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Farmer told Thomas to fake an injury so he can get Irving in the starting lineup.

Think about it.

Joe Thomas leaves practice after Danny Shelton rolls up on his leg; early word is it's not serious | cleveland.com
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BEREA, Ohio -- Browns eight-time Pro Bowl left tackle Joe Thomas had his leg rolled up on at the end of practice by rookie defensive lineman Danny Shelton, and let out a scream.

Shelton was blocked into Thomas from behind by Pro Bowl center Alex Mack, who's been having good head-to-head battles with the rookie.

Thomas had his right knee and ankle examined on the sidelines by head trainer Joe Sheehan, then walked off the field and into the locker room with one of the other trainers.

After spending some time in the training room, Thomas told some folks that he doesn't think the injury is anything serious. He'll undergo some exams just to make sure, but coach Mike Pettine also didn't think it was anything to be alarmed about.

"Uh, yeah, we'll know more,'' Pettine said. "I don't think it's any serious. Yeah, normal (tests). Just getting checked.''

Ironman Thomas has played every offensive snap in his career -- all 7,917 of them.

On the final drive of practice, Thomas and Joel Bitonio were double-teaming Desmond Bryant when Shelton - 6-2, 339 pounds - was blocked into him from behind by Mack and both Thomas and Shelton went to the ground.

Thomas grimaced and let out a scream that had his teammates and coaches worried. He was still in pain on the sidelines when trainers took off his shoe and examined his right lower leg.

Michael Bowie stepped in for Thomas and finished the drill, and Pettine said Cam Erving and Bowie will split time at left tackle if Thomas misses any time.

Thomas' teammates were optimistic he'll be okay.

"Joe's fine,'' said Erving. "Joe's got a great track record. He hasn't missed a game. He hasn't missed a snap since he's been in the league, so he's somebody that I don't worry about. You've just got to take extra precaution because he's such a great player and he's such a durable guy."

Said guard John Greco: "You just hope he's OK. You just hope it's nothing serious. At this point, I don't know anything about it. I just hope he's OK. At this point, I don't know anything about it. I just hope he's OK."

Greco said he visited Thomas briefly in the trainer's room.

"I just went in there and I'm sure everyone is going in there asking him about it,'' he said. "I just tried to go in there and show support because he's a friend, a teammate and I just kind of gave him a five and said, 'Hey, I hope everything's OK.' I didn't want to sit there and ask him 100 questions. Just to show him that I've got his back, and I'm sure he's OK."

Linebacker Paul Kruger knows what a blow it would be to lose Thomas even for a brief period.

"There's cornerstone guys that really, you need out there, and Joe's been an effective player for a long time,'' said Kruger. "You want to take care of those guys and make sure they're healthy, so I'm hoping everything's okay.''

Thomas' status for Thursday night's preseason opener against the Redskins at FirstEnergy Stadium is unknown, but the starters probably won't play much anyway.

HARTLINE TOO: On the last play of practice, receiver Brian Hartline and Tramon Williams both jumped for a deep ball down the right sideline, and Williams landed on Hartline, who came up limping. Hartline limped back to the sidelines, but later jogged toward the locker room and seemed fine.

Pettine been saying "I don't think it's serious" about a lot of people's injuries, yet I don't see or hear about them even riding bikes or doing other drills or being able to practice.

Grant a lot of it could be precaution, let them heal 100%,but a lot of these could be more serious than Pettine wants to lead on.

One of few things I hate about Mike is he's so hush hush and non transparent on injuries. You can tell he avoids and gives the run around virtually every time asked.

Which sucks, cause here in Cleveland... there's usually many injuries to discuss.

Show him love quick! Wonderful watching him when he is healthy. Get ready, big guy!

Can he play in preseason game THursday?

No one will admit to it, but I really feel that most Brown's fans underestimate just how great Joe is. I don't think they realize that no other LT plays on an island as much as Joe does.

I hear people gripe about him because he gives up an occasional sack. I hear them complain because of his false starts. I hear them--when pressed--that he's appreciated, but man............this guy is one of the greatest Browns of ALL TIME!!!

Yet, chumps like Weeden, Leon, BQ, and now freaking Josh McCown get talked about more than Joe.

I will tell you this..........if Joe is out for an extended time period......we are screwed. And no, I am not suggesting he will be out. I'm just saying that's how freaking good he is!!!

That's one thing I don't understand as well. I don't understand how fans expect everyone to be perfect all the time. I read so many posts that JT was going downhill last year because he got a few false start penalties. I really feel like most fans don't have a clue.

And whatever happened to building up some collateral? I think we can excuse JT for the occasional mistake since he rarely makes them. But most fans love to point out the negative.

I know people know he's good, but yeah, I am not in the boat of underestimating him.

He probably is the best All-Time Brown I will have witnessed play in my lifetime. He's the epitome of professional, great and all that!

Praying there is more news about him soon. I keep frequently checking websites.

