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I have never seen a poster have as much unwarranted hate for a player as you have for TT. I think you got on him early and your ego is so small that you can't admit you were wrong.
You have resorted to making up stories. Everyone else was there? Really? Please point out Moz for me.
And wouldn't it be kinda stupid for TT to attend LeBron's camp at this point in time w/his contract situation in flux? What if he got injured? What would happen to his future, then?
Do you think the Cavs would take care of him because he was working out w/LBJ?
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so....has any other team offer this guy the money he wants?
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Are you really asking, or are you just being a smart ass?
Look........I can understand why some people don't like TT as much as I do. They never played the game. LOL. Just kidding...........kinda.
Seriously, I don't really have a problem w/people not wanting to keep TT. I think they are wrong, but understand their concerns about the money. [It's hard not to be sarcastic.......I'm trying, but I really wanna say.......afterall, it is their money that is going towards TT's contract, but I won't say that.]
My point is that lead hates the guy beyond reason.
So..........answer me this.........was Moz present? If not, lead told a lie to prove his point. Are you okay w/that?
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my question has nothing to do with what lead said.
i'm asking because i too like TT, but he isn't worth a max contract. no bench player is. he isn't better than Traymond Green, who is a starter. There's other people that are better than him overall, who also start, that also haven't got max money as well.
so that's why i'm asking, who else offered him a max contract? nobody right?
he is valuable to this team, i've said that all season. i know you think you're the only one pimping the guy, but you aren't.
but he isn't worth what he's asking for. he wasn't even worth the 80 mill offer we gave him that he shot down.
could we find somebody that matches his offensive glass production? maybe not. but you know what we can find easily? somebody who shoots FT better, and has the same energy as him, and better defense.
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so....has any other team offer this guy the money he wants? No.. and yes... there is a RUMOR that Toronto has said they will pay him max money next year if he plays under his qualifying offer this year for the Cavs.
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Are you really asking, or are you just being a smart ass?
Look........I can understand why some people don't like TT as much as I do. They never played the game. LOL. Just kidding...........kinda.
Seriously, I don't really have a problem w/people not wanting to keep TT. I think they are wrong, but understand their concerns about the money. [It's hard not to be sarcastic.......I'm trying, but I really wanna say.......afterall, it is their money that is going towards TT's contract, but I won't say that.]
My point is that lead hates the guy beyond reason.
So..........answer me this.........was Moz present? If not, lead told a lie to prove his point. Are you okay w/that? I made a mistake and browsed without logging in so you were unblocked, shame on me, but since i read it I'll respond to your once more since you still can't seem to comprehend my stance on TT and love to bad mouth me about it. Mozgov wasn't there because he's recovering from a Knee surgery...everyone else was there. Regardless of his contract, he's still a cavalier player as he is a RFA. So he should have been there. He's childish and being completely unreasonable. I'm not the only one to see it that way. in fact more people agree with me that he's not anywhere near a max player than with you by a large margin. I've said all along I want to keep TT as he has a ROLE, but he's not a max player, and you don't give max deals to a guy that will never make an all star and who really isn't that big of a piece to win a championship. Does it make it easier with him, sure, is it necessary, absolutely not. Plus he's a backup..and the guy he's backing up is due for a contract next season. So you give a marginal role player a max, what do you do with the guy who starts over him? I could get into the technical reasons why he's not that good but you wouldn't understand them with your blind love for him. Things like the only reason he gets the rebounds he does, is noone pays attention to him on the offensive end, so he's free to roam, for him to be a max player he needs offense, once he develops that, and is able to actually get free to rebound with someone actually on him then I'm all for it. He's an 8/8 guy that shoots 60% free throws and anything outside of 3 feet is 99% not going in the bucket. All that being said, it comes down to money, you give TT what he wants, and you're basically on the hook for 50million this year for his contract. So TT is worth more than Lebron and jordan combined? Not hardly. Like I said there's place for him, if he's reasonable, if not, good luck getting that contract...2016 is the best year for FA in awhile, Noones going to throw max money at a bench guy, TT and Paul knows this, so they are trying to extort the cavs now. Thats what i have a problem with..The cavs made a very generous offer of 80mil...which i think is 10-15 more than he's worth. What I think will ultimately happen is he'll sign a 1 and 1 type contract like lebron did. Then next year be free to negotatiate with a higher cap. That way he can get paid more than the QO this year and there's no animosity. It also allows the cavs to save a bit of money on the luxury bill.
