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Right. I've been saying this whole time that everyone has a part in the RGIII disaster (some bigger than others). But Jay Gruden has mishandled pretty much every public decision has had as the head coach of Washington.

how?

it seems like he doesn't really have any control over the RG3 situation. it's like the guy wants to make a decision that best suits the team, but synder keeps overriding that.

Just Google it. "Jay Gruden confused." Snyder is the worst owner in sports now that Sterling is gone, but he doesn't control the stupid stuff Gruden says and does.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/re...574b_story.html

-Ouch!

Former Redskins Star LaVar Arrington on Where Robert Griffin III Can Find Success: "A Different Profession"

http://news.yahoo.com/former-redskins-star-lavar-arrington-162736665.html

By Chris Yuscavage

It's been a tough week for Robert Griffin III hasn't it? On Monday, he lost the Redskins' starting quarterback job to Kirk Cousins. On Tuesday, he got ripped after he blamed a social media intern for "liking" an anti-Redskins post on his Instagram. And then, former Redskins star LaVar Arrington made an appearance on Sportsnet 590 The Fan to talk bout RGIII's struggles with Washington and revealed where he thinks the oft-criticized QB will be able to find success.

"A different profession," he said. "For me, I look at it like this: Once you've damaged somebody the way he's damaged right now, I just think that it will be a longshot for him to turn out to be what he was and what people expected and anticipated him to be [after his first season with the Redskins]. When he was drafted, his rookie year, they ran a lot of Wildcat and that read-option did very well. And if you notice, it's not just Robert Griffin III that's struggled. It's guys like [Colin] Kaepernick as well. When you break down Robert's film, it's just very simple to see the things that are really, really not good."

Arrington doesn't put all of the blame on RGIII, though. In fact, he puts a lot of it on the Redskins organization. He doesn't think RGIII has been coached properly and, in general, he thinks Washington is where good NFL players go to get zapped of their powers.

"They've been a mess for a long time and it doesn't look like it's going to get any better this year," he said, before explaining that he thinks he was hurt by playing for the Redskins. "Every year that the Hall of Fame inductees go in and I watch it, I just sit there and I think about, I gave my best years to dysfunction. It just kind of bothers me a little bit…because it's like if you had the structure in place to have success, my track record kind of speaks for itself. Guys that have come in there, Robert Griffin III, guys that have been there, their track records speak for themselves. How does a guy go from being special on every level, and then they come to the Redskins and it's gone? The magic is gone. I can't explain it. It's almost a weird phenomenon, and I hate that I'm a statistic of that weird phenomenon."

Whatever it is, one thing is clear: It's time for RGIII to move on to a new destination. Let's hope this is the last tough week he suffers in a Redskins uniform.

He'll get a look somewhere but I just don't want to see him in Cleveland. He is damaged goods and not sure he can be fixed. Plus he seems to be a large head case as well IMO. No thanks, I'll pass

I see no way that we don't take one QB next year. Now whether he would be the answer or not...who knows.

Let's get through this year before we start talking about next year.

Pass on the Trey. Blimp head. Injuries. Not something I would want to build around personally.

J/C
As long as QB acquisition is not reactive then I'm OK. If there's been real consideration for how a guy like Griffin can be developed and how he would fit on this team in this offense then claim him. If its knee-jerk then, no.

Sitting in a fan's seat I don't know if I can tell which of the above scenarios would be the impetus for adding him to the Browns. The monetary deal would likely tell the story. He'd have to come in without a significant cap hit.

Where he needs to develop seems very similar to Manziel as does the strengths he brings to the table. Does it make sense to have two QBs who needs the same improvement? Especially when the starter is a short-term solution himself. More questions than answers...

Robert Griffin III practiced with scout team defense at safety

The Redskins will open their season against the Dolphins with Kirk Cousins as their starting quarterback - and team sources said Saturday that Colt McCoy will back him up.

That decision makes sense for plenty of reasons, especially since Robert Griffin III was not cleared to participate in contact drills until Friday after suffering a concussion three weeks ago. But so many other questions remain unanswered beyond today's depth chart.

Most notably: Why are the Redskins keeping Griffin on the roster?

That question became especially difficult to answer this week based on occurrences during practices when Griffin, according to multiple team sources, was running with the scout team defense as a safety. Yes ... a safety.

It is also intriguing since the team has recently reconsidered the original notion that they would list Griffin as the backup once fully healthy for the entire week leading up to Week 2, a team source said. More likely now, Griffin will be the third-string quarterback.