You two make good points and perhaps I should not have used the phrase......"most Brown's fans...

LBer........I know you appreciate Joe. I've read your stuff over the years. Rish.....I don't remember you bashing him or praising him, but I believe you.

Again.....I probably shouldn't have used the word "most." I just get ticked when people bash him and then when a thread is started about him.......like the current one in the Tailgate Forum......it hardly gets any replies, yet a chump like McCown is talked about like he is going to be the guy to lead us to the playoffs.

Sorry. I just think Joe is a great, great player and I wish Brown's fans would recognize him more often.

I would never bash JT.

I'm proud that he's a player for the team I root for.

JT is already one of the greatest Browns of all time.

JT is one of those VERY FEW who play like a Brown.

1st ballot hall of famer but he does get overlooked because the only time he will ever be noticed is if he gives up a sack or in most cases just pressure. He is a legend but the crappy QBS we have trotted out there has just wasted his talent.

As a fan, I'd like to know more, too... BUT I'm also old enough to remember those 'good old days' when we'd get maybe 3-4 articles per week in the local rag... and a simple injury report list on Sat.

Face it, LB... we've been spoiled by the internet!


Also... in the heat of reg season, I mind it much less- because if WE know all the ins & outs, so does the competition. No point in giving them an edge when planning personnel matchups for Sunday, you know?

If I'm forced to choose between the way Pet runs his team and the constant dribble of bad news, rumors (Grossi), and 'word is' (Roger Brown) that has been the calling card of previous Browns regimes...

I'll take ol' "Tight Lips Pettine" any day.

just my .02's worth...

I think Joe gets plenty of love here on these boards, but you may be right about the casual Browns fan out there who only watches the games on Sundays and yells "Pittsburgh Sux!" Monday thru Saturday.

By and large, this board is far more tuned-in and savvy than the average Dawg on the streets. It's prob why Joe T gets the love here. I've never seen a poster here de-emphasize his importance since his first season here. Sure, there were some numbskulls who pitched a hissy when we took JT over Adrian Peterson... but they've since shut their pie-holes, and got on board the JT Express with the rest of us.


I think those other players get talked about more than JT because there's not much to say except:

Joe Thomas: one of the best (if not THE best) to ever play the position."

Since that statement is pretty much the end of the argument, there's not really much else to say, you know?

Joe Thomas is an all time great player, one of the very best in the NFL today, and a sure fire Hall of Fae pick as soon as he is eligible.

That said, he is not in a game changing position. He has been the greatest player at his position for many years, yet we had been a 4 or 5 win team for most of those years. This is nor a disparagement of Thomas ..... just a fact ..... on a bad team, an elite LT just doesn't make that much of a difference.

Unfortunately, we need a QB, and the QB impacts the play on every offensive snap .... so people are going to talk about the QB. It's like if your house has a perfect roof ..... no leaks ... no drips ...... just perfect performance ...... but you haven't been able to get a furnace in that works. Year after year you have had furnaces installed, but none have worked properly. In this case, what are you going to talk about most often?

Yeah,our team has been outstanding since acquiring JT. Looool. He's great,but we need a great QB. Ever since Kosar left,I feel like I've been lost walking around the Saharah desert....under delirium from a scorpion sting.

Looks like good news:

'Joe Thomas not practicing Tuesday, but no sign of serious injury'

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...serious-injury/

Posted by Josh Alper on August 11, 2015, 10:24 AM EDT
Joe Thomas, Mike Pettine
AP

Tackle Joe Thomas gave the Browns a bit of a scare on Monday when he went down after getting his right knee rolled up on during practice, which led him to the sideline for the rest of the session.

The Browns expressed confidence after practice that Thomas, who walked to the sideline without assistance after getting checked out on the field, avoided a serious injury. Those feelings appear to have been accurate.

Thomas isn’t taking part in Tuesday’s practice, but the assembled beat reporters at Browns camp report that he’s walking without any limp and that his right knee is not wrapped or otherwise adorned with additional protection. Mary Kay Cabot of Cleveland.com reports that he didn’t have an MRI. While most of his teammates practice, Thomas is riding a stationary bike on the sideline along with members of the team recovering from injuries of their own.

The Browns open their preseason slate on Thursday and it’s not known if Thomas will play what was likely scheduled to be a limited number of snaps in that contest.



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Good to hear. Hopefully they play it smart and sit him out of the game. No need to risk a bigger injury on a meaningless first preseason game.

No wrap or anything around his knee??? Walking with zero limp? No MRI scheduled or happened?

That's not good news, that's great news.

Johnny Manziel rests his throwing arm at Cleveland Browns training camp

BEREA, Ohio - Cleveland Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel rested his throwing arm in practice Tuesday. In individual drills, Manziel only threw left-handed, and he's not taking reps in 7-on-7s or team drills.

The team will update his status after practice around noon. The Browns play the Washington Redskins in their preseason opener Thursday night at FirstEnergy Stadium.

