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I know, we already have somebody fitting that description paid to do that.

Perhaps I am simply being dense, Memphis, but to whom are you referring?

Look at my post before that one.

Ah, the previous page thingy. Gotcha...thanks!

I keep reading more and more on this Rice deal .. I have a lot of respect for Pettine , BUT ; this would be way over the top for me.. I a not a win at any cost guy !

I don't think the Browns will sign him, because of him punching out his then gf. It's just so negative.

His legs are shot. No thanks x 2.

only for what he did on the field.
I don't know of too many folks that respect him as a human.

Forgive as the Lord has forgiven you.

He's done. No thank you.

I think this is just motivational blah blah blah... This FO does not want another media circus.

And the chances of him doing it again, or something similar (likely worse) is too great. Having a bit of experience investigating domestic violence, I can tell you an abuser doesn't start at knocking the ever loving snot out of his significant other. Short of being Rice or his girlfriend, I can all but guarantee he's knocked her around before. That incident may have been the worst he's done to that point, but a lot happened along the way already.

3.1 YPC
660 yards


We already have that on our team.

Thank you, but no.

That's true .... and I should try .... although there is nothing there that I, personally, have to forgive.

I still don't want someone with that background on my team.

I have a real problem with men who beat on women.

This story line keeps growing leg's , I hate it !

I have more of a problem with women who beat on men...

Probably Ray Rice's agent trying to get something drummed up.

ever meet my wife? not to far off that. every one of our kids came out sideways. never a grunt let alone a squeal.

That was a different era. You were allowed to beat your women back then.

Ah man...

Every team has discussed Ray Rice. Our coach is the only one to verbally confirm that those discussions have taken place.

Drag them out of the cave by their hair and beat them with a dinosaur bone...

On a serious note... What Ray did was wrong and as much as I don't like seeing things like that... His woman sure was quick to defend him...

I would say it's a personal matter between the two of them...

If Ray can come to this team and help win games then sign him... It's not a perfect world and people make mistakes..

It's easy to condemn someone for thier faults , than it is easier to admit our own.

I don't think players have to be choir boys. However, HELL NO to signing Ray Rice. He is a POS. Right up there with tiny ben.... So no thanks to scum like him. If the Browns sign a guy as vile as that I would have to seriously think about if I want to continue following this team. They don't get much lower than Rice.

Man, but when he was good he was damn good. "The punch" set aside, he was one of my fav running backs when he was in his prime.

thought he spit in phil taylers face at a game?

Wow......I saw all these new replies since I was on here last night and I actually thought we signed him. Y'all are so righteous...

I almost wish we would sign him just to see all the back-tracking and double-talk by the "this regime can do no wrong" crowd. It would make for hilarious reading.

You really are conflicted...

A contraian at heart.

I hope he gets a second chance, just not on our team. That being said, there are players in the league that killed people accidentally and we're still able to play. If the NFL handled this properly in the first place this story would have died out awhile ago.

'Why the Browns aren't considering Ray Rice - and shouldn't: Mary Kay Cabot'

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/08/why_the_browns_arent_consideri.html

By Mary Kay Cabot, Northeast Ohio Media Group on August 12, 2015 at 5:22 PM, updated August 12, 2015 at 8:23 PM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Browns aren't currently considering signing former Ravens running back Ray Rice, and they never should.

On Tuesday, coach Mike Pettine told Don Banks of SI.com that Rice's name came up, "but at this point we're not there yet."

It's only natural that Rice's name was mentioned, because every decent available player is bandied about by NFL teams. The same can probably be said of troubled pass-rusher Aldon Smith, who was released by the 49ers. But mentioning a player's name doesn't mean a team is thinking about signing him.

Granted, Pettine spent a season with Rice in Baltimore and running backs coach Wilbert Montgomery coached him for six years there, during which he rushed for more than 1,000 yards four times and thrice made the Pro Bowl.

But that doesn't necessarily mean Montgomery would jump at the chance to work with him again.

Pettine also told SI.com that there's been no need for him to decide yet how Rice's domestic violence incident factors in because "why bother with asking the question if the need never presents itself?"

His remarks were consistent with what a source told Northeast Ohio Media Group's Tom Reed last week, that the club isn't interested in Rice, at least right now.

But it's doubtful they'll get to that point -- and they shouldn't.

And it's not because Rice knocked out his then fiancee Janay Rice in an elevator last year and dragged her out unconscious. People can and do change, and Rice claims to be rehabilitated. Hopefully that's true and that he'll never hit a woman again.

No, the Browns can't sign Ray Rice because they've been in constant turmoil for the past three or four years and can't afford the distraction and the sideshow that Rice would become.

The Browns are just beginning to recover from the circus atmosphere surrounding Josh Gordon, Johnny Manziel, Justin Gilbert and general manager Ray Farmer -- and are constantly portrayed nationally as a dysfunctional franchise.

Their two first-round picks from last year, Manziel and Gilbert, are still trying to overcome off-the-field issues and live up to their lofty draft status. Manziel takes life one day at a time these days after spending 10 weeks in an addiction treatment center, and no one knows how it will all turn out. Gilbert, who had his own demons last year, is working through those while vying for backup reps with fourth-round pick Pierre Desir.

