career politicians. "No politician in my opinion is going to get this country back," said Trump. He criticized politicians for being "totally controlled" by special interest money.

He attacked Obama saying, "I don't know if Obama loves this country, I don't know." Trump told Luntz if he wanted an answer to whether Obama loves this country he needs to ask first lady Michelle Obama.

"I thought he [Obama] would be a good cheerleader," declared Trump, "but he's been horrible."

"He hasn't even called Kate Steinle's family who was killed in San Francisco," declared Trump. "This is a man that was pushed over from Mexico, and nobody has even called the family. Morality and success go hand in hand, you can't have one without the other," he declared. Steinle was randomly shot and killed by an illegal immigrant on a pier in San Francisco on July 1.

I agree with him on this stuff.

I do as well. However, while Trump has tapped into some legitimate anger, he is also acting like a less than humorous clown, and hurts the very cause he professes to love.

About a month or so ago I had watched about 5 hours of a 8 hour documentary on Teddy and Franklin.

I think this is pretty fair comparison in terms of style, though their motived were in many ways different.

People appreciate the bluntness of both men, the lack of political correctness, and both are unapologetically anti-establishment. Because of that, people are willing to take their over the top and bombastic statements with a grain of salt.

When it comes to motives, Trump is only doing this because he personally has something to gain out of it. He's not the kind of person to do something 'for the good of all mankind'

Teddy, he fought for the little guy, but he embodied the liberal mindset that he knows what's best for the common man, even if they don't. He didn't do anything without making sure he told you how much credit he deserved.

Trump acts like a self made successful man who owes nothing to anyone. He does not have to think of who he is ticking off before he speaks and is not losing handouts from anyone he
owes. He, unlike all the others, is not in anyone else's pocket.
He is not a Politician. He is Trump. I think the only cause
he is hurting is the PC Parties he rails at, just like the guy who pointed out the Emperor has no close, it is upsetting the status quo.

Don't be confused that my understanding of the guy means I would vote for him.

Yes, I saw those shows, they were fantastic.

I didn't say Trump WAS Teddy, I said his gruffness and Love of Talking reminded me of Roosevelt more than anyone else from our History.

I also think you are guessing when it comes to Trumps motives.
We don't know what they are just yet.

j/c



Trump dumped from Red State event over Kelly remarks

By David Jackson 3 hours ago USA Today

ATLANTA — The organizer of the Red State Gathering of conservative activists said Saturday he “dis-invited” Donald Trump from the event because of indecent comments about Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly that suggested menstruation.

“I really think it was inappropriate,” organizer Erick Erickson told delegates at the gathering’s morning session. “I’ve got my wife here; I’ve got my daughter here.”

Referring to the Thursday debate in which Kelly asked Trump about past insults to women, the billionaire told CNN late Friday about the Fox News anchor: “You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. Blood coming out of her wherever.”

Erickson and other critics said it appears that the billionaire believes Kelly asked him tough questions because she was having her period. In announcing the event expulsion, Erickson said, “I don’t want my daughter in the same room with Donald Trump.”

In a statement, Trump said he meant to refer to blood from Kelly’s nose, and “only a deviant would think anything else.” He attributed the withdrawn invitation to “political correctness.”

As for Erickson, Trump said “Not only is Erick a total loser, he has a history of supporting establishment losers in failed campaigns so it is an honor to be uninvited from his event. ”

The New York-based businessman also said that, during the debate, he made Kelly “look really bad — she was a mess with her anger and totally caught off guard.”

Applause and some boos greeted Erickson when he made the Trump announcement at the Red State gathering early Saturday.

During a video of the CNN interview played at the meeting, some Red State delegates — unaware of the dispute just minutes before — gasped when Trump made the “wherever” comment.

Responding to Trump’s attack on him, Erickson said, “it is not political correctness — it is common sense.”

Trump leads in early Republican presidential polls, but his scathing comments about critics has earned him opposition.

