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I like Jennings over Lenz (and over Bowe, but that can't happen)

J/C

I just don't see how Pryor could/should make the team. He's learning a new position and has been on the field so little, that it makes no sense (to me) to put him on the roster.

I truly believe that if Pryor had gone to Michigan or nearly anywhere else but OSU, no one would even give him a second thought.

I don't think it's based on that bias. Who from the coaching staff/front office has an OSU bias?

What I really think is going on is that he is a tall, athletic receiver who they view with a high ceiling. He also apparently had some success in camp and showed that he was willing to work at the position.

Now, had we had a plethora of tall, athletic receivers to evaluate right now, he could very well be off the team.

I'm not endorsing him as I have no idea, but I would speculate the coaching staff sees a lot of potential in an area where we are extremely weak. I imagine they view Pryor as a low risk/high reward solution to that problem.

If you tune into one of Pettine's "somewhat" recent pressers, he pretty much stated Moore and Benji were locks due to their STs contributions.

Either Pryor makes the team because he potentially could provide backup support @ Qb, but other than that, I'm not sure how he makes the team having missed so much time and etc and especially his situation of new positions.

Hog up a roster spot based on 'potential', not sure how that'll fly. Maybe if he comes in and truly does look like Calvin Johnson in our last preseason game, but even Pettine said his reps would be limited.

So this will dwell into what he's doing in practice I guess?

j/c

I believe the main reason Pryor may make the team is a very simple one. HUGE upside and we paid nothing for him. The team needed some size at the WR position. To address it, they signed Bowe and Hartline. They also snatched up Pryor whom is an athlete of astronomical proportions.

You need versatility among WR's with a mix of size and speed. That's why there will only be so many roster spots for Smurfs. It's almost like two separate positions. Big bodied targets and speedy Smurfs. There has to be a balance there and if Pryor makes the roster, that will be why.

Plus he has NFL experience. Not at WR but NFL experience. He is waaay ahead of many UFDA WRs because of his experience. Plus again, with his experience as an NFL QB he understands the routes.

He apparently has great hands and is an athletic specimen. What he needs to learn is how to gain separation from NFL CBs.

Or that decision is made. May be bubble bait for final preemie show. Also possible that he is in for sure. Can't believe he might survive waivers and be here. Take a flier on Pryor and float another receiver perhaps. This sit rep is odd and hard to see for me. Don't play; you are in. Hope we are giving it to everybody straight.

Many undrafted wide receivers? I find that hard to believe.

Well then point out to me any UDFA with a couple of years of NFL experience.

I tend to agree with this.

What about this theory: Pryor DOES have a rather huge potential upside. Given his time in the league, he's not eligible for the PS is he? Even if he is, I'd imagine he would be picked up pretty quick by someone else. So we keep him on the active 53, see if he works out over say the first 4 Weeks of the season. If he does, great! If he doesn't, we cut him, and bring up one of the WR's we did manage to stash on the PS.

Its risky, but I think a risk that can be managed.

If you guys ahd to pick one WR, who would it be:

1)Wynn
2)Lenz
3)a Pryor who eventually lives up to the potential?

Point me to any tape of Terrelle Pryor playing wide receiver, in a game, at any level of football.

Can probably do that later this week.

Listen, I know you are disappointed with many things regarding this team. It's evident in your posting. You're one negative comment after another. That's ok as there is a lot to be disappointed about.

But understand this, things are the way they are. We are not magically going to have an elite WR fall into our laps. The UDFAs we have are showing some good things right now. But it's true that many, many players have shown good things in camp and the preseason only to never have a career in the NFL.

Pryor has or has had an NFL career. He has all the physical attributes one looks for in a WR. (not all UDFA rookies do) Plus, he knows what it's like to be in the NFL. There is no transition for him in that regard. (all rookies have that transition, it takes time). He knows exactly what's expected of him and has done for a couple of years.(no rookie has this experience).

It seems he has good hands. Having been a QB in the NFL and having won some games he knows exactly what's expected of an NFL receiver. (no rookies understand this). He knows the route tree. (no rookies have this full understanding).

He knows what to do. He just hasn't done it yet. He needs to learn the intricacies of going up against NFL CBs as do all UDFA rookies as well.

At this point he is like a rookie, only with NFL experience, the perfect WR body type, knows the route tree and has good hands. He is hungry. He has something to prove. He seems to be a tireless worker.

I take those attributes over an undersized UDFA rookie WR all day.

In my opinion these things makes him head and shoulders above an undersized rookie of whom no team saw enough in them to risk a draft pick.

Experience trumps.
Knowledge trumps.
Body type trumps.
Hunger trumps.
The need to prove himself trumps.

Anyone can dig a negative out of anything. Even I can do that. So that alone is nothing special.