Meanwhile, Farmer is gearing up to serve his four-game suspension for Textgate, and owner Jimmy Haslam took his top brass offsite after the season in part to define and clarify roles. Farmer and Pettine are doing far better together this year, but it's still only their second season together -- and the second year for each as a coach and GM.

Rice would be a monumental undertaking for even the most stable of franchises -- but far too great a burden for a team that's produced one winning season in the last 12 and is on its third head coach since 2012.

What's more, the running back room is full of young players -- some of them immature -- who need a solid veteran to show them the way, not someone seen knocking out his fiancé on video. Montgomery called out the group this week for not wanting the starting job enough, and Pettine stressed that Terrance West still has some growing up to do. Isaiah Crowell is struggling to show Montgomery he's hungry, and Glenn Winston still needs guidance.

Besides, the Browns already have a crowded corps when healthy. In fact, Montgomery, when asked Monday if he'd like to add anyone, said, "No, I've got too many in my room. That's the problem. I've got nine guys. I've got to weed out so there can be less carries for those guys.''

If Pettine polled the locker room about Rice, he'd probably get more than a few nays, including perhaps one from Phil Taylor, who indicated after a game in 2013 that Rice spit in his face. Rice denied it, but that's what Taylor accused him of on the field before slapping Rice in the helmet. Rice also reportedly spit in Janay Rice's face twice before punching her.

Pettine would have to be absolutely certain that Rice is a changed man, because after watching the video in December, he wanted no part of it.

"It was deeply disturbing especially as a father that has two daughters,'' he said then. "There's just no place for that behavior in our society.''

What's more, Rice hardly seems worth all the baggage. In 2013, his last year on the field, he averaged only 3.1 yards per carry and rushed for 660 yards. He told Rodney Harrison Tuesday on Pro Football Talk on NBCSN that the dropoff was due to a torn hip flexor, but he's been idle for a long time and he's been through a lot.

Besides, with an offensive line like the Browns', it wouldn't be hard to pluck a back off the street who could churn out 3.5 yards per carry. What's more, there'll be plenty of unemployed ballcarriers as teams make their roster cuts over the next month.

Chances are, Duke Johnson (hamstring), Shaun Draughn (thumb), Winston (knee) and Luke Lundy (concussion) will trickle back soon from their injuries, and Rice's name will never come up again.

But if it does, the answer should remain no.



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Been waiting forever to say this, but... Mary Kay nailed it! Agreed 100%.

Yeah, he's averaged over 40 catches a year and last year was the only of his career he didn't eclipse 1k yards on the ground. Still got 668 yards on only 155 carries.

Ray Rice deserves a second chance and he is much better and much healthier than what we have currently. That seals it. He won't be signed here.

3.1 yards per carry.

And Bernard Pierce, who had rushed for well over 4 ypc the year before had the second most carries in 2013 and had a 2.9 avg.. the following year he was back up to almost 4..

Think maybe something else was going on with the running game in Baltimore in 2013?

It's definitely possible. All I know for sure is that Rice was bad his last season he played, took a year off, and is now 28 years old (getting up there for a running back). He can't/won't contribute on special teams and will take carries away from our young backs who need development.

If we (the team) generally believes that at least 2 of Crowell, West, and Johnson are going to be healthy and ready to go then I agree with you.. my thought that he was being considered if they couldn't go, in which case he isn't really taking carries away from anybody.

This is true. But even then I would take a guy like Chris Johnson over him. Even guys like Knowshon Moreno, Ahmad Bradshaw, and Pierre Thomas might be better.

Browns' Haslam OK if team considered adding Ray Rice

By Kevin Patra
Around the NFL writer


Browns' Haslam OK if team considered adding Ray Rice

When Cleveland Browns coach Mike Pettine said this week the team has discussed signing Ray Rice it felt like either a trial balloon to gauge public sentiment or a shot across the bow of his young running back group.

It turns out it was probably a bit of both.

On Thursday, ahead of the Browns' 20-17 loss to the Washington Redskins, owner Jimmy Haslam told ESPN's Bob Holtzman he'd "like to see (Rice) get another shot" and would be OK if it were with his club.

Both Pettine and general manager Ray Farmer said it would be "premature" to talk about the possibility of signing Rice.

"Right now I'd say it's all premature in my mind," Farmer said, via ESPN.com. "We're interested in seeing what our young guys can do. Focused on them. Giving them the opportunity to demonstrate whether they can or they can't.

"I think we've got some talented young guys. Ray's had his career. We kind of know what he is. We think we know. There's a lot of tape."

Rice's last regular season game-tape -- in 2013 -- was no bueno and he averaged just 3.1 yards per carry. However, by all accounts in 2014, Rice looked slimmer, more fit and ready for a return to form.

Farmer said Rice's name has been discussed, "But like everybody else's name. Like Pierre Thomas. There's a bunch of guys whose names have come up."

Added Pettine: "We are comfortable with where our (running backs) room is."

Isaiah Crowell (four carries for 6 yards) and Terrance West (four for 10) didn't exactly set the world on fire Thursday night and Duke Johnson didn't play due to injury.

Whether the Browns decide to add Rice or another veteran depends on the young group's performance the rest of the preseason. But at least Farmer and Pettine know they have the owner's backing should they decide to bring Rice in.

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Yes he was. Last year, he was a shadow of his former self... the kind of shadow that looked like it was here to stay. Shelf life: at expiration date. Book it.




Yes he did... and damn near got his head taken off for his efforts.