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Jordy Nelson torn ACL

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/green-bay-packers-jordy-nelson-torn-acl-initial-diagnosis-082315

yea i saw that. wonder why?

from the artical...

On if there is any concern in regards to Manziel’s arm: “Am I concerned? If the trainer tells me I need to be concerned and it is a long-term thing and not just a usage thing, then I will be concerned.”


On if the trainers are saying he should be concerned about Manziel’s arm: “No.”

Pouncey (the Steelers one) jacked up his ankle and has to have surgery.

Too bad.

Sore arm pushes Manziel out of practice again

Johnny Manziel’s push for continued improvement and, eventually, a shot to start for the Browns has been derailed again by a sore arm.

Manziel was held out of the remainder of Sunday’s practice after he came off the field holding his right arm after delivering a deep pass to rookie wide receiver Josh Lenz. After practice, Browns coach Mike Pettine told reporters he does not think Manziel is dealing with a serious issue but would likely hold him out of Monday’s practice.

The Browns don’t practice Tuesday, so giving Manziel Monday off would give him almost 72 hours rest before he practices again. Pettine called it “elbow soreness” when Manziel was limited for two days in the week before the team’s first preseason game.

The third and generally most important preseason game is Aug. 29 at Tampa Bay. Manziel has not played with the starters in the first two preseason games.

Starter Josh McCown led a touchdown drive on his only series in the preseason opener but threw two interceptions in the second; Pettine has said McCown is “firmly” the team’s starter but has praised Manziel’s progress and approach throughout camp.

Connor Shaw is out for an extended period with a thumb issue, so Manziel sitting would leave the Browns with just two quarterbacks, McCown and Thad Lewis, in practice. Maybe the team will explore outside options from a very thin pool of available quarterbacks; Pettine told reporters the team could use quarterbacks coach Kevin O’Connell to throw during practice if necessary.

wonder if Kevin O’Connell will make the 53 man roster?

Then there is always Pryor, when he heals...

If it's the same O'connell that I'm thinking of from NE, then yes, he could beat out Thad (and maybe McCown when he's under duress)

Wow I was watching that game. He limped off the field, didn't look too dangerous. Like a sprained ankle. Rodgers probably crying...

While losing Nelson is a huge blow, Rodgers is fine. They still have Cobb and Adams.

Johnny Manziel's elbow soreness because of ingrained 3/4 release, Browns OC says

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/08/johnny_manziels_elbow_soreness.html#incart_river

By Mary Kay Cabot, Northeast Ohio Media Group on August 24, 2015 at 10:51 AM, updated August 24, 2015 at 1:09 PM

BEREA, Ohio -- Browns offensive coordinator John DeFilippo attributes Johnny Manziel's elbow soreness to an ingrained three-quarter release -- one that's not likely to change anytime soon.

That means occasional elbow soreness is something that Manziel -- who rested Monday -- will likely have to deal with throughout his career, and something he's experienced before. A three-quarter release is when a thrower lets the ball go at an arm position halfway between sidearm and overhand.

"You see a three-quarter release sometimes,'' said DeFilippo. "I'm a big believer in once guys get to this level, you can help them with their lower body from the waist down. It's really, really hard to change from the waist up. It really is. You look at the guys that have been documented in the past in terms of bad mechanics at quarterback, it kind of follows throughout their career. It's really hard when a guy has been throwing the ball since he's been 10 years old to change that in an offseason, especially now with the new CBA we don't get these guys in the offseason.

"But you see him three-quarters at times and sometimes that's a lot of pressure on the elbow and shoulder. I won't say it's the wrong way to throw a football, because I've seen a lot of successful quarterbacks throw the ball like that. That's part of the reason why Johnny can get the ball out of his hand so fast. He has that whip release. At times that will put a lot of stress on your elbow."

But he says he's not worried about Manziel's elbow.

"No, I'm not,'' he said. "Johnny has probably got what 30 or 40 percent of the other quarterbacks in the league have right now: sore elbows, sore shoulders. There's a lot of wear and tear on those guys in terms of their arm.

"Those guys have been throwing footballs since they've been young guys. I'm not too concerned about it. If (trainer) Joe Sheehan and the doctors come up to me and say, 'Hey, this is something that's going to be a chronic issue' then there's going to be come concern and we've got to watch it, but I'm not too concerned about Johnny right now. He's doing fine."

He believes the problem will clear up soon.

"Once training camp is over and the volume of throws goes down, that has a way of clearing up itself,'' he said. "I've been around guys with elbow and shoulder issues that once they get out of camp and break camp the first week, your throw count goes down and you don't get as many reps, your periods are cut shorter, you have a way of it kind of calming down a little bit in the elbow and shoulder."

Here are a few other highlights from "Flip'' on Manziel, who will likely rest for a few days and whose status is uncertain for Saturday's preseason game at Tampa Bay:

• On Manziel's development: "I think he's a new guy. I think from a preparation standpoint and a want-to standpoint haven't changed since OTAs, but I think you see a different quarterback. I really do. I think his overall understanding of the game and what we're trying to do has changed drastically. I really think that.

