DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum McCoy, Cousins continue to out-play RG3

You probably should have did some research before you made that post.

Yes, Dalton is off to a fast start this year, but:

Dalton's QB Rating went down last year from his two previous years when Gruden was there.

Dalton's TD percentage decreased last year from the two previous years when Gruden was there.

Dalton's Interception percentage increased from the two previous years when Gruden was there.

Dalton's passing yards decreased from the two previous years when Gruden was there. In fact, he threw for almost 1,000 yards less last year than he did in his last year w/Gruden.

The Skins got rid of Shannahan because he --and his son--were too tough on RGIII. The latter went to the owner and complained about it.

The Skins brought in Gruden for two reasons. The first is that he was improving Dalton's play. The second is that Gruden was known to be a That's from a Michael Silver article. The one criticism Gruden got in Cincinnatti was that he was not tough enough on Dalton and that he was always positive and upbeat.

Now, some of you are trying to paint him as this jerk who is being too hard on RGIII.

The problem has not been w/the Shannahans or w/Gruden. The problem is that RGIII is a spoiled brat that does not read defenses and coverages very well and spent more time reading his press clippings than the preparing for his opponent.

Yes, last year Dalton was down, and he has now learned his new coordinator's offense and is off to his best start ever.

DC is a wreck, and where they once felt that they had 3 capable QBs, now they have nothing.

I am going to say that Gruden does not make it through this season. I suspect that by week 8-10 he is fired, and when the DC takes over, he slides RG3 back into the starting role, and they win a few games.

What do you think will happen?

I keep forgetting that QB's in their first few seasons are a finished product. I keep forgetting that QB's aren't expected to get better over time.

Or maybe it's you that's forgetting?

To which one are you referring?

Career Numbers: (I purposely left out rushing stats to avoid an ugly discussion)

Kirk Cousins: 17 games, 314/514 (61.1%), 3,745 yards, 21 TDs, 23 INT, 6 FUM
Robert Griffin III: 37 games, 679/1,063 (63.9%), 8,097 yards, 40 TDs, 23 INT, 14 FUM


Per Game Numbers:

Cousins: 18.5/30.2 (61.1%), 220 yards, 1.2 TDs, 1.4 INT, 0.4 FUM
Griffin: 18.4/28.7 (63.9%), 219 yards, 1.1 TDs, 0.6 INT, 0.4 FUM


Now Washington can "win," lol.

The one that Gruden developed.

Insecure?

You could have just said: "thanks for the information, Vers." But no, you had to change the argument.

What do I think will happen? The same thing I thought would happen long ago. Another coach is going to get axed because of RGIII. I clearly stated that much earlier in the thread. You know.........that was a MONTH ago.

steve, RGIII had an awesome rookie year. His states were great. However, he has been horrid since that rookie year.

I think there are reasons for that:

--Defenses figured him out and he has been inept at reading coverages.

--His pre-snap reads have also been poor, but his post snap reads have been embarrassing.

--He lost the ability to run and that has really hurt his game.

--He hasn't put the work in.

--He has alienated his coaches and teammates.

Forgot one:

--Coach ran him into the ground for the sake of own success.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/robert-griffin-iii-injured-is-redskins-coach-mike-shanahan-to-blame/

And also:

--Front office and upper management there in Washington is a big fat joke...

Just wanted to make it clear, I am not denying the above facts are true. Just trying to tell the whole story.

I realize that Snyder is a jerk. That's a huge problem. He ran Marty out of town after Marty won something like 7 out of his last 8 games and then replaced him w/Spurrier. Spurrier comes out this week and says Snyder wouldn't let him choose who to play at qb when he was in Washington.

I'm not defending Washington. I am just saying that it seemed like more people were blaming the coaching staffs rather than RGIII for his issues. I do not agree w/that line of thinking. That's it.

At the end of the day, who is it up to? Is it up to the coach to coach up an uncoachable player, or is it up to the player to buy into what the coach is saying?

This reaches into our classrooms, and I always wonder "Does the student just need to buy into it?" or "Do I need to mix it up to read my kids?". I think the answer rests somewhere in the middle.

You and I, along with YTown, were/are some of the biggest proponents of Mangini's coaching. Let's ignore him acting as the general manager, but everyone toasted Mangini while a solid few of us supported what he stood for. But, we were stretched thin with actual playmakers, and stuck with journeymen who amounted to average at best on their best day.

Then you have Shurmur, err rather Holmgren's lackey. Did our players just suck that much, or was the whole west coast scheme ill-suited?

I don't want to get into the Mangini thing....because the pack is always lurking....LOL.....but, I am not really saying Gruden is a good coach. I don't know if he is or isn't.

My only point is that I don't think changing coaches is going to "fix" RGIII. I have been wrong before and I will be again, but I think the problems I listed are real.

I just find it odd that many folks said the Shannahans were too tough on RGIII, so Snyder hires a guy who was said to be "too easy" on Dalton and who was always positive and upbeat and all the coaches soured on RGIII.

I think Gruden has to know his fate is sealed by not playing RGIII. The latter has gone to Snyder before to complain about the coaches and RGIII is Snyder's guy. He's probably won a lot of respect in the locker room by having the guts to bench RGIII despite knowing that it will almost certainly cost him his job. I don't know how smart that is, but that fact alone tells me how bad RGIII really is.

That is why I said he is a coach killer at the beginning of this thread. I know his great collegiate career and his rookie season are tempting, besides he just looks "pretty" when he drops back and slings the ball downfield, but he has alienated both his coaches and teammates and has never learned how to properly read defenses and coverages. And going to the owner over how "mean" the coaches are is pretty freaking lame.