It is not unprecedented for a third-team quarterback to handle such a duty during practice, which was the case as recently as Wednesday when Cowboys quarterback Jameill Showers served as a scout team free safety in Dallas' practice.

But for a player who was selected second overall in 2012 - and declared the starting quarterback by the head coach as recently as a few months ago - this is no doubt a peculiar decision. It is peculiar, however, for more than superficial and ego-driven reasons.

If Griffin had suffered an injury while playing safety, the team would be forced to pay him his $16.2 million salary for 2016. Even if Griffin is willing to handle such responsibilities, it begs the question why the Redskins would take such a gamble.

Team sources, however, contend they are keeping Griffin on the roster because of the financial investment they've already made in him for 2015, noting it's impossible to know what turn of events could make him a valuable asset for the Redskins this season.

In the meantime, it seems extremely improbable that Griffin will see the field during a game any time soon.

In addition to the team's decision to list McCoy as the backup today (that was a foregone conclusion for more than a week since the team didn't know when or if Griffin would be available), the Redskins have also reconsidered what they will do with him in the future.

Originally, when it was ultimately decided that Washington would keep Griffin on its 53-man roster, one team source said the Redskins would use Griffin as the backup quarterback after Week 1. But more conversations and deliberations have since led to another possibility.

The same team source says Griffin is now more likely to be listed as the third-string quarterback moving forward. That's because, if Cousins needed to come out of the game, the Redskins would want more time to evaluate whether Griffin would be put in harm's way by entering the game potentially costing the team his 2016 salary if he were hurt.

It makes sense. And to many, it seemed only logical that the Redskins would not want to take the chance of Griffin getting hurt and costing them money. But that also still leads to the bigger question: In that case, what's the point in keeping Griffin at all?

The best reasonable explanation could be a potential hope for a trade, something team sources would not confirm or validate. That's something that seems unlikely since no team would want to take on those very risks involved with Griffin's 2016 injury guarantees. And Griffin seemingly would block any trade by refusing to renegotiate that portion of the deal.

In past instances where a team tried to put a player on the shelf to protect from having to pay him in the case of injury, it has led to grievances. That was the case in 2007 when Daunte Culpepper was not allowed to participate in team drills after the team traded for Trent Green.

Culpepper filed a grievance for breach of contract -- and he ultimately forced his release.

That could be difficult for Griffin to do, however, since he is not technically being held out of drills. By playing scout team safety, for instance, he is serving in a role that's exactly the same as Showers in Dallas -- which by no means is against any rules.

Both publicly and privately, the Redskins are not discussing whether there is an underlying strategy, even if it's hard to imagine all of this is happening without a plan or a purpose in place. Instead, they are simply saying that Griffin remains a part of the team.

So there's really only one question that still needs to be answered: Why?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...fense-at-safety

Maybe the only way to teach him to read a defense is to get him out there playing defense.

well..... that is one way to look at it.

its honestly the only thing i could come up with lol

Lmfao, safety? Washington has no clue what they're doing.

Cousins looks so poor right now.

Legit question here guys, does Gruden make it to the end of the season without getting axed? Washington is a big puddle of messy crap.

Or is this a tale of two Cousins? They put up a graphic last night at the beginning of the game or right before that showed him last week hitting on 24 of 27 passes.

Gruden is toast either way. They are a mess because their owner is one of the worst in all of sports.

https://twitter.com/LeBatardShow/status/647490489957130240

So, this will be staff number two that RGIII has run out of town.

The Shannahan's were successful BEFORE RGIII and Gruden was successful in Cin-tucky.

Young Shanny got two jobs w/out having too wait very long for either. I bet Gruden does, too.

But it was all their fault and poor, poor RGIII [whose teammates and coaches can't stand him] was the victim by two separate coaching staffs.....

Yeah........right...

How can he run them out of town while sitting on the bench? The coaching staff in DC made a decision to start the backup over RG3. They further made the decision to make Colt McCoy the backup. Coaching staffs live and die with the decisions they make, and this staff may die based on the fact that the head coach and QB cannot get along. (and no matter whose fault it is, it's always the coach's fault, and we both know that)

And the head coach is a horrible head coach.

I happen to agree with that, but even if he was not, the way he has (mis) handled this whole situation would be enough to show him the door if/when it all blows up in his face.

RG3 threw 36 TD passes and 17 INT in his 1st 2 seasons, but did seem to regress in year 2. He ran for 800 yards as a rookie, and almost 500 as a sophomore.