Other presidential candidates — Jeb Bush, Scott Walker, Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee — are scheduled to address the Red State Gathering on Saturday.

Businesswoman Carly Fiorina, the only female candidate in the Republican presidential race, backed Kelly in a pair of tweets, one of which said: “Mr. Trump: There. Is. No. Excuse.”

In another tweet, Walker said that while Kelly is a tough interview, being president “is tougher.” The Republicans and the media “need to get back to how we’re going to turn U.S. around,” Walker said.

Huckabee, who did not mention the Trump flap during his speech to the Red State delegates, declined to criticize the businessman in speaking with reporters afterward, but did defend Kelly. He called Kelly a “quintessential, consummate professional.”

Another candidate, former New York Gov. George Pataki, called it a “sad but predictable meltdown from Trump.” In a tweet, Pataki said, “with all due respect to @megynkelly, the outrage at Trump’s divisive language is long overdue.”

Erickson and some of the Red State delegates said Trump’s attacks on Kelly underscore the Republicans’ problems with women voters. Erickson said Trump backers sent him nasty e-mails likening Kelly to a prostitute and using “the n word” to describe President Obama.

“We will not gain the White House if we are not going to be happy warriors,” Erickson told fellow conservatives.

Trump was to have spoken at the event’s end-of-the-session barbecue on Saturday night; Erickson said he has now invited a replacement speaker: Megyn Kelly.

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We will agree to disagree.

I don't think that Trump hurts the party all that much early on, but he does hurt the party if he stays in long term.

There is no way I would vote for Trump. None. I would not only not vote for Trump, I would vote for the Clinton or the Socialist before I would vote for Trump, and that truly pains me to say.

Yes, and this confirms to me that Trump is not part of any
establishment. I am also surprised at my fellow Conservatives for acting like Liberals in the way they are handling Trump, from dis-inviting him to speak, to the questions Fox asked him in the debates. Each question he got was directed at "You are this terrible horrible person so defend yourself." Everyone else got the soft shoe "What is your position on this or that."

To me, it is obvious the fix is in to squash the Donald.

I hear he may speak at someplace nearby during the event, wouldn't it create a Buzz if he attracts a larger audience?

Ah, Politics.

And you have every right, sir.

I have said it from the beginning, Trump will fade. Just not yet.

Now for Bush...

In my thinking, he is the Heir Apparent and has nothing to gain and everything to lose at this point in the process.

Slow and steady, don't kill yourself, and see who you are up against when it is only 3 candidates. That's when you take a risk and make your move.

For everyone else it is "Look at Me, Pay attention to me", time.

Again, the keyword is "acts". It's all a thinly veiled facade. He's not a self made man, is extremely insecure, and clearly cares deeply about what others think of him, to the point where any criticism leveled at him is met with a name calling temper tantrum. I can concede that there is a certain bluster and ego that he shares with Teddy, but they're born out of opposite ends of the spectrum. Teddy's came from a place of utter confidence. Trump's comes from needy insecurity. I'm glad he's in the race. Politics needs a fire bomb thrown into it. But the credit afforded him should end there.

This part I can agree with. This is the time for yelling and finger pointing, later on, it will be more serious as we look at 2 or 3 people we trust to be President.

However right or wrong Megyn Kelly's question was, I don't like the appearance of the media trying to choose our candidate for us.

How are they trying to pick our candidates, and how was her question in any way wrong?

It was a legitimate question about the way he has treated women. Let's face it, the Republican candidate will not win without getting some percentage of the female vote. He has treated a lot of women with a great deal of disrespect, no matter what the provocation. A lot of people have heard how he has addressed and treated women verbally. They want an answer, and he just went off on another woman instead of giving an answer. It was horrible form on his part. If he didn't know that kind of question was coming, then he's an idiot.

I have no clue what Trump's platform is, other than anger, and telling people how rich he is.