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Seriously, I don't really have a problem w/people not wanting to keep TT. Vers, how many times do we have to say this ... every single person here wants to keep TT. However, pretty much nobody wants to keep TT if it means we have to pay him a MAX deal. He's nowhere close to being an all-star. Max players are guys that can carry you, not role players. The only people I hear that want to give him a max deal usual follow it up with what you just said, "It's not our money". Well if that's the case, let's just give Delly a max deal too. I mean, he was just as important in the Playoffs as Tristan, and we're far thinner at PG than PF. Would you be okay with giving Delly a max? Like others have said, he's asking for 4.5 million MORE a year than what we were offering him, which was already an extremely generous offer. Multiply that by three for the luxury tax and that's 13.5 million dollars MORE for one year of role player. That's not even including the $15 million/year we're already offering him (times three).
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so....has any other team offer this guy the money he wants? No.. and yes... there is a RUMOR that Toronto has said they will pay him max money next year if he plays under his qualifying offer this year for the Cavs. I have heard that. Does the NBA not have tampering guidelines? Or does this not fall into that? Or, being the NBA, does it not matter what anyone does?
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so....has any other team offer this guy the money he wants? No.. and yes... there is a RUMOR that Toronto has said they will pay him max money next year if he plays under his qualifying offer this year for the Cavs. I have heard that. Does the NBA not have tampering guidelines? Or does this not fall into that? Or, being the NBA, does it not matter what anyone does? It is a rumor. As far as I know, the Raptors have never come out and directly said any of this. I think that a lot of what people assume could happen is because of inference, not direct statement.
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Actually, I don't think it's tampering, because TT is a Restricted Free Agent.
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I understand he is a free agent and can talk to teams, but to me "sign w CLE for a year then we'll come get you" is a little different. But maybe not.
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I understand he is a free agent and can talk to teams, but to me "sign w CLE for a year then we'll come get you" is a little different. But maybe not. Agents are agents for tampering.
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Vers, how many times do we have to say this ... every single person here wants to keep TT.
Have you read lead's posts?  Perhaps I am wrong about this, but I thought the cap was going to increase by over $22 million next year? I thought that the general line of thinking was that many guys were going to sign one-year contracts this year in order to make more money the following year? I am disappointed that TT is playing hard ball, but I get why he's doing it. Would the team be loyal to him if he wasn't a good player?
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TT playing his heart out, and helping this team win a title this year is the best way for him to get paid..
Crappy teams love signing role players on championship teams..
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Vers, how many times do we have to say this ... every single person here wants to keep TT.
Have you read lead's posts? Perhaps I am wrong about this, but I thought the cap was going to increase by over $22 million next year? I thought that the general line of thinking was that many guys were going to sign one-year contracts this year in order to make more money the following year? I am disappointed that TT is playing hard ball, but I get why he's doing it. Would the team be loyal to him if he wasn't a good player? Show me a post where I've said I didn't want to keep TT if the price was right? exactly, further proof you have no idea what you're talking about and you rather try to bash people instead of making a case..heaven forbid someone disagree with you.. back on ignore for you.. i suggest sticking to football threads, you have no idea about bball
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TT playing his heart out, and helping this team win a title this year is the best way for him to get paid..
Crappy teams love signing role players on championship teams..
Sup Larry Brown.. Yep, and along those lines you could say championship teams know which talent to take care of and which are expendable. If we do win a chip this year, next year will be interesting with mosgov's contract coming up. Assuming TT takes a Qo or what I think will happen will be a 1 and 1 like lebron giving TT some money this year and allow him to opt out
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TT playing his heart out, and helping this team win a title this year is the best way for him to get paid..
