Originally Posted by Bull_Dawg
We were 11-5 and 8-9 the seasons before we signed him, so get your facts straight on your "2 consecutive losing seasons" and take your Chubb slander elsewhere. If Baker hadn't played like hot garbage, we wouldn't have had a losing record either season and even considered looking for a QB.

I'm not sure what team you have been watching but 11-5 in 2020, 8-9 in 2021, and 7-10 in 2022 is 2 consecutive losing seasons with Stefanski at the helm. Not only that but 1 of those seasons the Browns tied for last place in the division and the other held last place all their own.

Let's see now, Stefanski gets a pass for 2021 because he didn't have the balls to pull his QB who was definitely playing injured for 15 weeks of the season, and it effected his play, but you say the player was hot garbage and the reason for the failed season. Never mind that in addition to his own injury, that hot garbage QB lost his RT Conklin for 10 games due to injury, Chubb for 3 games due to injury, Hunt for 9 games due to injury, #2 WR Landry for 5 games due to injury who admittedly stated he was never close to 100% that season, and his #1 WR Beckham for 11 games because his feelings got hurt. None of that mattered as to a reason why the QB was hot garbage as you say and surely not a Stefanski issue.

Fast forward to 2022 and Stefanski gets another pass on a failed season because he didn't have his 230M QB for 11 games and the defense sucked to high heaven. Never mind that Stefanski had the 2 worst DT's in the game and they were actually replacements for the 2 worst DT's in the league in 2021. Never mind that the backup QB had a career year finishing in the top 10 before he was replaced by Watson. Never mind that in 2022, Chubb missed 0 games, Hunt 0 games, Cooper 0 games, DPJ 0 games and Conklin only 3 games yet the Browns posted a poorer record than the previous season and no fault of Stefanski. Keep in mind though that BAL went 10-7 last year after being forced to use their backup QB for 6 games. The Steelers went 9-8 with a rookie QB. The 49ers went 13-4 with a rookie 3rd string QB going 7-0 that season. But hey, Stefanski had to use a backup QB so the Browns didn't win - NOT HIS FAULT.

Now we're into 2023 and the Stefanski excuses are flying again. Can't blame the defense or a backup QB so let's place the blame on the OL not playing well and injuries. The Browns lost Chubb, so we are doomed (didn't work as a valid excuse in 2021 but what the hell). Oh no, Conklin's out for the season - we are doomed (again, this injured player had no bearing on the 2021 season when he was also injured). Can't be Stefanski's fault, let's blame Callahan for the OL poor play. Never mind that we lost to BAL who had already lost their starting LT and starting RB. Never mind losing to a PIT team that had lost their starting LT, #1 WR, and starting DT. Those teams can overcome adversity, but our Browns can't, but it has nothing to do with Stefanski.

You can't make some of this stuff up, but we have fans justifying the team's poor start with excuses for the offenses poor play in a game we actually won for bad weather with all our players in place.

The Browns have a revamped WR room. A new DC with a revamped defense. We have our 230M QB in place. The Browns have spent more money (by a longshot) than any other team in the NFL this season yet after almost 25% of the season gone, the Browns don't look any better than 2021 or 2022 and we're blaming it on anyone or anything other than the HC Stefanski. You just can't make this stuff up - only in Cleveland.