My other question was as to "the media trying to pick our candidates". How do you see that as having taken place in this debate? (which I thought was a really good debate, overall) Trump blew his stack and started attacking, as he has done all along. That is not how a President, VP, or small town Mayor should act.

I would seriously not only not vote for Trump, but I seriously would vote for whoever ran against him in the general. (should he somehow win the nomination)

My nightmare scenario is that the Republicans actually pick a good candidate for once, and I actually do like a few of those running, and Trump then sabotages the party by running as a 3rd party candidate. Unfortunately, with Trump's ego, I could see that happening.

The media attempts to throw 'gotcha' questions, and it seems to me it's at candidates they don't like. Why not directly question Rubio on his immigration flip flop? Why not question Huckabee on his early exit from the last round of debates? This seemed like an attempt to delegitimize Trump.

Don't get me wrong, I think Trump will do that to himself before too much longer, but when you add in the uninviting from the Red State conference, that will only add to his, 'I'm the anti-politician running for office.' If he is going to be outed from the political process, I would prefer he does it to himself to prevent a 3rd party run.

I would have rather have heard more about his politics than his misogyny, as I already know he's a misogynist. The stuff he said on his TV show was for entertainment purposes, and should not have been brought up in a debate. He could have been interviewed about things he had said about women instead of in the debate, and we would have gotten a better answer than 'screw you, Megyn'.

"Speak softly and carry a big stick." Describes Trump very well considering he doesn't speak softly nor carry a big stick.

They do this with everyone though. It's not like Trump is being bullied here. The first question they said to Ben Carson was pretty much, "Not only are you underqualified, but you can't even answer basic questions." I support the hard hitting questions. No one will hold your hand when you're POTUS, no need to do it in an interview.

j/c,,,


Trump says he fired top adviser

By Fredreka Schouten 45 minutes ago USA Today

Donald Trump, the billionaire roiling the Republican presidential field with his controversial statements, has parted ways with top aide Roger Stone.

Here’s the statement released Saturday afternoon from Trump’s campaign:

Mr. Trump fired Roger Stone last night. We have a tremendously successful campaign and Roger wanted to use the campaign for his own personal publicity. He has had a number of articles about him recently and Mr. Trump wants to keep the focus of the campaign on how to Make America Great Again

Stone, a veteran GOP strategist, disputed Trump’s version of events, saying he quit the developer’s campaign. Trump “didn’t fire me,” Stone wrote on Twitter. “I fired Trump.”

The campaign shake-up, first reported by The Washington Post, comes as Republican condemnation grows over Trump’s controversial remarks about Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly. In complaining about Kelly’s tough questioning at Thursday’s GOP presidential debate, Trump said Kelly had “blood coming out of her wherever.”


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It was a tough question that Kelly threw at Trump, but check out the transcript below - just read the first round of questions to each candidate. Maybe not "gotcha" questions (whatever that means), but they were definitely adversarial. I attribute it to Fox trying to impress and gain ratings from a more mainstream audience by showing how even-handed they are. But this ain't beanbag - these people need to be ready for this kind of treatment, and worse. Its no place for someone with thin skin.

http://time.com/3988276/republican-debate-primetime-transcript-full-text/

So the implosion has begun. Should be entertaining.

This comment won't help with the female voters...

Trump on Megyn Kelly: She had 'blood coming out of her wherever'

By Jessica Estepa 15 hours ago

Donald Trump’s slamming of Megyn Kelly continued on Friday night, with the presidential candidate seeming to imply that Kelly’s aggressive questioning during the first GOP debate was because she was on her period.

During an interview with CNN’s Don Lemon, Trump unleashed a rather graphic criticism of the journalist:

Well, I just don’t respect her as a journalist. I don’t think she’s very good. I think she’s highly overrated… She starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions, and you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. Blood coming out of her wherever. She was, in my opinion, she was off-base.

Trump added that he wasn’t alone in his critiques, pointing to responses to the debate from people on Twitter.