Crappy teams love signing role players on championship teams..
Sup Larry Brown.. Yep, and along those lines you could say championship teams know which talent to take care of and which are expendable. If we do win a chip this year, next year will be interesting with mosgov's contract coming up. Assuming TT takes a Qo or what I think will happen will be a 1 and 1 like lebron giving TT some money this year and allow him to opt out Lebron loves his buddies, but even he knows how much more important Moz is.
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Here is part of a recent article on the Cavs and TT. I will provide the link at the bottom of this post so you can read the entire article. I posted only this part because I think it is relevant to a conversation some of us were having earlier about the max contract and what's up w/the upcoming salary cap changes. Tristan Thompson's deal still isn't done, and LeBron's still not saying anything ... yet Dan Devine By Dan Devine 3 hours ago Ball Don't Lie  It didn't shock us too much when the Cleveland Cavaliers and Tristan Thompson didn't come to a final agreement on the five-year, $80-million contract they were discussing in the early days of free agency. After all, those were the "early days of free agency," with all kinds of time between Independence Day and the start of training camp for Cleveland brass to reach agreeable terms that would keep their 24-year-old restricted free agent power forward, fresh off a near-star-making turn in helping an injury-wracked Cavs club reach the NBA Finals for the second time in franchise history, in wine and gold for years to come. A funny thing happened on the way to adding another few dozen million in salary and luxury tax responsibilities to Dan Gilbert's running tab, though. Or, more to the point, nothing happened. It's now autumn, training camp starts next Tuesday, and there remains a yawning chasm between what Cleveland's offering and what Thompson's agent, Rich Paul of Klutch Sports Group, wants the Cavs to cough up, according to Brian Windhorst of ESPN.com: The Cavs have held firm at an offer of five years and $80 million, with Thompson looking for a max contract of $94 million over the same span, sources said. The talks have been at a virtual standstill since early July, and there isn't much optimism on either side. [...] The Cavs' position has been that they are offering a fair-market contract. The $16 million per year offer to Thompson, 24, would be in line with deals recently given to Draymond Green ($16.4 million annually) and Jonas Valanciunas ($16 million). It would be less than the $17.5 million per year that Enes Kanter, picked one spot ahead of Thompson in the 2011 draft, got from the Oklahoma City Thunder after he signed an offer sheet with the Portland Trail Blazers. Thompson's position is that he expects there to be a strong market for him next summer, when more than 20 teams are expected to have more than $20 million in salary-cap space. A young big man who hasn't missed a game in more than three seasons, Thompson believes he will get multiple offers that will average $20 million per year. You'd be forgiven for finding it kind of bonkers that Thompson — a decent but far-from-world-beating forward for his first three pro seasons bumped to the bench by the import of Kevin Love last season, a capable third big for the bulk of the Cavs' run to the East's No. 2 seed, but a murderous offensive rebounder and better-than-expected defender who helped key Cleveland's Finals push after Love's season-ending shoulder injury — would A) turn down $80 million and B) expect to draw even richer offers next year. But when you consider the context — the cap spiking to $89 million next summer thanks to the influx of revenue from the league's new $24 billion broadcast rights deal, which will leave some two-thirds of the league flush with cash and relatively few young, top-flight targets worth spending it all on — it doesn't seem quite so crazy, which is why Thompson's holding fast ... and why the Cavs might want to act fast. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-d...-205801218.html
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Per ESPN, Thompson returning to the Cavs. 3 Years, 53m.
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Per ESPN, Thompson returning to the Cavs. 3 Years, 53m. Probably a good deal for both sides. Thompson gets what .... $17.6 million/year, and can do the free agent thing in 3 years, and the Cavaliers are not hopelessly buried if he doesn't perform like they hope he will.