After the scrimmage at Ohio Stadium on Friday night, Manziel wore a big ice wrap on his right elbow, but said he always ices his arm after practice.

With Manziel idle, Connor Shaw and Thad Lewis took all the backup reps behind Josh McCown on Tuesday.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss..._medium=twitter

so.... that's not good news.

i really dont know what to make of that????

Nothing - until there is something to be made of it.

Ice is as much preventative as it is injury therapy - there is nothing to be read into it at this point.

That cinches it.... he's going to I.R.

holding him and johnny out for the big trade.

Anyone who bashes JT is an idjit. He is as you say, one of the greatest players in team history, and will be in Canton one day (I only hopes he has a Super Bowl ring – or three – when he retires).

Dead arm syndrome
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Dead arm syndrome starts with repetitive motion and forces on the posterior capsule of the shoulder. The posterior capsule is a band of fibrous tissue that interconnects with tendons of the rotator cuff of the shoulder. Four muscles and their tendons make up the rotator cuff. They cover the outside of the shoulder to hold, protect and move the joint.

Overuse can lead to a buildup of tissue around the posterior capsule called hypertrophy. The next step is tightness of the posterior capsule called posterior capsular contracture. This type of problem reduces the amount the shoulder can rotate inwardly.

Over time, with enough force, a tear may develop in the labrum. The labrum is a rim of cartilage around the shoulder socket to help hold the head of the humerus (upper arm) in the joint. This condition is called a superior labrum anterior posterior (SLAP) lesion. The final outcome in all these steps is the dead arm phenomenon.

The shoulder is unstable and dislocation may come next. Dead arm syndrome will not go away on its own with rest—it must be treated. If there is a SLAP lesion, then surgery is needed to repair the problem. If the injury is caught before a SLAP tear, then physical therapy with stretching and exercise can restore it.

It is common among baseball pitchers as they age. It can also happen to NFL quarterbacks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_arm_syndrome

What on earth are you implying? That JT and JM will be traded soon? I suggest you recheck with your "source", or trade in your cracked crystal ball for the latest model. Also, your post below with the "dead arm" definition. Are you suggest ing that JM has a dead arm? You just can't make this stuff up...

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Manziel update: (& it's good news!):

Manziel held out with sore elbow, expected to play in preseason opener

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...partner=ya5nbcs

Posted by Zac Jackson on August 11, 2015, 12:04 PM EDT
AP

Johnny Manziel was held out of practice Tuesday with what Browns coach Mike Pettine called “a little elbow soreness” but not a major concern.

Pettine said Manziel should play Thursday night when the Browns open the preseason vs. the Redskins. Timing is everything for a quarterback trying to make up for lost time — all of his rookie season, basically — and Manziel needs to be healthy if he’s going to make any kind of real push in this camp. The Browns go to Rochester for two days of combined practices with the Bills Aug. 17-18 before the teams play an Aug. 20 preseason game.

Manziel wore a protective sleeve on his right arm Tuesday, and though he went through early drills he was a spectator later in practice. Pettine said Manziel’s issue is just “wear and tear” and that the only loss Tuesday was a day of reps.

A Cleveland radio station has been charting every pass Manziel has thrown for two training camps now, and according to that count he threw just eight passes on Monday. He’d gone 9-of-11 in live situations during an intrasquad scrimmage last Friday.

That combined with a couple of solid practice showings had helped Manziel create some momentum. How close he really is or has been to making the Browns believe he’ll eventually be a starting quarterback we don’t know, but after last year the bar was very low and improvement was expected.

Though Pettine praised Manziel last week, he said this week that Josh McCown is firmly the team’s starting quarterback. Among the footnotes to the story of the neverending carousel of quarterbacks the Browns have had since returning to the NFL in 1999 is that no quarterback has been upright and available to start all 16 games in a season.

With Manziel out, Thad Lewis got the snaps with the second-team offense in Tuesday’s practice. When both Manziel and Brian Hoyer were hurt for the 2014 season finale in Baltimore, the Browns started then-rookie Connor Shaw, who’s back in camp this summer and eligible to be on the practice squad if he can’t make the active roster.

Pettine said the Browns starters figure to play about a quarter in the preseason opener. Assuming Manziel is cleared to play, he’d likely figure with the second group.

Props to Joe ... we know his toughness and his heart

Hell, that would put West on IR for two years

Wow. Just... Wow.

eo said there is some big trade before friday and thats all they were talking about on 92.3 the fan. the dead arm thing.

I don't see what all the fuss is. I've had plenty of MCL tears, so long as MCL stands for My Cute Lips.

MCL isn't bad... you don't need it for much, really.
I tore my right MCL years ago (about 75% tear), never had it fixed. Doesn't affect me in any way.

I don't use the word "hero" very often, but you may very well be the greatest hero in American history.

You misspelled Gyro.

yea to all.