Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Unless of course you think it does? Which has been my overriding point all along which thus far you haven't seemed to address. .

My perspective on Baker was spelt out and is crystal clear. You either forgot, didn't read what I wrote or choose to be argumentative.

Originally Posted by mgh888
I've said elsewhere - I think "the real" Baker is who we saw last year in the final 9 or 10 games of the season when PFF graded him the 3rd best (?) QB in the NFL over that stretch. I think we saw flashes of immense arm talent in his rookie year. I think he still has that. I think the periods he has played bad there have been significant things influencing his play in addition to Baker's own mental and physical struggles - Kitchens year. KS introduction and retooling few games last year. This year with a torn Labarum .... Guys that complete 20 or 21 passes in a row to comeback and win a game in the NFL. do not do it by accident, and there is more to the team's struggles than the QB.

I think there is a lot more wrong with the team than just Baker at the moment. I think Baker's injury is hurting his performance. . .


I know you scoffed at that and poo-poo'd the idea that he could play "great" vs the Bengals and then use the injury as part of why he played poorly vs the Pats ... but remind me again how many completitions he made in the Bengals game? Remind me - how did the 'team' look vs the Bengals and how did they look vs the Pats? . . . was Baker the stand out difference in those two games? Or was he one of 22 that looked different from one game to the next?

It's not hard. I look at Baker at his best and believe that over that extended period of time (and first two games this season) is not a fluke and it is indicative of his ability. Others seem to look at Baker's worst periods of play and define him by those. Others decide that when the Defense gives up points to lose a game in the last 60 seconds of a game, or give up 47 points to the reigning AFC champs, that it's Baker choking or not 'strapping the team on his back' ... People pick a perspective and stick with it. Some of those perspectives are most clearly predetermined by his flag planting or his "arrogance". I prefer to keep it to what he's done in a Brown's jersey and his taking a 1-31, strapping it onhis back and turning us into a winning team.