Then came Gruden, and he changed the offense 100%, and in 9 games under Gruden, RG3 had 4 TD passes, 6 INT, and ran for 176 yards. It is obvious that he had problems in Gruden's offense. Now I don't know how things were handles internally, but there is a similar situation going on in Denver, where the coach is trying to hammer Peyton Manning's square peg into a round hold. However, there is a thought that the Denver coach may be backing off somewhat, to allow Manning to do the things that he does better than anyone else. We'll see.

Last year, there were a lot of people who went nuts for Cousins, and after a somewhat quick start, he proceeded to finish up rather poorly. The trend certainly looks similar this year. When a head coach has a young QB, considered by many to be a franchise guy, (and who appeared to be on that track before the coach showed up)and manages to completely alienate him, he becomes open to all kinds of criticism, (and being fired) even if the problems are not all on his side. Add in that Gruden was hired to develop RG3 ..... and it just adds to the likelihood that he will not survive the season.

I know you won't agree with me Ytown given how much you beat on McCoy when he was here, but he's really the best QB on that team...

Griffin is the most talented QB they have, hands down.

He's just.. broken.. probably for good..

Cousins had one good game his entire career, against us, which means we should trade for him obviously..

McCoy has looked a lot better, I think his throwing is better, I think he just got fully healthy arm wise from that NC injury..

Regardless.. they all suck.

Is this a serious comment or are you trying to be funny? The rest of your post seems like you are serious, but that initial sentence is hysterical.

He would run them out of town because he is NOT playing and the owner WANTS him to play.

Two coaching staffs have been at odds w/RGIII.

His teammates can't stand him.

Former teammates rip him a new one---publically.

He has sucked since his rookie year.

And people like you still wanna blame the coaching staffs. I actually give Gruden credit for not caving in and playing the best player. Kinda like [according to you and many others] Pet is doing w/McCown/Manziel.

It's interesting how our guy is great for doing the same thing another coach is doing and that latter is a jerk.

This makes it seem like it is the fault of the owner and not RGIII.

Believe it or not, this is how a lot of teams conduct their off season business.

Cousins sucks. I don't see how he can possibly be better than RGIII

Yeah Cousins Oline blocked pretty well on alot of plays I watched Thursday night...Yet cousins was missing open and wide open targets much of the night...Heck Colt is probably better than Cousins...I thought RG3 looked really good when we basically scrimmaged against him in the preseason... Then again RG3 has zero pocket awareness

My point is that any problem between coach and superstar player is the fault of the coach in the end. Almost always,the coach takes the fall for such problems, whether you, I, or anyone else thinks it's fair, or not. In the case of the Redskins, Gruden was hired to develop RG3 beyond what he showed in his 1st 2 seasons. Instead, RG3 regressed badly. That relationship is broken, likely beyond all repair. Gruden is irrevocably tied to Cousins, or maybe, as a panic move, McCoy. He made that decision, so if it does not work, it will almost certainly be his downfall.

It does not matter what problems the 1st regime had. Gruden was hired to fix problems, and it appears that he has failed.

My point is that two successful coaches have soured on RGIII. His teammates can't stand him. Former teammates rip him. It's been documented that he has went to the owner to complain.

What makes you think that switching coaches will make him a better player. I would say that RGIII needs to be held accountable for his immaturity and lack of understanding regarding NFL defenses.

I realize that he was a media darling and so many fans were ga-ga over him, but the guy is causing his own problems and blaming someone else will not make those issues disappear.

Gruden has never beed a head coach before.

Anyway, my point was not to argue the merits of RG3, just to say that the coach made a decision to bench a former high draft pick, and if it doesn't work, he is probably toast as a result.

Also, wasn't Gruden Cincy's offensive coordinator before going to the Redskins? Isn't it ironic that Dalton is off to his best start ever without Gruden in the picture? (66% of his passes, 8 TD, 1 INT)

Maybe Gruden is part of the problem, rather than part of the solution? Just asking the question.

Gruden was gone last year too. He is a dunce though. He got the Washington job based off of one year of success.

You try way too hard! Why not just go w/the truth instead of constantly manipulating it?

Gruden got the Washington job BECAUSE he had success in Cincinnati. I yi yi yi.

All I am saying is that one year after he left, Dalton is off to his best start ever as a QB. I don't know why that is anything but an observation.

Do you think that Gruden has done a good job so far in DC?

The defense is improved, and improving. I suppose that's not all that surprising given that Jim Haslett is his DC.However, the thing that Gruden was hired t fix, the QB/offense, is a train wreck.

I suspect that Gruden will make it to about week 8 or 9, and then Haslett will be promoted to interim head coach when Gruden is fired. Then RG3 will come back into the good graces of the team, and will return to the field, and will have a decent end of the season.

That's my guess, anyway.