Originally Posted by Rishuz
First and foremost, the Browns are a poor organization with a defeatist culture.

Second, the Browns are a really poorly coached team with a bottom 5 head coach and staff with a couple of outlier position coaches.

Number 1 leads to Number 2. It's really hard imagining a scenario where the Browns ever achieve consistent success as long as the Haslams are the owners. Depo is also a big problem. His fingerprints are all over this team. But that again goes back to Haslam for allowing it.

9, 6, and 5 years into Bitonio's, Garrett’s, and Chubb's careers ...flagship players at their positions...and they've got one playoff appearance to show for.it. That's a travesty. If Haslam moves forward with Stefanski next season he his giving his approval that incompetence is accepted. I fully expect Stefanski to be the coach next year.

And if or when Haslam fires Stefanski, you're right back to Haslam, who is completely inept, ultimately responsible for hiring the next HC with J-Dubs riding shotgun. Neither of which have a clue or have identified what exactly they want and expect in a HC or FO. It's throwing darts at a dartboard.

Allow me to lay out the next few years for you knowing this franchise. tongue

If Stefanski is retained:

2023: After a slow start, Stefanski is fired, an interim HC takes over and we have another lost season.
2024: It's a new HC and new scheme that the offense and defense have to learn. This will take some time. Another season wasted.
2025: Watson isn't Superman!, We don't have Cooper anymore, Chubb is gone, Myles Garrett is 30 now and Joel Bitonio a shell of himself at age 34.

If Stefanski is fired:

2023: It's a new HC and new scheme that the offense and defense have to learn. This will take some time. Another season wasted.
2024: We've got a new GM after Berry and company were fired. The new GM needs time to bring in his guys and we don't even have a first round pick.
2025: Watson isn't Superman!, We don't have Cooper anymore, Chubb is gone, Myles Garrett is 30 now and Joel Bitonio a shell of himself at age 34.

Fingers crossed success is somehow stumbled upon!