Pryor has upside other guys on this roster don't. We have so many small overachievers, and you want to reward them all for working so hard. But we need one big WR at least. Bowe is being handed untouchable status based on his 2010 season. Mayle is maybe not as bad as people think, but is hurt. Hartline will have a good season, but as a possession guy. So our best chance at having a big dude might be Pryor.

based on what they did this preseason
1. hartline
2. Benji
3. Gabriel
4. Jennings
5. Lenz


ST contributions
1. Moore
2. Benji
3. Gabriel
4. Jennings

Upside
1. Gabriel
2. Pryor
3. Mayle
4. Jennings
5. Benji

Vet leadership
1. Hawkins
2. Hartline
3. Bowe? lol

Route running
1. Hartline
2. Gabriel
3. hawkins
4. Benji
5. Lenz

Hands
1. Hartline
2. Lenz
3. Gabriel
4. Jennings
5. Benji (he was very inconsistent until this preseason)

Speed
1. Benji
2. Gabriel (he may be faster)
3. Jennings
4. Pryor

At the end of the day. Hartline, Gabriel, Benji, Jennings I think have earned their spot. I did not realize Jennings had left that big of an impression on me until i started making this list.


5. Now you are debating, Lenz who had a great camp and preseason vs Bowe and his size and guaranteed money vs Hawkins and his quikness and leadership vs Moore and his tremendous special teams value vs pryor and his size and athleticism.

I'd agree with your lists (especially your opinion of Jennings ... he really impressed me this summer). If he doesn't make the roster because of Bowe I'll be upset, but maybe he'd squeeze to the practice squad.

Bowe simply doesn't deserve to be on our team ... in fact, it was stupid to sign him to a guaranteed deal to begin with. If it wasn't guaranteed he'd be this year's Burleson

I guess after reading my own post, I wasn't clear. I didn't mean to imply that the coaches had any bias, so much as a lot of the posters on the board. I don't for one minute argue Pryor's athletic ability, but I just wonder if it's worth a roster spot because of potential and athleticism alone.

I can respect that.

Given that this team invested heavy in Phil Taylor and then turned around and cut him, I just don't think Money will be the deciding factor. And it shouldn't be. If they don't think he fits, I'm absolutly sure they'll cut him. (Bowe that is)

This staff invested nothing in Phil, it wasn't their selection and as someone eluded to, him and Jaball were drafted under Jaurons 4 3 scheme.

This staff did invest in Bowe. I just cannot see them cutting Dwayne. If the guaranteed wasn't so high, I'll agree with someone else's remarks: he'd be this year's Nate Burleson.

I'm biased for guys that have the head of a QB, body of a TE and speed of a WR.

I'm not saying that he won't bust, but prospects like that don't come along very often.

First, in my opinion, we haven't seen Bowe do much to grade one way or another.

As for Jennings making it over Bowe, really doesn't make sense since both server a different purpose. You are not judging equally. Compare Jennings catching the ball in traffic to Bowe. If Jennings matches or exceeds, I say you have a strong argument.

Jennings is mostly competing against Hawkins, Benjamin, and Gabriel.

As others have pointed out, Pryor comes with some established NFL credentials, but has yet to prove himself as a WR. The others he is competing against are variations of what we already have many of, talented smurfs. What we don't have in abundance is big, athletic WR. Smurfs are plentiful, and as much as I like these guys who have worked so hard to impress, they can't offer what Pryor can, if he can live up to the promise. If he doesn't, there are more smurfs out there.

If Pryor went to Washington and not Ohio State, pretty much no one would want him on the roster.

Yes, that's me. Mr Negative.

I am an SEC guy but I am intrigued enough by what little I saw in Pryor as a receiver to give him a shot as the 6th receiver #53 on the roster. Those last couple of slots are fluid and he may be worth holding onto for a couple more weeks to see what he has.

He'd be the 7th, probably, and then you have to ask...

Bowe
Hartline
Benji
Hawkins
Gabriel
Moore
Prior over Jennings? If not, they have been asked if they'd consider keeping eight. Pettine said possibly... that's a lot of WRs though, so probably not. The only reason you keep Prior on the roster at this point is potential and the fear someone else snatches him up if you cut him.

Mayle to the PS?
Lenz - Real talent, PS?

A 90+ yard TD against the Steelers in a game that actually mattered gives plenty of reason to give him every opportunity to make the team to me.

He's familiar with Flip and NFL offenses/reads.

He didn't look out of place at receiver despite having only one play (that I can think of) as a receiver post-high school.

He has the measurables. He's put in the work.

The only thing we don't know is if he can put it all together when the bullets are flying. Hopefully we can see that tomorrow.

I could've ran for 93 yards through that hole in the Steelers defense.



When have you seen him play receiver?

If Bowe makes the team over Lenz, it is criminal. One guy playing like there is no tommorow and the other playing like he is afraid to get his uniform sweaty.

I'd take him, too.