"He understands protections. He's making the calls. He understands his sight adjusts. He understands his hots. Twice he's had to, once got documented, we had a substitution issue the other night and he got us into a play without one being called. So you're seeing those types of growth in him which i'm very pleased with. Our mantra with him - and I talk about this with him all the time - is one day at a time, just one day at a time. Let's put practice after practice after practice together and next thing you know, you take a one day at a time attitude and you put four or five days in a row of good work in."

• On Manziel's 37-yard completion to Darius Jennings while rolling left: "That's hard to do, and for him to see that I was very pleased and Darius made a great play for us. It was great to see it. But he's definitely going through his progressions. No question.''

• On why Manziel hasn't taken any reps against first-team defenses: "I wouldn't say (we're trying to) keep it at bay. I would say again we're taking the one-day-at-a-time mentality with Johnny and letting him grow within himself.

"I don't think Josh, to be honest with you - take away the one throw that he threw deep that we already talked about - I don't think Josh has done anything to warrant the change of reps. I'm pleased with Josh right now. There's never a thing as a flawless drive, but that drive against our defense in the scrimmage and that drive against Washington was as close to flawless as you can get, and I'm pleased with where Josh is right now and I'm really pleased with the role that Johnny's in right now because he's getting better every day. He's really getting better every day.

"I mean, he's into it. Obviously he's got some magic to him, which we see when he's on the field, and I think we're comfortable with where he is in his role.''

• On why Manziel is throwing the ball better: "I think accuracy comes with knowing where to go with the football. Your body follows your eyes, it really does, in the mechanics of throwing the football. So if your eyes are in the right spot, if I'm going from here to here to here, normally your body follows with you.

"....If you have crazy eyes, and you're looking all over the field, you're not going to be an accurate quarterback, because there's a lot of moving parts on your body. So I think the No. 1 thing is, he actually knows where to look right now in terms of his progressions, in terms of his half-field reads, is it a full-field read, it is a middle-third read, he's buying into that and knowing where to go with the football.

"I made a comment in spring where Johnny needed to be more accurate, and I think that's another area of his improvement is because he knows where his eyes are.''

Good grief. Not only is he a bad QB, it now confirms he can't even throw correctly! The beat goes on...

Bernie had the same throwing motion. He was pretty accurate.

Difference is, Bernie had no athletic ability, relatively speaking, but he was cerebral. He was a smart qb. Just lining up, he knew where he was going with the ball usually before the ball was snapped. Without that ability, he would've been terrible. With that ability, and athleticism, he would've been GREAT.

Just like baseball pitchers, QBs throw from different arm angles.

Do you complain about everything?

He liked TRich a lot and pimped him big time.

He's a troll, it's kind of what he does.

Just put him on ignore and you will be a much happier message boarder.

maybe not everything. But most things, yeah he does.

Flip said this.... I won't say it's the wrong way to throw a football, because I've seen a lot of successful quarterbacks throw the ball like that.


So how do you come to the conclusion he can't throw the right way? Did you even read the article.


Your schtick is getting old. Why not try to be of some worth around here?

Haden and Pryor returned to practice.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/5-quick-hitters-from-Wednesday%E2%80%99s-Browns-practice-/b75c6b37-4372-4075-91ac-8b2db40f4981

Sweet, our best DB is back AND Sat we should find out what Pryor has got....or he'll be cut....GO Browns!!!!

heard he has been getting alot of practice with his left arm. and he has been killing the mental reps.........

Apparently Gipson was back at practice today too.

I'd guess all of these guys with minor injuries/soreness will gear it up for the dress rehearsal and then have a good 10 days off before the opener

Karma...maybe, but if Suggs known as dirty player, others will take shots at his legs...just blocking him...JMHO, I'm surprised with all the crap Suh does no one has taken his knee out...stepping on hands, etc...Go Browns!!!

I am too. I struggle with this, but, honestly, if a guy is a known cheap shot, (especially Suh), where is the "give one for the team" thing? Suh should be out of the league due to injuries he has sustained for his cheap shots. JMO. Suggs? I wouldn't blush if his knee got turned into a puree.

Causing an injury in a legal hit is one thing. Intentionally attempting to cause an injury is completely different. Payback can happen. And I feel dirty even saying that.

Manziel likely out for the rest of the preseason.

http://www.ohio.com/blogs/cleveland-brow...season-1.619447

Good. Don't ruin the elbow for no reason.

local media says out for preseason... with their track record he will probably play against TB.

Pettine said he's out for TB & Chicago.

had the problem since high school. kinda like close the barn door after the horse is gone.......

Its kind of a bummer for me ... not that I think he's going to help this year, but any snaps he gets have to benefit him (plus it makes watching the preseason more bearable)

What a freaking disaster.

yep. that about says it all.

Since this has been an ongoing issue since high school, you just have to hope this isn't an issue when and if he becomes our starter at some point in the future. If this happens when he's a starter, it could mean him missing two games. That does worry me.

In every way JFF seems to be putting in the work and studying the playbook. Kudos to him for getting his priorities straight and working towards being the player we all hoped he would be.

Yeah...........Again, I don't believe in curses, but man, as soon as JM shows signs of life, he gets shelved. It's amazing...really!

Ok,, now it's sounding more serious

there's nothing there that hadn't already been reported.
Am I missing something?