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Per ESPN, Thompson returning to the Cavs. 3 Years, 53m. Probably a good deal for both sides. Thompson gets what .... $17.6 million/year, and can do the free agent thing in 3 years, and the Cavaliers are not hopelessly buried if he doesn't perform like they hope he will. yup, although Jason Lloyd (ABJ) is tweeting out that this report is false and the Cavs have no interest in a 3 year deal at that amount. I'm currently watching ESPN report the deal live on TV right now though. If it's true I hope that keeps Thompson motivated to develop a better offensive game, and in 3 years the Cavs would have no problem resigning TT.
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Yup, no deal. Chris Broussard is so bad at his job.
He's now saying that Thompson is willing to sign for 3 years.
Just wow.
And for all those who rag on twitter, this was reported on ESPN, so he had them fooled too. It's not a social media thing, it's a terrible job by a professional thing.
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Yup, no deal. Chris Broussard is so bad at his job.
He's now saying that Thompson is willing to sign for 3 years.
Just wow.
And for all those who rag on twitter, this was reported on ESPN, so he had them fooled too. It's not a social media thing, it's a terrible job by a professional thing. Wow. 
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Yup, no deal. Chris Broussard is so bad at his job.
He's now saying that Thompson is willing to sign for 3 years.
Just wow.
And for all those who rag on twitter, this was reported on ESPN, so he had them fooled too. It's not a social media thing, it's a terrible job by a professional thing. Wow. Nice reporting.....I was watching Paul Finebaum and saw that he signed come across the bottom of the screen. Really isn't breaking news when the news isn't true. Maybe they should start a Breaking Rumors segment on the bottom of the screen now.
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Hasn't Bousard been wrong a lot recently?
Man, I was very happy when I heard the news.
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Breaking: Candyman is WILLING to sign for 3 years, $1 million.
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Wouldn't we all be willing to take 3 years 53 million...sounds to me like Paul realizes the Cavs have called his bluff..desperation mode now.. Paul is the new Drew Rosenhaus. That basically is 1 million cheaper than what they originally sought..huge compromise  Pretty sure the cavs have no problem giving him 5 years at probably 14-16million range, not sure why the 3 year thing is a issue..Best thing for both sides I think is a 1 and 1 like lebron signs. Running out of time now.
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Hasn't Bousard been wrong a lot recently?
Man, I was very happy when I heard the news.
Oh well.......... This is the first time I've seen him file something erroneous.. but anyone who follows him or at least follows NBA fans knows how horrible he is with his tweets about what he's hearing from his sources. You can kinda get away with what he's done beore, because it's hearsay, but he totally messed up today. I'm not a huge fan of Adam Schefter, but he doesn't pull this kind of stuff, and any time you see a tweet of his start with "filed to ESPN" you may as well take it to the bank. These guys can all take a lesson from Jay Glazer. He's the best sports reporter in the world. No garbage, just straight NFL info. Woj is pretty good, but even he was getting called out by Deadspin for making the Bennett pick look like this historical stretch (did he have something against Chris Grant?)
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Kinda off topic, but I heard a rumor awhile back that ESPN is in serious financial trouble, partly because of the SEC Network and overspending for the NBA. They overspent and it's backfiring pretty bad. Now you have people not wanting to pay for cable. They're letting a lot of guys go because of it. There's no way Broussard gets his next contract extended.
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Kinda off topic, but I heard a rumor awhile back that ESPN is in serious financial trouble, partly because of the SEC Network and overspending for the NBA. They overspent and it's backfiring pretty bad. Now you have people not wanting to pay for cable. They're letting a lot of guys go because of it. There's no way Broussard gets his next contract extended.
Yup. It's one the reasons more expensive talent like Cowherd and Simmons was allowed to leave.
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Kinda off topic, but I heard a rumor awhile back that ESPN is in serious financial trouble, partly because of the SEC Network and overspending for the NBA. They overspent and it's backfiring pretty bad. Now you have people not wanting to pay for cable. They're letting a lot of guys go because of it. There's no way Broussard gets his next contract extended.
Yup. It's one the reasons more expensive talent like Cowherd and Simmons was allowed to leave. Winner, winner, chicken dinner! ESPN is just using the excuse of them saying something controversial to hide the impending asteroid heading their way.
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