Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
There is ZERO reason to consider natural immunity since we have a super effective vaccine to SAVE LIVES.
Not true... at least not in the rest of the world. In the US we are pushing a narrative that holds NO water with any studies done on the rest of the planet.

Dutch study with 26,000 healthcare workers? Sweep the results under the rug. Numerous studies overseas have shown that antibodies continue to evolve and be much more effective at fighting variants -- even after a year. Hell, there is even proof out there that original SARS infected have a very strong immune response to cousin Covid, 18 years later.

Newest Israeli study? 32,000 people shows 13-fold increased risk of infection among vaccinated individuals compared to previously infected.

So how does our CDC quiet all of this "chatter" and get people back in line? With a much smaller study... and a few key caveats.
* Only study people who have been vaccinated within six months.
* Only compare them with previously infected who were hospitalized from the illness.

Seems like a fair way to compare the long-term effects of natural immunity, right?

Right?

I'd seriously like anyone to keep a straight face and say they believe that is a "fair study".

You know what's funny? (Not really) Any references to these *other* studies seem to be very hard to find on the web... but the CDC story promising vaccination is 5.49 times more effective is splattered in headlines everywhere for the last two weeks. Much the same way all of the charts and graphs have disappeared from all the search engines now that the numbers are plummeting. Plummeting everywhere, at about the same rate... even in countries where vaccination is well under 20%. Doesn't fit the narrative.

So, apparently Covid pierces the vaccination wall at a much higher rate than natural immunity... everywhere in the world except the U.S.?

And that pretty much sums things up. Covid has gone from pandemic to narrative.

This is all great information, and it could easily lead to a time when we can stop pushing the vaccines. A time when people aren't dying needlessly of covid over political differences would be the time to consider all of this, do more research and verify these studies under peer review... but getting the shot into everyone that can be vaccinated in our country should be high priority for every patriotic adult American, period. Stop the needless deaths, learn more with study, devise a plan going forward... but that's too hard for half the country. And I'll believe the pandemic to narrative bit when my friends and family quit dying from it.