Kelly took Trump to task during Thursday’s GOP debate, at one point calling him out: “You’ve called women ‘fat pigs,’ ‘dogs,’ ‘slobs,’ ‘disgusting animals.'”

“Only Rosie O’Donnell,” Trump cut in.

While Kelly has not responded to Trump’s Friday comments, other have. Fellow GOP candidate Carly Fiorina tweeted her disapproval:

And RedState’s Erick Erickson uninvited Trump from the conservative blog’s gathering in Atlanta this weekend:

His comment was inappropriate. It is unfortunate to have to disinvite him. But I just don’t want someone on stage who gets a hostile question from a lady and his first inclination is to imply it was hormonal. It just was wrong.

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Shows you really what the Donald thinks of women. I am one and would never vote for him.

Trump talks to women the same way he talks to men.

If that's not Equality, what is?

Yeah, I thought Kelly's opening question to Carson was by far the most ruthless. And when did the phrase "gotcha question" come to mean "call someone out on their ridiculousness"? It used to be a term that denoted a question worded in a way that any possible answer would make the person look bad. Now it's come to mean any question that points out a person's misdeeds or shortcomings.

I don't think that there was anything at all wrong about asking him about why he was acting like such a dolt. He offends a lot of people, and should be called on it. Why would women vote for a man who acts like that towards other women? Just answer the question.

Debates have to be where candidates take weaknesses and turn them into strengths .... or at least don't let them become bigger weaknesses. Trump failed badly in this regard.

Fox obviously is pushing hard for the Republican to win the POTUS in the next election. Sure, that's fine and it's no secret. But Donald is the most serious threat to that NOT happening, especially if he runs as a third party candidate and takes half of the R-votes with him.

It's in Fox's interest to destroy Trump every chance they get. They are loving this feud with Megan Kelly. Makes Trump look even worse to attack one of their beloved. They want to spend as much time as they can to get the rest of their viewers, and therefore right-leaning voters, to have a bad impression of Trump. It ultimately will give the real R-candidate a better chance to win.

He could have turned the comment against her, didn't expect the language, surprised that it was brought up in this forum, etc... instead he slants her then goes where he should not have.

It was only a matter of time, fun while it lasted, this stuff begins too soon anyway.

Fiorina now leads Trump according to this poll.

Sounds good to me. She's not my first pick, but definitely not my last either.

I'm running for president.

Oh! Well that changes things! What is will be your first act in office if elected candidate swish?

I like how the article said Trump meant she had blood coming from her nose. Yeah, right lol

I actually feel kind of bad for Bernie Sanders. I've heard he's been forcibly booted from a couple of rallies he was invited to speak at by #blacklivesmatter activists who crashed the events. There's not a snow balls chance I would vote for the guy, but he shouldn't be shut up and shouted down like that.

This happens all the time when public figures drop gaffes on the mic.

The walkbacks are usually more comical than the original statements.



"When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging."



p.s. It really was a totally tasteless thing to say. Low-class as can be.

I saw the video in Seattle. What a load of crap. They shoved Bernie out the way and said a bunch of nonsense, then the people that was there to see Bernie started complaining, at that point the two chicks started calling them white supremacist liberals.

F outta here with that. That's not how to get your point across. I felt ashamed.

You already know bro lol

The sooner he flames out the better. I knew he would when he announced, just can't wait for it to happen.

Is anyone surprised by this? That he made a gaffe? Or that what he said was tasteless?

He is what we knew he was to begin with. He just has the money to get in front of everyone with his bs.

Don't count out the Donald just yet...

A new NBC News poll provides the first glimpse of the Republican race following the Fox News debate on Thursday.

The exact breakdown and percentage of the first seven spots in the NBC poll are: Trump (23), Cruz (13), Carson (11), Fiorina (8), Rubio (8), Bush (7) and Walker (7).

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...st-debate-poll/