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#2079916 09/05/2024 3:55 AM
by OCD
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#2079920 Sep 5th a 07:01 AM
by mgh888
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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-accuse-russia-effort-influence-2024-election-cnn-2024-09-04/

I'm always skeptical of youtube shorts of political commentators I have never heard of. Here's the reuters story covering the same thing.

As for the thread title - collusion is the wrong word ... this is Russian Meddling. Collusion would imply Trump is a party to this. Sure the meddling is intended to have Trump elected - but that isn't collusion.
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#2079989 Sep 5th a 05:10 PM
by dawglover05
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You're spot on about the Russian dynamic. Nothing irks Putin more than the fact Russia collapsed. He is older now and I think he is realizing he needs to move more urgently to achieve what was his goal. I think he expected Ukraine to go a lot more smoothly, honestly, but I think that was driven by misinformation given to him by his own people, for the purpose of appeasing him. The dude honestly expected to be greeted with flower. Oops...

But yes, Russia LOVES driving chaos. It's very easy to do and Western, Democratic-based countries are much more vulnerable to it than places like China, obviously. They also love to hack. They hacked the Clinton campaign, obviously, and then I think made some attempts at hacking those on the right. I want to say Marco Rubio's. But a couple points really stood out to me and continue to stand out, and those points are these:

1. Several associates of the Trump campaign met with Russia. That includes Papadapoulos (pled guilty), Trump (April 2016), Sessions (April 2016) and Kushner (April 2016), Junior, Manafort and Flynn (who lied and then was found guilty, and then pardoned).

2. The Russians (to my knowledge) never released anything damaging on Trump, and never attempted to damage his campaign.

3. Trump has never spoken poorly of Vladimir Putin, and publicly sided with him over the NSA on live television.

Those are the main points. There are a host of other small points that, when you aggregate everything together, paints a really awful picture.
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